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|Oct-09-09|| ||ounos: Unless I'm missing something, 13. h3 seems more solid defense. After g3 Qf7 and e5, black position springs with life.|
|Oct-09-09|| ||Atking: <ounos> That's the reason I gave the game of Naoko san. 13.h3 Bh2+ 14.Kf1 Nxf2 15.KxNf2 Qg3+|
|Jul-20-13|| ||Doniez: Too difficult for me. The final sequence is a good example of how to combine most pieces to grind the king move after move.|
|Jul-20-13|| ||diagonalley: managed to get the first three moves, but didn't see 21.... Q-N6. the exchange sacrifice to kick off with was fairly intuitive though|
|Jul-20-13|| ||Dionysius1: It's nice that 22 Qe1 doesn't work.|
|Jul-20-13|| ||M.Hassan: "Very Difficult"
Black to play 18...?
Black is a pawn down.
19.Rxf2 Rxf4 to open the g file
22.Rg2 Bh3 Bishop pinns the Rook
Queen does not want to loose the long diagonal, that's why did not capture the black Bishop on c5.
Black's win is obvious.
|Jul-20-13|| ||dick50: Exploiting Traffic white jam on f file, Black creates a freeway on g file to corner stranded King. So Rxf4 followed by Nxf2|
|Jul-20-13|| ||newzild: <M.Hassan> In your line, instead of 24...Nxd4?, Black wins immediately with 24...Bxd4.|
|Jul-20-13|| ||newzild: I found this puzzle to be quite easy for a Saturday. However, I went for an alternative move order with 18. Nxf2 first, before saccing on f5.|
|Jul-20-13|| ||agb2002: Black is one pawn down.
Black can further weaken the white castle with 18... Rxf4 19.gxf4 Nxf2:
A) 20.Rxf2 Qg4+
A.1) 21.Kf1 Qg3 (with the multiple threat Qxf2#, Bxf2, Bh3+, etc.; 21... Qh3+ looks also winning) 22.Rg2 (22.Rh2 Bh3+ 23.Rxh3 Qf2#) 22... Bh3 23.Qxd5+ Kh8 24.Nd4 (24.Qxc5 Bxg2+ 25.Kg1 Bh3+ 26.Kh1 Qg2#) 24... Bxd4 with threats like Qf2#, Rf8, Qh2 looks winning.
A.2) 21.Kh1(2) Bxf2 recovers material and keeps the attack.
B) 20.Qb3 Qg4+ 21.Kh2 Qh3+ 22.Kg1 Qh1#.
|Jul-20-13|| ||morfishine: Mate at g2
18...Rxf4 19.gxf4 Nxf2 20.Rxf2 Qg4+ 21.Kf1 Bxf2 22.Kxf2 Rf8 23.Qd2 d4
24.Nxd4 Rxf4+ 25.Nf3 Qxh4+ 26.Kf1 Bh3+ 27.Kg1 Qg3+ 28.Kh1 Qg2#
PM: As scary as it looks, 22.Rh2 looks to be a better defense
|Jul-20-13|| ||inmate5: <morfishine: 22.Rh2 looks to be a better defense> That doesn't help either: 22...Bh3+ 23. Rxh3 Qf2++|
|Jul-20-13|| ||morfishine: <inmate5> Ouch, that was a silly idea :)|
|Jul-20-13|| ||kevin86: The rook sac causes a quick breakthrough!|
|Jul-20-13|| ||Patriot: 18...Rxf4 looks devastating.
19.gxf4 Ne3 20.Qd2 Qg4+
19.gxf4 Ne3 20.fxe3 Bxe3+ 21.Kh1 Qg4 looks very strong
19.gxf4 Ne3 20.fxe3 Bxe3+ 21.Rf2 Qg4+ 22.Kf1 and perhaps 22...Qh3+. I'm not so sure on this line.
|Jul-20-13|| ||James D Flynn: Black is a pawn down but his pieces are poised for an attack on the castled White K.
18……Rxf4 19.gxf4 Ne3(threats Q g4+ and mate on g2 and Nxd1 therefore the N must be taken) 20.fxe3 Bxe3+ 21.Kh1 Qg4 22.Nh2 Qh3 23.Rf3 Qxh4 24.Qf1 Rf8 25.f5 Nxe5 26.fxe6 Rxf3 27.Qg2 Rg3 28.Qf1 Rh3 29.Qg2 Bxf4 wins the N on h2 with mate to follow after 40.Qxh2 and 31.Qxh2#|
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|Jul-20-13|| ||Jimfromprovidence: If 21 Kh1 instead of 21 Kf1?, then after 21...Bxf2 22 Qf1, things don't look that clear cut.|
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|Jul-20-13|| ||cyclon: Don't know what Black played here and didn't see a mating combination, but I found 18. -Rxf4 ( idea behind this move is to open up g-file and break White's King-sides pawn-structure ) 19. gxf4 ( there doesn't seem to be an alternative to this move, f.e. 19. Nh2 Rd4 followed by 20. -Ncxe5 ) -19. -Nxf2 20. Rxf2 ( practically forced; 20. N(f3)- somewhere - Qg6+ and 21. -Nxd1 - threat was anyway 20. -Qg4+ 21. Kh2 Qh3+ 22. Kg1 Qh1X. ) -20. -Qg4+ 21. Kh1 ( 21. Kf1 Qg3 22. Rg2 [ 22. Rh2 Bh3+ ] -Bh3 23. Qxd5+ [ 23. Ne1 Qf2X ] - Kh8 24. Qxc5 Bxg2+ 25. Kg1 Bh3+ and mates next ) -21. -Bxf2 and in my view this one is a possible position behind Black's combination starting with 18. -Rxf4. Material is temporarily "even", BUT White will soon lose both his h- and f-pawns if Black so wishes, his King's position is in ruins and Queen-side is lacking in development. More-over, -d5 is taboo ; 22. Nxd5 Qh3+ 23. Nh2 Bg3 24. Qg1 Bxd5+ curfew. So, the combination gives Black a win-entailing game. Unless I'm mistaken, of course.|
|Jul-20-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: After about 10-15 minutes, I went for 18...RxB/f4!? (Not sure if it is winning, though, its a nice attack, too many variations to be sure if it wins.)|
|Jul-20-13|| ||cyclon: <James D Flynn: Black is a pawn down but his pieces are poised for an attack on the castled White K. 18……Rxf4 19.gxf4 Ne3(threats Q g4+ and mate on g2 and Nxd1 therefore the N must be taken) 20.fxe3 Bxe3+ 21.Kh1 Qg4 22. Nh2 > Why 22. Nh2? White is a Rook up and can safely give some material back for example with 22. Rg1. There are also some other deviations in your line.|
|Jul-20-13|| ||gars: Of course I ewnt wrong from move 18 but who cares? This is a wonderful combination!|
|Jul-20-13|| ||GilesFarnaby: <Jimfromprovidence: If 21 Kh1 instead of 21 Kf1?, then after 21...Bxf2 22 Qf1, things don't look that clear cut.>|
I calculated until 21.Kh1 and then left it 'cause I didn't see a clear win. Laziness didn't allow me to ask here, but since JFP raised the question himself, does anyone have a take on it?
|Jul-21-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: BTW - this is another case of "knowing the solution" ... based on what day of the week it is. |
(Fridays thru Sundays almost always contain a sacrifice of some sort, usually the crazier the sack, the better.)
Needless to say, you WON'T know this this in a real chess tournament, no one will whisper in your ear, "It's time to sack a piece."
|Jul-21-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <JimfromProvidence> Your line was the one I got hung up on ...|
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