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| Aug-29-13 | | dTal: Hey NalinW, you the same guy who coached the school team at TCK, SL back in the late 80s and 90s? If so, I played in all the teams, Jnr and Snr and you lent me your shogi set, though I never used it! |
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| Aug-29-13 | | bubuli55: This is a piece of meat! I mean a loss of a piece or mate. 34. Re1 Nxc4
35. Re8+ Bf8
36. Bh6 and mate follows |
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| Aug-29-13 | | morfishine: An important theme to remember: Bishop on h6 & Rook on f8 But how do we get there?
<34.Re1> Wins a piece and the game (1) 34...Nxc4 35.Re8+ Bf8 36.Bh6 & Rxf8# can only be delayed (2) 34...Ra4 35.Rxe5 Rxc4 36.Re8+ Bf8 37.Bh6
(2a) 35...Bxe5 36.Bxe5#
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PM: Whats more impressive, the game? or their age difference? Reshevsky was 71 while Glueck was 18
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| Aug-29-13 | | Dr. Funkenstein: White to play down a pawn but with two active bishops attacking black’s king 34. Re1 looks like a winner because black cannot play Nxc4 due to 35. Re8+ Bf8 36. Bh6 and additional support cannot be brought to the pinned knight on e5 34. Re1 Nd7 (Rc3/a4 35. Rxe5 and white stays up a piece due to the Re8+ Bf8 Bh6 threat above) 35. Re8+ Nf8 36. Bd6 Ra4/c3 37. Bxf8 and black is losing a piece because the discovered check does not allow for the capture on c4 |
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| Aug-29-13 | | ndg2: Embarassing. I knew it must be 34.Re1, but still could not see OTB, what would come after. 35...Bf8. Labored on 36. Bd6 instead. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | mistreaver: Thursday.White to play. Medium. 34?
I calculated the following:
34 Re1! Nxc4
35 Re8+ Bf8
36 Bh6!
and white wins.
Then i thought, what if some other move, say Ra4
34 Re1 Ra4
I couldn't find a good continuation here.
Then, what if:
34 Rd1 Nxc4
35 Rd8+ Bf8
36 Bh6
is winning, but then i saw the following:
34 Rd1 h6
35 Rd8+ Kh7
36 Bg8+ Kh8
and i can't find more then perpetual.
I don't see other ideas, i am sure i missed something and that it's one of these two moves.
Time to check and see how it went.
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Ahhhh, i missed 34 Re1 Ra4 35 Rxe5! A key move. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | whiteshark: A <Gluecksfall>*, so to speak. * windfall / piece of luck |
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| Aug-29-13 | | trnbg: In German, "Glueck" means luck. So, no luck for Glueck. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | beenthere240: Playing the game over, you can almost feel Glueck's excitement. But 21. Nxd5! really was the beginning of the end. Black's answer ... Kh8 avoided the knight check, but put the black king into a hole from which it was never to emerge.
One of those games that shows how good good players are. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | patzer2: For those new to solving Chess combinations, one point worth mentioning is the essential role of the combined in-between (aka zwischenzug) and pinning move 36. Bh6! in this combination. After 35...Bf8 (position below),
click for larger viewif White goes for instant gratification, immediately capturing the Bishop with 36. Rxf8+??, Black is no longer in trouble after 36...Kg7  . Indeed, with no White mate threats and two strong passed pawns Black has good winning chances after 36. Rxf8+?? Kg7 to  (position below). 
click for larger viewHowever, by delaying the capture by one move with 36. Bh6! (position below), 
click for larger viewWhite insures victory by piling up on the pinned Bishop with a mate threat Black cannot stop. Here White can only slightly delay the threatened 37. Rxf8# with useless tries such as 36...Rf3 37. gxf3 Kg8 38. Rxf8# or 37. Ra1+ Kh2 38. Ra8 Rxa8 39. Kg8 Rxf8#. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | patzer2: patzer2: Black's 33...Ne5? allows the winning 34. Re1!, which solves today's Thursday puzzle.
Instead, 33. Be5! (position below)
click for larger viewturns the tables with Black having two strong connected passed pawns, and White struggling to hold the draw. After 33...Be5! 34. Be3 Nd6 to , Black is in fine shape. |
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Aug-29-13
 | | Penguincw: Ooh. I was thinking of 34.♗xe5 ♗xe5 35.♖e1, but there's no bishop to try to mate. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | Patriot: 34.Re1 looks like trouble for black.
34...Nxc4 35.Re8+ Bf8 36.Bh6 
34...Nd7 35.Re8+ Bf8 36.Be6
34...Nd7 35.Re8+ Nf8 36.Bd6
34...b5 35.Bxb5 and I don't see anything for black.
34...Ra4 35.Rxe5 Bxe5 36.Bxe5#
34...Ra4 35.Rxe5 Rxc4 36.Re8+ Bf8 37.Bh6
This looks winning. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | Patriot: On 34...b5, Houdini suggests 35.Bxb5 Ra5 36.Bc4 putting black in the same mess. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | kevin86: I saw this one...black cannot stop mate. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | waustad: I rejected the line one ply to early. Bummer. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | BOSTER: <Infohunter> <Small world>. The "Rome (square h8) is a small city, and then more you (the king) stay here it is going to be more narrow".
The pattern with white rook on 8 rank and bishop on h6, and black Kh8, Bf8 and pawn h7,g6 is well known. So, before playing 33...Ne5 black should see it. |
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Aug-29-13
 | | perfidious: <Nick46: Better luck next time, David.> While this is, of course, a play on Black's surname, David never needed much luck-he was a strong master and bright, capable guy. Last I heard, some twelve years ago, he was a professor at Dartmouth. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | agb2002: <engmaged:
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agb2002 nice work except for <B.1) 37.Rf7+ Kf6 > does not seem like a valid chess move at all :) >I either need Chess 101 or Typing 101... |
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Aug-29-13
| | perfidious: <abb2002: I either need Chess 101 or Typing 101...> Typing is hardly my strong suit, but there are days that having the former class would not be bad, either.... |
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| Aug-29-13 | | tjipa: I wish I had been there - an eager 19 years old patzer opposing Reshewsky... I cant complain, have had my chess moments before, yet... The generation of players that played Alekhine, Capablanca and even Lasker - that is something special, and being in an even indirect, casual connection with them is special, in my very HO. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | patcheck: After hesitating much between 34. Re1 and 34. Rd1, I saw :
34. Re1 Nd7 which seems the best answer for black. But there are various other possibilities: A) 34. … Rh1?! 35. Rxh1 Nf3+ (not 35. … Nxc4 36. Rh8+ Bf8 37. Bh6 followed by 38. Rx f8#) 36. gxf3. Bxh1 37. Bc7 and white will be a bishop up although it could be difficult to convert it in a win. B) 34. … Rc3 35. Rxe5!
B1) 35. … Bxe5 36. Bxe5#
B2) 35. … Rxc4 36. Re8+ Bf8 37. Bh6 followed by Rxf8# B3) 35. … Rc1+ Kh2 and black is lost.
So, although we didn’t give all the variations, the best defense after 34. Re1 seems to be 34. … Nd7 followed by : 35. Re8+ Nf8 (35. … Bf8 36. Rxf8+ Nxf8 37. Bd4#) 36. Bd6 and white will win a piece (36. … Rc4 37. Bf7 / 36. … Rh1+ Kh2 37. Rc1 Bf7). Nevertheless, black has two passed pawns on the queen side. In conclusion, I think that :
34. Re1 Nd7 35. Re8+ Nf8 36. Bd6 should win for white although, for instance, 36. … Rh1+37. Kh2 Rc1 38. Bf7 c4 doesn’t seem so easy to win. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | dark.horse: 36. Bh6 - sweet clincher! |
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| Aug-29-13 | | patcheck: After 34. Re1 Nd7 35. Re8+ Nf8 36. Bd6, I hadn't considered 36. ... Ra4 and think that the best answer should be : 37. Be6, followed for instance by :
37. ... Re4 38. Bxf8 Bxf8 39. Rxf8+ Kg7 40. Rg8+Kf6 41. Bd7 But, as I said, it doesn't seem to me an easy win for white, because black is a pawn up against the bishop with two passed pawns and a better position of its king. |
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| Aug-29-13 | | savagerules: Ol' Sammy was probably in time trouble to boot when he played 34 Re1! and then Black who may have had visions of victory over the great Reshevsky quickly commits hari kiri with 34...Nxc4? instead of trying desperately to hold on with 34...Nd7 or even trying 34...Ra1 35 Rxa1 Nf3+ 36 gxf3 Bxa1 |
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