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Geza Maroczy / Robert Rollans vs Viktor Korchnoi
"Soul Mate" (game of the day Jun-23-2016)
Spiritualist Exhibition game (1985), ?, Jun-15
French Defense: Winawer. Poisoned Pawn Variation Paoli Variation (C18)  ·  0-1
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Jul-15-08
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  alexmagnus: <Korchnoi asked for Capablanca, by the way, but got Maroczy instead.> Not really. Korchnoi asked for one of three Capablanca, Keres, Maroczy. The answer was "We didn't found Capablanca and Keres in there and Maroczy says "your turn" " (source: an interview with Korchnoi).
Dec-25-08
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  Phony Benoni: The first occurrence of <10.Kd1> in our database comes from 1961, which was ten years after Maroczy's death.

I find this very troubling. Here I always thought The Afterlife was a realm of eternal rest and peace. And now you're telling me I'll have to spend it studying opening theory?

You might as well live.

Jan-02-09  gauer: In the notes to Tal vs Botvinnik, 1960 , Eric Schiller references Gligoric vs Petrosian, 1959 as differing at 11 ... N8c6, World Championship Openings, p. 147-8. The latter continued with 12 Nf3 Nxe5 13 Bg5 N7g6 14 Bxe7, but with Euwe suggesting 14 Bf6 <! overpowering, so this line has been retired - Schiller>. Perhaps this is why (a ghost of?) Geza Maroczy / Robert Rollans wanted to test Kd1 vs Viktor Korchnoi . A note added to my MCO-14, p. 214-5, line 34, indicates the similarities, with p. 194-7 suggesting the contrast between 7 Qg4 & 7 Nf3 (also see a note to this move in Fischer vs Petrosian, 1970 ). Can't recall whether the name <Euwe-Gligoric> appeared in an older version of Chessmaster 5000 [now using Chessgames Home Page & chessbase] as an output return, of which Shiller supposedly assisted by adding in some of his <Caxton> lines into that program's opening look-up.
Aug-03-11  Yudhishtira: So where was the great Geza playing from, heaven or hell?
Aug-24-11  Lovuschka: It should be noted that Maroczy in the last years of his life rarely played chess because he concentrated on his career as mathematical teacher, and he was 115 years old when this game was played (although that might not matter since there is no physical issue of aging on the other side).

The evidence points that this game is not faked, it was indeed played by the Hungarian master. The following link was already given in this discussion forum so I will just repeat it.

<MrMelad> posted the link to The Survival Files. The new address is http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-m... or directly http://www.aeces.info/Top40/Cases_8...

Another interesting link in German language:
http://www.wegbegleiter.ch/wegbeg/s...

I prepare an article about the subject, but I still need one piece of evidence that - beyond all doubt - can proof the identity of Maróczy. I contacted the people that should have it, so let's hope I can get it.

Jan-19-13  Ulhumbrus: If Maroczy began to play in 1985, given that Leko had been born six years earlier in 1979 this suggests that Maroczy has not reincarnated as Leko.
Sep-21-13
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  Domdaniel: So the ghost gave up, knowing that Viktor would never give up the ghost?
Jun-19-14  dernier thylacine: We could just laugh about all these idiot things, but unfortunately for great but at the same time honorable Champions like Spassky and Karpov, maybe it was less funny to play a correct chess in their matches of 1972 and 1978, having as opponents paranoiac and mad people, ready in their hate to do anything to disturb their opponent; we saw the result: a big disappointment for the fans of beautiful chess games...

This is what I had in mind when putting an ironic kibitz under a game of the Tarrasch-Chigorin match in 1893 after watching a video about Fischer, and maybe PERFIDIOUS in his kind answer did not guess exactly what I meant with my "innocent" question...

Jun-20-14
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  offramp: The Pyramid of Geza.
May-19-16
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  offramp: I know that people have lost games by dying, but by what agency did Maroczy register 0-1 in this partie?
Jun-23-16
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  andrewjsacks: A spirited contest indeed.
Jun-23-16
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  Phony Benoni: Alas, Maroczy was but a ghost of his former self.
Jun-23-16
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: What's Maroczy doing playing modern chess theory? The position after 11...Nbc6 did not appear until 1963.
Jun-23-16  Elrathia Kingi: 48.b4 Ke1 and either 49.b5 Kd1 and the c pawn can't be stopped, or 49.Kc2 Ke2 and the d pawn can't be stopped.
Jun-23-16
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  Sneaky: <What's Maroczy doing playing modern chess theory? The position after 11...Nbc6 did not appear until 1963.> What makes you think he wasn't looming over the board watching F Kuijpers vs N Padevsky, 1963? For all we know he whispered ideas to Padevksy to help him win :)
Jun-23-16  The Kings Domain: The strangest Chess game known to man. One wonders whether it's really Maroczy or some passing entity who tricked the humans and used some universal Chess database to get his moves. It didn't work, but it's interesting nonetheless.

And why did the game take so long to finish?

Jun-23-16
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  alexmagnus: Well, if there was some cheating involved, I hope the cheater confesses some day. Whoever supplied Maroczy's moves must have been quite a strong player.
Jun-23-16
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  morfishine: Quality wise, medium level at best
Jun-23-16
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  Honza Cervenka: <Phony Benoni: The first occurrence of <10.Kd1> in our database comes from 1961, which was ten years after Maroczy's death.

I find this very troubling. Here I always thought The Afterlife was a realm of eternal rest and peace. And now you're telling me I'll have to spend it studying opening theory?>

Eternity is very long and quite boring matter. Trying to keep pace with new opening theory can be a good way to kill time....:-D

Jun-23-16  TheTamale: It would be a lot more tempting to believe in the validity of Maroczy's spiritual presence had the game not taken place over the course of seven years.
Jun-23-16
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  kevin86: When the ghost resigned, what did he give up: himself?
Jun-23-16
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  AylerKupp: <TheTamale> What did you expect? Back in 1985 they did not have fast Internet connections.
Jun-23-16  DPLeo: <TheTamale: It would be a lot more tempting to believe in the validity of Maroczy's spiritual presence had the game not taken place over the course of seven years.>

I was wondering why Maroczy's flag didn't fall myself but then I realized when one is playing from eternity, time constraints are irrelevant.

Jun-23-16
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  Jimfromprovidence: Maroczy can get his rematch now, without the medium as a "middle-man"!
Jun-23-16
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  piltdown man: A dead rubber.
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