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Vladimir Kramnik vs Teimour Radjabov
World Championship Candidates (2011)  ·  English Opening: Agincourt Defense. King's Knight (A13)  ·  1-0
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Kibitzer's Corner
May-09-11
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  chancho: There was no adequate way to defend the a5 pawn.
Trying to defend it by say, 72...Bd8?? leads to mate on f7.

These guys play Chess better at rapid then average players do at classic time controls imo.

May-09-11  Everett: Endgame wizardry! Kramnik zugzwangs Radjabov twice to bring home the point.

Kramnik channeled Smyslov in this one, from the Reti opening to the masterful ending.

May-09-11  fixingguru: interesting article on chessbase.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

apparently the clock broke down after 60...Kf6 in a drawn position and clock was fixed in 13 minutes. after that Radjabov makes a series of bad moves (why on earth did he put the rook on d8 is beyond me) and losses.

i wonder how all this affected the other two players since the arbiter had to admonish them to keep it down.

May-10-11
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  FSR: <chancho: ... These guys play Chess better at rapid then average players do at classic time controls imo.>

There's no question. I don't know about you, but I haven't played a game like Ivanchuk vs Yusupov, 1991 lately.

May-10-11
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  nimh: <These guys play Chess better at rapid then average players do at classic time controls imo.>

That's pretty obvious to me, as the difference in thinking time is only 5-6x.

An interesting question would be how much Magnus' rating would be if he were to be permitted only play 5'+1'' in classical tournaments. Would he be able to stay above 2000?

May-10-11
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  Jimfromprovidence: After 62 Bb3 white has a mate in one threat, but it looks easily defensible.

The move I don't understand is 67...Rd6?, below, which puts black in zugzwang after 68 Bb7.


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There must be a better move that keeps the black rook on the 8th rank.

May-10-11
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  FSR: <nimh: ... An interesting question would be how much Magnus' rating would be if he were to be permitted only play 5'+1'' in classical tournaments. Would he be able to stay above 2000?>

Easily. At least 2400, I would think.

May-10-11  Blunderdome: I don't know -- it might be difficult to never really be able to leave the table, while your opponent has hours to work with.
May-10-11
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  tamar: My guess is Magnus would play 2650 range with 5 minutes 1 second increment against a player with full classical time.

If you tried to play fast against him, you would lose.

If you thought long and deep variations, he would think on your time, and you would only occasionally surprise him.

It would be an interesting experiment.

May-10-11  Dr. J: The question you are discussing is similar to assessing the playing strength of a master at a simultaneous exhibition. The master is estimated to be playing about 350 rating points below full strength.
May-11-11  rilkefan: In a simul the master has to keep paging between positions. One could run a program at 5/1 but only clock it at intervals to assess how many parallel processors or whatever were needed to adjust it to play e.g. classical 2650 at that time control.
May-11-11  rilkefan: <FSR: <chancho: ... These guys play Chess better at rapid then average players do at classic time controls imo.>

There's no question. I don't know about you, but I haven't played a game like Ivanchuk vs Yusupov, 1991 lately.>

The game is marked "classical", which confused me. I submitted a correction slip, hopefully correctly.

May-11-11  checkmateyourmove: I think magnus rating would be 2654 with 5/1 clock.....lol And the winner is ....
May-11-11
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  FSR: <Blunderdome: I don't know -- it might be difficult to never really be able to leave the table, while your opponent has hours to work with.>

In fairness, I'd give Carlsen up to, say, 10 minutes an hour of bathroom breaks.

May-11-11
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  Jim Bartle: That Ivanchuk-Yusupov game was played at 60 moves in 45 minutes. So, a little more time than today's rapids.
Jun-04-12  Wyatt Gwyon: Kramnik's endgame technique is incredible.
Dec-26-13  jusmail: Great game even with OCB

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