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 | | chancho: I got the impression when Kramnik exchanged that Knight for two pawns, that it smacked of arrogance. Giving up the Knight was not forced. |
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Jul-31-11
| | chancho: Nakamura a User: sexy bro? Really?! |
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| Jul-31-11 | | Chessmensch: How are things in Nakamura
This fine day?
Very fine indeed! |
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| Jul-31-11 | | JoergWalter: <cancho: I got the impression when Kramnik exchanged that Knight for two pawns, that it smacked of arrogance.
Giving up the Knight was not forced.> maybe he was playing for the gallery in a position he misjudged. I don't see that (kasparovian) smack of arrogance. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | lost in space: yups, as i was foreseeable after White missed Nxd6 |
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| Jul-31-11 | | lost in space: <<CG.com>: We are looking forward to doing it again very soon.> Thanks a lot, very much appreciated |
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| Jul-31-11 | | anandrulez: Kramnik is known to be a solid +2 . He ofcourse has 5 wins and an escape vs LQL - but that apart what was his reason to go crazy with a sac that looked dubious ? Is this the new Kramnik version ? This is not usual style of K actually . |
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| Jul-31-11 | | JoergWalter: did they have special prices for the most beautiful or best played game in dortmund? |
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| Jul-31-11 | | alekhinist: Considering Nakamura's lackluster performance, I can't really blame Kramnik for playing the way he did. I mean it was virtually risk-free, aside from a few rating points. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | JoergWalter: <I can't really blame Kramnik for playing the way he did. I mean it was virtually risk-free, aside from a few rating points.> Right, why should anyone blame Kramnik, he was entertaining without looking at rating points. |
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Jul-31-11
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <chancho: I got the impression when Kramnik exchanged [sacrificed] that Knight for two pawns [with 23. <Nfxg5>], that it smacked of arrogance. *** > <alekhinist: Considering Nakamura's lackluster performance, I can't really blame Kramnik for playing the way he did. I mean it was virtually risk-free, aside from a few rating points.> FWIW, Kramnik started today with a live rating of 2798. A win would have put him over 2800 (not for the first time), but I really don't think Vladimir Borisovich cares very much about such things. What he seems to care about are: -- Winning tournaments;
-- The title "World Chess Champion"; and
-- Having fun playing chess.
Today (having already taken care of business w/r/t the first of the above-listed desiderata), I think he decided to indulge his taste for sheer fun playing chess. He certainly knew he was courting some risk of losing playing the way he did, but I'm pretty sure he had a lot of fun being "Tal-for-a-day". 'Tis better to have sacrificed and lost than never to have sacrificed at all ... |
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Jul-31-11
 | | Domdaniel: I completely agree with Peligroso. The 1990s Kramnik - whom some here may not remember - played wild stuff regularly, out-computing the best in the world, including Kasparov. Then - in order to become World Champion - he devised a 'boring' strategy to frustrate Kasparov in matchplay. He reprogrammed himself as a deep positional player -- but too many draws after winning the title created a perception of Vlad as inherently boring, the 'drawnik'. Far from it. I think he took on Nakamura in this style in order to test himself, precisely because Naka is tactically among the best. Of course, having the tournament won already helped him to loosen up. But so many players take quick draws under such conditions, especially playing white against an opponent having a bad week. Vlad came out swinging, and is to be respected for it. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | BobCrisp: <The 1990s Kramnik - whom some here may not remember - played wild stuff regularly, out-computing the best in the world, including Kasparov.> Wildness is a relative term. Maybe you could point out 20 or 30 examples of the games you mean. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | frogbert: <Right, why should anyone blame Kramnik, he was entertaining without looking at rating points.> really? or was exactly "looking at rating points" kramnik's problem? i.e. he wanted so much to win that he considered this semi-dubious (and non-winning) piece sac as his best chance to produce a full point - in order to be 2800+ in the next rating list? i don't think kramnik "missed" nxd6 - he simply saw that it would probably draw, and he was still gambling to win. and hence lost. in short, i think indeed that kramnik considered rating points in this game, and that it was part of his "problem". my theory anyway... |
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| Jul-31-11 | | arnaud1959: <Peligroso Patzer> I don't really agree about <What he seems to care about are> <The title "World Chess Champion";> Yes, absolutely!! <Winning tournaments> After World championship period <Having fun playing chess.> After World championship period and from now on I hope, even just before the next World championship period. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | Papagambit: time to play the Abbasong ,..."Dancing QUeen"um Rook |
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| Jul-31-11 | | patzer2: Congratulations to Kramnik on winning the tournament and to Nakamura for an entertaining win with the Black pieces in the final round against Kramnik. Kramnik obviously missed something, but Nakamura is to be commended for his resourceful counter attacking win. Naka had a tough tournament, suffering a previous loss to Kramnik and two tough losses to Ponomariov after defeating him in an earlier match. At least this win redeems some of Naka's pride, and serves to remind us he is still one of the top super GMs in the world. I hope this win means Naka is getting his form back, and portends better tournament results for him in the future. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | Papagambit: Kram was schooled 2day |
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| Jul-31-11 | | JoergWalter: <frogbert> From TWIC:<Vladimir Kramnik has played really well in this tournament. Back to his very accurate best. But in general he is not a great sacrificial player, at least not since his youth, and his piece sacrifice against the struggling Hikaru Nakamura was certainly not an obvious win for him. Perhaps he thought that losing wouldn't cost him too much but a win might be something useful to have in the bank against a rival for later> Maybe Kramnik himself will clarify his motive. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | positionalgenius: <crisp> Maybe if you looked through "kramniks best games" you'll see. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | lost in space: Maybe also this is forgotten, but Kramnik regularly played the Swechnikow - at a time were this sicilian variation was not at all drawish but a way to play aggressively for a win I think his style is very much determined from his WCC match vs. Kapsarov: With Black super (super!) solid play without any risk to bore Kaspraov to death and with white a dynamic but not risky way to play . I would call his way to play with the white pieces a classic style, but maybe "positional" is the better way to express it correctly. From my point of view he is slowly shifting back to more aggressive play with the black pieces and is also willing to take more risk with white. Definitely not any longer "Drawnik" or Leko-like. I think the last bit for this change was coming from his disastrous play vs Anand in his WCC match against him 2 (?) years ago. For me he is one of the big 4 of the chess on earth - beside Anand, Carlsen and Aronian. %4$ยง"42 from planet (76&/% is of course better than these 4 - no doubt about that. For me he has the potential to be a Kotchnoi (with the difference that Kramnik managed to win the WC title already). |
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| Jul-31-11 | | Jambow: I'm with the crowd that cheers big Vlad today.
1. He can't lose the tournament
2. He has white pieces
3. Nakamura was playing poorly
4. Loss drops to 279* something wins joins the 2800 club 5. Frequently the object of critisism and tired of being known as drawnik. No Kramnik did the right thing and if he played for a draw how many would be all over him saying he should have went for it based on the list I just gave. Hindsight is 20/20 but from where Kramnik was sitting before 1d4 his only course of action was the one chosen imho. Kramnik on form willing to play for a win every game is frightning and might keep him around for a while with more fans also. |
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| Jul-31-11 | | Jambow: <Wildness is a relative term> Not sure you should drag the family in this <Bob> ;o] |
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| Jul-31-11 | | Jambow: Interesting note every decided game 7 out of 8 between these two was won by black? |
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| Jul-31-11 | | alekhinist: <Papagambit: Kram was schooled 2day> So if this becomes GOTD, can we use "Kram Schooled?" =) |
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