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|Mar-30-13|| ||goodevans: <Ezzy: ... 28...Qxa2??> Does every losing move deserve two question marks? If not then why pick on this one?|
Two question marks should be reserved for outright blunders and this hardly counts as that (see other comments if you don't believe me). To give it the "??" treatment denigrates the beauty of 29.e5!
|Apr-02-13|| ||Ezzy: <goodevans: <Ezzy: ... 28...Qxa2??> Does every losing move deserve two question marks? If not then why pick on this one?>|
I don't mind if you you take one away. :-)
|Mar-22-14|| ||paramount: I got it under 15 seconds. No other coherent moves.
The rest of the moves you can muse it after that.
29.e5 Nd5 (this absolute move)
31.Bxd5 Rxd5(and this four moves is kinda forced)
I need less that 2 minutes until here.
The rest needs some little longer time but that is not just because the moves are hard but you need to calculate the variations instead.
All in all, this is the easiest Saturday puzzle i'have ever done in this website or maybe one of the easiest puzzles.
I think even the amateur player (1500 rating) can do it quickly. I myself have rating between (2200-2800). wont tell you though
|Mar-22-14|| ||paramount: Okay i wanna make some notes.
You usually got e5 move quicker in the blitz or rapid match while you have a less time to think, it looks very promising. If you play with standard time (2 hours), you will probably think much longer to get e5 because there will be probably the better move. Som i got e5 here with my standard in the blitz game.
Maybe there are better moves. But incidentally, the answer also e5. Got it...???!!!
|Mar-22-14|| ||al wazir: I got the first move right.
But in the game as played, doesn't 31. Re4 win the ♕?
|Mar-22-14|| ||al wazir: No: If 31. Re4, then 31...Nb4, threatening 32...Rd1+.|
|Mar-22-14|| ||Mendrys: I guessed 29. e5 and would probably have played this in a game but it was only a guess. I didn't come close to the line in the game leading to the loss of the exchange so I can't claim credit. For the record, my rating is between 1500-3000.|
|Mar-22-14|| ||ALKINAN: 33 Nc6xe7+! the key-move !|
|Mar-22-14|| ||goodevans: I recognised the game and remembered the crucial bit about hitting the Q twice with Rb2 and Rb4. Even armed with that knowledge it still took me a few minutes to work the rest out. Stunning stuff from Vlad!|
|Mar-22-14|| ||morfishine: Very nice move sequence that I deviated from (playing e6 at various points) instead of harassing the Black Queen with the rook. Needless to say, this is weaker than what the Grandmaster played although my efforts also included Nxe7+ [which is immune from capture]|
|Mar-22-14|| ||Manuel G. Vergara: Vanities! Hehehe|
|Mar-22-14|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: Yet again I start out stumped.
I want to make material gain out of
Nb4 (the queen is somewhat embarrassed)
e5 (then so is the knight)
Bc6 (then so are the rooks)
But I'm not getting it done, first and foremost because of Black's ... Qa5.
|Mar-22-14|| ||Penguincw: 29. Nxe7 seemed to be winning to me, but the bank rank wasn't a problem. :||
|Mar-22-14|| ||Patriot: White is down a pawn.
29.Re2 seems to win the pawn back but not sure it does anything more than that.
29...Qe6 30.Reb2 is interesting but 30...Rc7. So maybe just 30.Rxa6.
If you don't see good candidates pretty quickly there's no use spending much more time.
|Mar-22-14|| ||gofer: The first thing I noticed was Rb2 Qc3 Rb8 looks interesting, but
Nf6 is protecting Re8, then we have e5 getting rid of Nf6, but
what if black plays Qa4 to Rb2? So then we look a little deeper
and wonder what is so bad about Qa4? Well then we have to consider
Nf6's escape squares; d5 and h4 after h4 we can push the knight
even further with g4 forcing Nf4, at that point Qa4 becomes a really
bads choice... ...so the scene is set.
<29 e5 ...>
29 ... Rd2!?
30 exf6 Rxf2!
31 Bd5! Qd2
32 Qxd2 Rxd2
29 ... Nh4
30 g4 Nf4
31 Rb2! Qa4 ( Qa3 32 Rb8 )
32 Rb4 Qb2
<29 ... Nd5>
<30 Rb2 Qa4>
This abuse of Qa2 forces Rxd5 instead of Qxa5!
<31 Bxd5 Rxd5>
<32 Rb4 Qa2>
<33 Nxe7+! ...>
Perfect! White forces black to make a very difficult
decision. Lose the 7th and 8th ranks (and the game) or lose
the exchange AND a pawn...
33 ... Rxe7
34 Qc8+ Bf8
35 Rb8 Re8
36 Qxe8 Qa3
37 Rb7! mating
So it must be the exchange...
<33 ... Kh8> (Kf8 seems worse)
<34 Rb2 ...>
The abuse of the black queen continues!
<35 ... Qa5>
<36 Nxd5 Qxd5>
<37 Rd2! Qb5>
<38 f4 ...>
This all looks great for white, but its not quite the clean
kill that we might expect. Pretty good, but not perfect! So
what have I missed????
I got the first 5 moves. Is that good enough? I would probably
say so. What do the machines say is optimum???
|Mar-22-14|| ||Patriot: LOL--I'm way off today, not even seeing 29...Qxe2. It makes me wonder what kind of day this is going to be...|
|Mar-22-14|| ||BOSTER: <paramount: I got it under 15 sec.>|
Maybe this is a reasoan why you don't play in
|Mar-22-14|| ||Jimfromprovidence: My question to myself was can we trnspose the move order 29 e5 30 Rb2 and still win?|
It does not look that way because if 29 Rb2, then 29...Qa3.
click for larger view
Now if 30 e5, black has the unexpected resource 30...Bh6.
click for larger view
|Mar-22-14|| ||PJs Studio: I'm sorry to sound like a broken record. This required very deep calculation by Kramnik to see all the way from 28.Rb6! to 33.Nxe7+! Seriously deep. |
No wonder he was one of the only players to effectively stand up to Kasparov.
|Mar-22-14|| ||PJs Studio: I couldn't see Nxe7 on the move. Let alone five moves earlier.|
|Mar-22-14|| ||agb2002: White is one pawn down.
The black queen and knight lack mobility. This suggests 29.e5:
A) 29... Nd5 30.Rb2
A.1) 30... Qa4 31.Bxd5 Rxd5 32.Rb4 traps the black queen.
A.2) 30... Qa3 31.Rb8 wins material due to the double threat 32.Qxa3 and 32.Rxe8+.
B) 29... Nh5 30.g4 Ng3 31.Rb2 (31.fxg3 Rd2) wins the knight.
|Mar-22-14|| ||agb2002: I can't explain why I didn't see the trivial 32... Qa2 although I saw the possibility of a knight fork on e7 due to Qh6.|
Residual image of the rook on b2 perhaps?
|Mar-22-14|| ||M.Hassan: "Very Difficult"
White to play 29.?
White is a pawn down.
It is going to be mate next move.
It is time to check
Hmmm. 5 moves same as the text game and Black wisely does not capture the knight on move 33. So, mate does not come soon but White gains advantage.
|Mar-22-14|| ||Cheapo by the Dozen: OK. That has got to be one of the tougher back rank opportunities to visualize. The knight was displaced, the d rook was displaced, and one had to recognize that the Qh6 threat was real.|
I didn't come close to seeing all that.
|Mar-30-14|| ||LIFE Master AJ: 29.e5, another example of Kramnik's skill.|
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