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| Jun-26-13 | | wordfunph: 210-move drama in Kiev from Chessbase..
http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId... |
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| Jun-26-13 | | dumbgai: White shot himself in the foot much earlier by allowing his pieces to get stuck in such passive positions. Throughout the endgame, black is only up by one pawn, but his king, knight, and rook all have more active positions, thus forcing white to sacrifice his knight for the two pawns. The pawnless endgame that emerges can still be drawn, but is more difficult to hold. |
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| Jun-27-13 | | twinlark: There is an entire chessbase article devoted to this game: http://chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211... The key point is that Black found just about the only move to lose with <206. Kh2??>: 
click for larger viewwhen, as Alexander Baburin puts it, "Almost any rook move would hold the draw": "Kf2 Whoops! 207.Rh8 Only move to stop mate but now there is no escape for the king Rg4 208.Rh7 Rg2+ 209.Kh3 Rg3+ 210.Kh2 Nd4 White resigned because of 210...Nd4 211.Rf7+ Nf3+ 212.Rxf3+ Rxf3 213.Kh1 Rh3#." |
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Jun-27-13
 | | FSR: The superior side only manages to win R+N v. R about 9% of the time: Endgame Explorer: R vs RN. Here are the decisive games: Endgame Explorer: RN vs R. |
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Jun-27-13
| | FSR: Poor Neverov had a disastrous result both in this game and in the tournament: Ukrainian Championship (2013). Can you imagine successfully defending for 205 moves, then blundering on move 206 and losing? Horrific. Better to get crushed in 20; at least you'd be rested for the next round. |
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| Jun-27-13 | | twinlark: Especially considering he's now over 50. He crashed and burned after this game. |
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| Jun-27-13 | | dumbgai: 0/7 starting with this game. He probably had no energy left. |
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| Jun-27-13 | | twinlark: Chess never fatigued me when I was young, sometimes staying up till all hours playing blitz and resuming competition play the next day. Come family and day job, and 25 years later I resume chess and find to my dismay that chess can now be a highly fatiguing activity at the level of even modest competition, especially in weekend tournaments when there are two rounds a day. A 220 move game like this would destroy me for the rest of a tournament, regardless of the outcome, but especially if I lost because of a blunder. Which was probably caused by fatigue. |
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| Jun-27-13 | | TheFocus: I had about a dozen games over 100 moves. To even try to imagine a 200+ game makes me want to bang my head against the wall. |
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Jun-27-13
| | FSR: <twinlark> Yes, speaking as a quinquagenarian myself, it seems cruel and unusual (albeit perfectly legal) for a 20-year-old to make the poor guy defend for over 200 moves. |
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Jun-28-13
 | | Phony Benoni: Never went over 94 moves myself, due to a tendency to self-destruct early. And that one was a Neverov Moment.
click for larger viewWith White against future IM Vasik G Rajlich, I had deliberately steered for the ♖+♙ vs. ♖ ending about 35 moves earlier because I knew how to draw it. Now, after 94.Kf1, Black would be out of tricks. Instead I played <94.Rh8+??>, and Rajlich replied <94...Kg1>. This was particularly embarrassing because we were in a sudden death time control with no increment, and I had about ten minutes on my clock to one minute on his. That meant that when I got up and started to bang my head against the wall, I had to do it on my own time. |
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Jun-28-13
| | FSR: <Phony Benoni> Ouch. In my second tournament I had a game that went over 100 moves. I finally won with Q v. bishop pawn on the seventh rank because he didn't know (or find) the drawing/stalemating idea. I can't recall any other game that went 100 moves, let alone 200. |
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| Jun-28-13 | | TheFocus: You guys are lucky then. My 100+ games were in the days of adjournments, so I would have to deal with them for at least three sessions. The next sessions was usually a couple of hours away, so I would grab a nap and a shower. The final session was played out to the end. We had to finish before the next round the next day, so midnight would come and go sitting at the board while the other participants were sleeping. I do not recall ever winning a game following these 100+ers, but usually got draws, although I may have gotten a couple of losses. |
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| Jul-24-13 | | capablancakarpov: Indeed a remarkable game... the longest decisive game of all time with classical time controls... |
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Dec-18-13
 | | GrahamClayton: According to Tim Krabbe's website, this is the 7th longest tournament game ever played: http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records... |
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| Dec-28-13 | | morfishine: <TheFocus> <Phony Benoni> <FSR> I enjoyed very much reading about your long games from the past |
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| Dec-28-13 | | SeanAzarin: <twinlark>, a small correction. Neverov turns 50 in a few months. But you point is well taken. Losing a 210-move game at his age was physically enervating an mentally demoralizing. |
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| Dec-28-13 | | vanderyacht: What happens after 34...Qh3 ? |
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| Dec-28-13 | | Jausch46: I find this kind of wearing out strategy of black unfair, because he seemed to play for a long time without any real plan. The game did not follow a simple maneuvering pattern, which is acceptable, but a lot of random trying moves, the only aim of which has been to let the opponent getting deadly tired. The ending situation could have reached already 100 moves earlier, and then the result would be morally acceptable, but such protracted maneuvering is apprehendable. |
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| Dec-28-13 | | Jausch46: Sorry, I chose the wrong word, not apprehendable, but reprehensible. |
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| Dec-28-13 | | actinia: <capablancakarpov> the length is the only redeeming quality of this game. it is only interesting for this sake. I wouldn't care to play through it or study it otherwise, without independent human analysis or computer analysis |
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Dec-28-13
 | | Penguincw: < vanderyacht: What happens after 34...Qh3 ? > If 34...Qh3 (threatening mate on g2 and h1), then 35.Bxd5 leaves white up a bishop for 2 pawns, instead of just down 2 pawns. It also stops mate. :) |
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| Dec-28-13 | | vanderyacht: But then black plays 35...Rh5 threatening mate with Qh2. I suppose the continuation would be 36 Re1 Qh2+ 37 Kf1 and the attack peters out. |
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| Dec-28-13 | | dhotts: What about the 50 move rule? No pieces were taken from move 59 to 167, that's a 100+ moves, isn't that a draw? |
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| Dec-28-13 | | Jim Bartle: <No pieces were taken from move 59 to 167, that's a 100+ moves, isn't that a draw?> But pawns advanced. |
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