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| Nov-29-13 | | King Sacrificer: I found the game line in about 2 minutes. It must be an accident! |
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| Nov-29-13 | | patzer2: <dakgootje: ... tried to make 10. Nxg6 work> After 10. Nxg6 Nxf4 it looks about equal to me. |
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Nov-29-13
 | | FSR: I missed the gorgeous 11.Nd5! A very beautiful idea that I've never seen before. |
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| Nov-29-13 | | patzer2: Out of curiosity, plugged 10. Nxg6 into the computer. Fritz says Black is winning after both 10. Nxg6 Qxg6  and 10. Nxg6 Nxf4 . Evaluation is about two pawns up for Black in both lines. |
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| Nov-29-13 | | dakgootje: <patzer2>
That's interesting, I thought ..Qxg6 wouldn't work due to 11. Bd3. Which is silly in retrospect. Black has Bg4, Qg4 and Bf5 - all of which could very well work. Ah well, sometimes you win - and sometimes you calculate poorly :) |
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Nov-29-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <Dr J> The Endgame Explorer doesn't index positions like this which are very complex and essentially middlegames. Instead, I've downloaded the entire database into a version of ChessBase which allows searching by the material on the board. Premium members can use a ZipFIle archive, but there are other, more tedious methods, such as downloading the games in each ECO code. |
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Nov-29-13
 | | chrisowen: Ace for one 10.Nxf7 line delve good free deems am,
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| Nov-29-13 | | Patriot: <<dakgootje>: <patzer2> That's interesting, I thought ..Qxg6 wouldn't work due to 11. Bd3. Which is silly in retrospect. Black has Bg4, Qg4 and Bf5 - all of which could very well work.> It's very easy to make that mistake and is something I've been focused on. When I work through a line, no matter the evaluation you really don't know if your main candidate is good or not until you have "stepped back" out of the variation. For instance you examined, 10.Nxg6 Qxg6 11.Bd3 Qf6 12. Qxh5 Qxf4 13. Qxh7#
The evaluation is of course, white wins. So you have to step back in that line to see if black could have tried something else somewhere along the way. The previous move for black is 11...Qf6, so you would then look for something better. I noticed 11...Bf5 12.Bxf5 Qxf5 13.g4 Qg6 as one possibility. If "black wins" at the end of the first try, it doesn't mean you toss the whole line out as bad. Then I would step back to white's previous move, etc. until I've reached move 10... . Only then can you say what the evaluation is. In addition, you don't have to be completely precise. For example, if white wins on move 12 with Nxb7 (which you know because you've examined each of black's responses after that) then you don't need to find something better for white on move 12. You would then go step back to black's previous move and basically try to avoid the winning 12.Nxb7. Because really you are trying to prove the main candidate does not work. Anyway, that's the approach I use but sometimes even with the best attempt you can still miss something. The key though is to look for the critical moves along the way. I've never seen it explained this way anywhere, but I think it's a method that can be practiced and one can improve in this area of calculation. |
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Nov-29-13
 | | offramp: For white to have a position like that before move 10 shows that he she it we you or they have played very well. |
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Nov-29-13
 | | perfidious: <offramp>: I am he as you are he and you are me and we are all together. |
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Nov-29-13
 | | Domdaniel: <john barleycorn> Congratulations on your moustache, which seems to have sprouted overnight. |
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| Nov-29-13 | | john barleycorn: <Domdaniel> it is one of these glue-on things. |
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Nov-29-13
| | Domdaniel: <john barleycorn> That's good to know ... I thought for a moment that you might be entering a LMAJ lookalike contest... |
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| Nov-29-13 | | john barleycorn: <Domdaniel> I had to do it for the "Pensacola got talent" casting...my wife talked me into that...you know I'm still young and we need the money.
Needless to say I came out clear first and now I'm in the position to give something back to my idol...free premium membership for <AJ>...Yipee |
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| Nov-29-13 | | morfishine: Looking at <10...Qxd4> capturing the pawn instead of the Bishop:
10.Nxf7 <10...Qxd4> Black plays for R+2 minors vs 2R 11.Qxd4 Bxd4 12.Bxc7 Rxf7 13.Ne4 Kg7 14.Bxf7 Kxf7 15.Bxb8 Rxb8 16.Rad1 Bb6 17.Ng5+ Kg7 18.Rfe1 e6 19.Nxe6+ Bxe6
20.Rxe6
click for larger viewA case where the 2 rooks are stronger than the R + 2 minors ***** |
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| Nov-29-13 | | dehanne: Any Scandinavian defense players want to comment on the game? Is Nh5 an opening blunder? |
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Nov-29-13
 | | Penguincw: I saw the pretty obvious 10.Nxf7, threatening a discovered check and a double attack on the queen. |
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| Nov-30-13 | | knight knight: Ok I see 10. Nxf7 and then
1) 10... Qxd4?? 11. Ne5+ move 12. Qxd4/Nxc4/Bxd5+
2) 10... Qxf4 11. g3!
2a) 11... Qxd4 12. Ne5+
2b) 11... Qxf7 12. Bxf7+ Rxf7 13. Nd5 white is better?
2c) 11... Qf6 12. Nd5!
2ci) 12... Qxd4 13. Nxe7#
2cii) 12... Qxf7 13. Nxe7+ Kh8 14. Bxf7 Rxf7 15. Nxc8 Nc6 white is better?
2ciii) 12... Qe6 13. Re1 Qd7 14. Nxe7+
Something like that... |
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Nov-30-13
| | Domdaniel: <john barleycorn> If the wife says do it, you do it ... I can understand. I just hope she knows what you're getting into, AJ-wise ... |
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Nov-30-13
| | Domdaniel: <john barleycorn> Oh, and congratulations on your victory. |
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| Nov-30-13 | | john barleycorn: <Domdaniel> she knows but she wants me to be a living legend as well. And I love her - still. So my schedule involves:
how to copy and paste in any software,
make web pages,
do videos (on chess which is not my forte),
go to the Dojo at 4 am,
work on the John Barleycorn position
etc. etc. all at the same time and simultaneously.
But I love her http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdAl... |
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Nov-30-13
| | Domdaniel: <john barleycorn> A living leg-end? Like a *foot*, you mean?
Your legendary aspirations are totally admirable. My regards to Mrs Barleycorn. |
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| Nov-30-13 | | john barleycorn: Thanks <Domdaniel>. Not exactly my aspirations as I follow directions given by Mrs. Barleycorn. She was about to reply to you personally, however, apologies as she is dead drunk now. Not dead. Only drunk. |
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Nov-30-13
| | Domdaniel: <john Barleycorn> Me too, as it happens. Quite a pleasant condition, actually ... cheers! |
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| Nov-30-13 | | john barleycorn: <Domdaniel> cheers and have a good sleep |
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