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Arkadij Naiditsch vs Magnus Carlsen
GRENKE Chess Classic (2015), Baden Baden GER, rd 3, Feb-04
Modern Defense: Standard Defense (B06)  ·  1-0
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Feb-05-15  1971: After 10. exd, is there a model game for Black in this structure? It looks like white has a classic space advantage and black will have to make concessions on the kingside in order to gain counterplay. Carlsen obviously didnt like that option and thought the piece sac/kingside expansion would give him a game, which almost worked. I would say this a dubious opening from black.
Feb-05-15
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  SirRuthless: A speculative sac motivated by Naiditsch's luck comment after his last victory over Magnus. Dubious chess duly punished.
Feb-05-15
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  chancho: The usual suspects are getting a kick out of Carlsen losing this game, but in the end, what has changed?

The Earth still turns on it's axis, Carlsen is still the World Champion, and he still has the highest rating.

Oh, and he won Tata Steel a few weeks ago.

Wouldn't it be funny if he won the Grenke tournament after losing this game?

Feb-05-15
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  keypusher: <1971: After 10. exd, is there a model game for Black in this structure? It looks like white has a classic space advantage and black will have to make concessions on the kingside in order to gain counterplay. Carlsen obviously didnt like that option and thought the piece sac/kingside expansion would give him a game, which almost worked. I would say this a dubious opening from black.>

It's a King's Indian where Black has a kingside pawn majority, White's development is backward, he can't castle safely on either side of the board, and his knight is blocking his c-pawn. As someone who used to play the Pirc, I'd be thrilled to get this position.

This isn't that close, but I just love the final combination.

M Mukhitdinov vs Botvinnik, 1967

Feb-05-15
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  Petrosianic: <Overgod>: <Just remember: W.So. will never become world champion while Carlsen is still a professional chess player.>

How much money have you guaranteed on this, and at what odds?

<Never forget this, Glenn. In fact, you seem to have a poor memory, so I will make sure to remind you as often as I care to respond to your repetitive trolling.>

You'll remind him of your opinion at every opportunity, and see nothing trolling about that. Never mind, I withdraw the first question, as the answer now seems obvious.

Feb-05-15
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  AylerKupp: <chancho> Maybe Carlsen, like at Tata Steel, needs an early loss in order to get motivated. He is only 1/2 point out of 1st place with 4 rounds to go. I'm not saying that he will, but does anyone seriously think that a focused and properly motivated Carlsen is not capable of making up 1/2 point in 4 rounds?

After his reaction to his loss to Naiditsch in the video, I feel a little bit sorry for his next opponents, starting with Anand tomorrow. After all, you don't tug on Superman's cape.

Feb-05-15  azlane: I am a beginning player with what is probably a stupid question regarding move 46 Rf3. Why not go for the fork at f3 with the Knight?
Feb-05-15  bennyvsfischer: i feel that carlsen was disrespectful over naiditsch whit the sac.
Feb-05-15  Overgod: <Petrosianic: <Overgod>: <Just remember: W.So. will never become world champion while Carlsen is still a professional chess player.> How much money have you guaranteed on this, and at what odds?

<Never forget this, Glenn. In fact, you seem to have a poor memory, so I will make sure to remind you as often as I care to respond to your repetitive trolling.>

You'll remind him of your opinion at every opportunity, and see nothing trolling about that. Never mind, I withdraw the first question, as the answer now seems obvious. >

1) I have a bet with Glenny, that W.So. will never become world champion -- period. The bet is: if W.So. does become world champion, I will cease making posts on chessgames.com for the duration of his reign.

2) Selective reading again, as per usual. I never stated I will remind him at every opportunity. I stated that I will remind him at every moment I care to respond to his trolling. Huge difference. Firstly, he has to be trolling, and specifically about Carlsen. Not all his posts are troll posts (although, most are). Second, to keep up with this putz' trolling is a full time job in itself. So I'll remind him (as I clearly stated already) whenever I care to respond to his troll.

Thank you for proving my point again, that you lack basic English comprehension, logical reasoning and common sense.

I'll remind you of this whenever I care to respond to your trolling as well.

Here's the first reminder:

<<Overgod:> I will make sure to remind you as often as I care to respond to your repetitive trolling.>

<Petrosianic> interpretation:

<<Petrosianic:> You'll remind him of your opinion at every opportunity, and see nothing trolling about that.>

Definition of a forum troll (amongst other things): Intentionally or unintentionally (in your case, a bit of both) continue misinterpreting other users' posts and form arguments on the basis of these misinterpretations. Straw man arguments are a troll's bread and butter.

Feb-05-15
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  AylerKupp: <azlane> probably a stupid question regarding move 46 Rf3. Why not go for the fork at f3 with the Knight?


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No question is stupid. But after 46.Nf3 Black easily gets out of the fork with 46...Rg4+. Then White's king has 3 moves:

(1) 47.Kf1. Now 47...Bc5 and White has to worry about Black's h-pawn queening and must play 48.Nh2 to stop it. A possible continuation would be 48...Rg2 49.Rxh3 (forced) Rxf2+ 50.Ke1 g5. Now Black has 2 connected passed pawns ready to march down the board and White's knight is somewhat out of play since 51.Nf3 is met by 51...g5.


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I would think that Black is a little bit better. Stockfish 6 evaluates the position at [-0.43], d=38.

(2). 47.Kh1. Now after 47...Bxf2 48.Rxd6 g5 Black has 3 connected passed pawns.


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But White's pieces are more active than in line (1) above and Black's king is prevented from advancing and supporting the passed pawns so I don't know who stands better, if either player does. Stockfish 6 evaluates the position at [0.00], d=38 since Black has a draw by repetition after 49.Bd3 Rg3 50.Ne5 g4 51.Bxf5 Rg1+ 52.Kh2 Rg2+ 53.Kh1 Rg1+ etc.

(3). 47.Kh2. Probably the most active since White's king threatens to capture Black's advanced h-pawn. After 47...Bxf2 48.Rxd6 g5 Stockfish also evaluates the position at [0.00], d=38 although Black does not have the draw by repetition after 48.Nd2 g5 49.Kxh3 Rg1 50.Kh2 g4 51.Nc4 f4 52.Rd2 Bc5 53.Rg2 Rxg2+ 54.Kxg2


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Black could defend his Pa5 by 54...Bb4 but after 55.Bd7 Black must advance 55...g3 and after 56.Kf3 White has a bind on the light squares which Black can never break so a draw is the likely outcome. Stockfish instead suggests 54...Kg6 (active defense is usually better than passive defense, even at the cost of a pawn) and after 55.Nxa5 f3+ (Black's pawns on light squares work much better with Black's DSB) 56.Kg3 Kg5 57.Bd7 Bb4 58.Bxg4 (if the knight moves, say 58.Nc4, then 58...Bd1+ and the Black pawns will advance. Black will likely win; Stockfish evaluates the position at [-11.78], d=42) 58...Bxa5 59.Kxf3 and this is clearly a draw since either side can give up its bishop for the opponent's pawn.


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So I don't think (with Stockfish's considerable help!) that 46.Nf3 provides White with any winning chances.

Feb-05-15
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  tpstar: <One of the best traits of the current World Champion is that, unlike some of his predecessors often contented with draws, he comes into every game aiming to win it. A trait World Champions after Fischer have often lacked.>

Agree. How refreshing to have an active World Champion who fights to win as Black from Move 1. It wasn't too long ago when we worried about professional chess dying a short draw death. Exhibit A = 21st Linares (2004)

Black certainly got plenty of compensation for the speculative sacrifice, making White convert a sharp endgame.

Feb-05-15  frogbert: It seems like 49... Kf6? was Carlsen's final mistake:


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49... Rf4! offering the exchange of rooks seems to hold in all lines. White can accept this exchange with either 50. Rxf4 or 50. Bxc6, or decline with 50. Rxh3 or 50. Rg3+ (followed by 51. Rxg6) - but in either case black appears to have enough counterplay.

Whether Carlsen was playing for a win at this point and overpressed, or "simply" wasn't able to find the objectively best black defence, is something only the World Champion can shed light on. He spent almost half of his 27 minutes on the fatal mistake 49. Kf6, so lack of time is no explanation.

Stockfish at analysis.sesse.net gives +0.17 for white at 54 plies (66 selective) after 49... Rf4, and it's quite incredible how rich some of the possible lines are. An example (certainly not forced):

50. Rxh3 Rxf2 51. Nc4 f4 52. Nxa5 f3 53. Kg1 Bd4 54. Nc6 Bc5 55. Kh1 Kf4 56. Rh2

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56... Rxh2+ 57. Kxh2 d5 58. a5 g5 59. a6 g4 60. a7

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60... g3+! 61. Kh3 g2 62. a8:Q g1:Q and both players have queened.

Feb-05-15  frogbert: <50. Rxf4 or 50. Bxc6>

That's 50. Bc6 of course.

Feb-05-15  Overgod: @<frogbert>: Thanks for taking the time to go through some of intricacies of this game. Definitely a very interesting game -- but deserving win for Naiditsch. He really played resourcefully and avoided a lot of the pitfalls many other GMs would not have. Daniel King provides a really good and fascinating analysis of this game on chessbase or his channel on youtube.
Feb-06-15
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  iking: 28. Nxe4! Wow! nice combo thereafter ...
Feb-06-15
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  iking: 28. Nxe4! Wow! nice combo thereafter ...
Feb-06-15
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  thegoodanarchist: <Overgod: ...

-- but deserving win for Naiditsch. He really played resourcefully and avoided a lot of the pitfalls>

Naiditsch is having a splendid tournament so far, and may win the whole thing.

Feb-06-15  Nf8: Carlsen talked a bit about this game today after going with Short & Gustafsson over his win vs. Anand. He mentioned that he intended to play 19...Rab8! (instead of Rf7), which should equalize, but avoided it when he saw the idea of 20.Rxg7+ Kxg7 21.Bxf5 (as I suspected during the game - GRENKE Chess Classic (2015)), since he "just couldn't believe there isn't mate" there. One sample line is 21...gxf5 (otherwise White is just much better) 22.Bxf6+ Kxf6 23.Rxh7 f4! 24.Qd3 (threatening, among other things, to win the black queen with Ne4+) 24...Qc1+ 25.Ke2 Rf7! 26.Rh6+ Ke7 27.Qg6 f3+ 28.Kd3 Qf1+ and Black gets a perpetual ("by a miracle," as Kramnik would say if he were White); all his moves here are only moves not to lose.

(http://new.livestream.com/chess24/g... - from about 12:30)

Feb-06-15  Everyone: <Nf8> Thanks for putting Carlsen's talk into written words.
Feb-07-15  kamagong24: even the best players loses from time to time...

i commend Carlsen by playing different openings and not just sticking to the usual openings played at high level tournaments, i will not be surprised if he plays the KING'S GAMBIT at these levels against strong opponents, WIN, LOSE OR DRAW, I WILL SALUTE HIM

Feb-07-15
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  Richard Taylor: Carlsen was naughty and got soundly spanked.
Feb-07-15
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  Richard Taylor: But yes, he tries different ways which makes his games interesting. He isn't obsessed with amassing rating points. Naiditsch did well to defend as well. Good game by Naiditsch in (sometimes fome complexities).
Feb-08-15  pinoy king: Carlsen is the king of coffeehouse tricks
Aug-13-15
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  whiteshark: Naiditsch's comments (with Jan & Nigel): http://livestream.com/chess24/grenk...
Oct-17-15  Everett: In this game and others, I see more playfulness and seeking of a more interesting game rather than disrespect. In a way, it is a bit of Bronstein-like behavior.
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