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| Feb-14-04 | | Catfriend: Because now many players hate playing for draw, no matter the color |
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| Feb-14-04 | | marcus13: Look at the % of draw in recent tournament and you will see that the often play for draw. |
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| Feb-14-04 | | Catfriend: No, you didn't understand me.. They maybe get draws, but they mostly don't choose a drawing opening. And on the top the lack of castle DOES influence |
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| Feb-14-04 | | marcus13: Let conclude that I put it on Fritz and he gave o.59 for white. |
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| Feb-14-04 | | drukenknight: after dxe5 the exchange of Q should be very bad for black. I disagree that taking the Q off the board will help black by decreasing attacking possibilities. For one thing, Lasker won a good deal from such games. Secondly, think about chess, it is always one tiny mistake you make. You dont need Qs on the board to make a small positional error. In fact, you will safer but probably be less careful. I will do an opening explorer search (Nice feature!) and see what I can find on this.. |
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| Feb-14-04 | | Taidanii: I guess it's just me, but I really don't think the indian without a black fianchetto is the way to go. |
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| Feb-14-04 | | drukenknight: black seems to do amazingly well in that 4 dxe5 line w/ Q exchange, beats me. |
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| Feb-15-04 | | PVS: Bronstein played the black side of this opening for over fifty years and posted a plus score. |
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| Feb-15-04 | | Catfriend: Yep, one of the things I based my words on. And computers rarely give black objective judgement in such positions. |
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| Feb-15-04 | | drukenknight: in one of the databases, (chesslab.com) I think black had won 6 out of 7 or something. The best was a correspondence game that is not in this data base but I will email the administrator. Definitely worth studying this. I think the main line is 4....e4 5 Nc2 |
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| Feb-15-04 | | refutor: <<drukenknight>Secondly, think about chess, it is always one tiny mistake you make. > you must be a much stronger player than me DK, i'm still worried about the big mistakes as opposed to the tiny mistakes ;) |
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| Feb-15-04 | | drukenknight: clearly 4 dxe5 is my mistake. |
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| May-08-06 | | gauer: this looks like a good way of transposing into a king-pawn opening for black if white is known to play 1 d4 or c4 or Nf3. I prefer 1 ... d6 to 1 ... Nf6 if I know that white is also not an early (e|f)4 player. black can threaten to push an eventual ... e4, the diagonal open to develop the bishop to f5 or g4 (or possibly B(d7?!->c6) to encourage white d5, and retreat to Bd7). he may also get Nbd7, Be7, Nf8, Ng6, as in some Philidor lines, without committing to the Spanish tempo loss variation with Nc6->b8->d7. the exchange line dxe5 doesn't look too scary for black, and is not likely the critical line to squish black with. exd4 may be useful in some lines, but more critical tests are needed to decide whether white should initiate the dxe, or play the push d5, or keep the tension up for later by allowing the dxe4 pawn contact. i don't think black needs to take right away, and a white e4 like a way to avoid the black e4 push, so possibly a Kings Indian is still possible, but here, the bishop isn't committed to a fianchettoed blocked white centre, if he so chooses. |
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| Sep-17-07 | | get Reti: <DK> Yeah, what about 4..e4? It seems pretty good as black now stops an e4. |
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| Mar-18-09 | | just a kid: What about 4.dxe5 dxe5 5.Qc2.I have played this with success. |
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| Mar-18-09 | | chessman95: <just a kid> I don't know, it seems better to exchange queens with a better endgame. In the 5.Qc2 line, it seems that after 5...Bc5 black has an easy game and probably the advantage. After the exchange of queens and the nice pin on g5 white has (at least) a slight advantage. |
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| Mar-19-09 | | just a kid: after 5...Bc5 White can still get in 6.Bg5. |
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| Mar-20-09 | | chessman95: I can't find anything wrong with what you said, I was just using computer analysis for this one. It gave black the adv after Qc2 and white the adv after an exchange. Experience probably plays the biggest factor in this line though... |
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| Oct-01-09 | | deputy1: I am playing a e-mail game against a German player named Andreas Weinrich
here are the moves:
1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 d6 3 Nc3 g6 4 Nf3 Bg7 5 e4 0-o 6 h3 c6 7 Be3 What is the best way to continue i think it may have transposed into a KID |
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| Oct-01-09 | | NBZ: From my experience on the white side dxe5 dxe5 Qxd8 Kxd8 leads to an ending which is easier to play for black. The loss of castling rights is relatively unimportant, black will soon play c6 followed by Kd7-c8 anyway. A much more important feature of the position is the white pawn on c4, which weakens his q-side and gives black some nice dark squares to play with. Objectively it's still nothing special for black, but practically (since white will often be pushing for a win) black can expect to win a lot of games if queens are exchanged. |
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Mar-10-11
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Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation
1. d4 ♘f6 2.c4 d6 3.♘c3 e5 4.♘f3 |
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Mar-27-12
| | Penguincw: Opening of the Day
Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4.Nf3
1.d4 ♘f6 2.c4 d6 3.♘c3 e5 4.♘f3
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| Oct-15-13 | | Kikoman: <Opening of the Day> Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4. Nf3
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 e5 4. Nf3
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| Jan-03-23 | | Messiah: I wonder if russian pigs get imprisoned if they play this line. |
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| Nov-09-23 | | uzeromay: Why is the famous Polugaevsky - Nezhmetdinov 1958 game classified here as A54 when 4. Nf3 isn’t played? Shouldn’t it be A53 instead? In fact, Ne2 is what white eventually plays… |
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