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Mar-12-19
 | | jnpope: <<Z>: ...the question is how to notate it properly> A good question. For human notation it would be trivial, K+destination square, hyphen, R+destination square, such as 4.Kh1-Re1, the king's direction of movement indicates which rook gets moved. It would probably require a little tweaking of a move parser to recognize it being a free castling move for a basic PGN reader. I have no idea how easy it would be to expanded database software that is tied to a chess engine with the additional free castling logic. |
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Mar-12-19
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
Good evening.
I'm hoping steamed colleagues might shed light on a few vexing mysteries, concerning the <Sverdlovsk 1942 National Tournament >. All of the games from this event have been published on both 365Chess.com and Rusbase, and I am attempting to create a <Tournament Index> page for them at cg.com. Game Collection: Sverdlovsk 1942 National Tournament The first mystery concerns this game:
A Poliak vs Boleslavsky, 1942 According to 365Chess.com, Abram Borisovich Poliak played this game: [Event "Sverdlovsk"]
[Site "Sverdlovsk"]
[Date "1942.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Poliak, Abram Borisovich"]
[Black "Mikenas, Vladas"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[ECO "C88"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. a4 Bb7 9. axb5 axb5 10. Rxa8 Bxa8 11. Nc3 Na5 12. Ba2 b4 13. Nd5 b3 14. Nxf6+ Bxf6 15. cxb3 d5 16. d4 dxe4 17. Nxe5 Nc6 18. Nxc6 Bxc6 19. Be3 Bd5 20. Bb1 Be7 21. Bf4 f5 22. Bc2 Bb4 23. Bd2 Qb8 24. Bxb4 Qxb4 25. Re3 f4 26. Rc3 c6 27. h3 Rf6 28. Qd2 Qe7 29. Bd1 Qf7 30. Be2 f3 31. Bc4 Rg6 32. Bf1 Rxg2+ 0-1 https://www.365chess.com/tournament... ============
But according to Rusbase, Evsey Poliak played this game: [Event "Tournament"]
[Site "Sverdlovsk (Russia)"]
[Date "1942.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Poliak Evsey"]
[Black "Mikenas Vladas (LTU)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C88"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
[Remark ""]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3
O-O 8.a4 Bb7 9.axb5 axb5 10.Rxa8 Bxa8 11.Nc3 Na5 12.Ba2 b4 13.Nd5
b3 14.Nxf6+ Bxf6 15.cxb3 d5 16.d4 dxe4 17.Nxe5 Nc6 18.Nxc6 Bxc6
19.Be3 Bd5 20.Bb1 Be7 21.Bf4 f5 22.Bc2 Bb4 23.Bd2 Qb8 24.Bxb4
Qxb4 25.Re3 f4 26.Rc3 c6 27.h3 Rf6 28.Qd2 Qe7 29.Bd1 Qf7 30.Be2
f3 31.Bc4 Rg6 32.Bf1 Rxg2+ 0-1
http://al20102007.narod.ru/nat_tour... ###################
The second mystery concerns this game:
Boleslavsky vs Peter Ivanov, 1942 According to 365Chess.com, Peter Ivanov played this game. [Event "Sverdlovsk"]
[Site "Sverdlovsk"]
[Date "1942.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Boleslavsky, Isaak"]
[Black "Ivanov, Peter"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[ECO "C60"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. Nc3 Nd4 5. Ba4 Bg7 6. d3 c6 7. O-O Ne7 8. Nxd4 exd4 9. Ne2 O-O 10. Bb3 d6 11. Bd2 Bg4 12. h3 Bd7 13. Qc1 Be6 14. Bh6 Bxb3 15. axb3 c5 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. Qd2 Qd7 18. b4 Rfc8 19. Ng3 f6 20. f4 Qb5 21. bxc5 dxc5 22. f5 Nc6 23. h4 Rf8 24. fxg6 hxg6 25. h5 g5 26. Rf5 Ne7 27. Rf2 Qd7 28. e5 Qg4 29. exf6+ Rxf6 30. Rxf6 Kxf6 31. Rf1+ Ke6 32. Ne4 Nf5 33. Nxc5+ Kf6 34. Qe1 Rf8 35. Nd7+ 1-0 https://www.365chess.com/tournament... ===
But according to Rusbase, <G.Ivanov> played this game. <G. Ivanov> is listed on the Rusbase tournament page http://al20102007.narod.ru/nat_tour... , although the downloaded Rusbase pgn lists only <Ivanov> as the player: [Event "Tournament"]
[Site "Sverdlovsk (Russia)"]
[Date "1942.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Boleslavsky Isaak (BLA)"]
[Black "Ivanov"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C60"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
[Remark ""]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 g6 4.Nc3 Nd4 5.Ba4 Bg7 6.d3 c6 7.O-O
Ne7 8.Nxd4 exd4 9.Ne2 O-O 10.Bb3 d6 11.Bd2 Bg4 12.h3 Bd7 13.Qc1
Be6 14.Bh6 Bxb3 15.axb3 c5 16.Bxg7 Kxg7 17.Qd2 Qd7 18.b4 Rfc8
19.Ng3 f6 20.f4 Qb5 21.bxc5 dxc5 22.f5 Nc6 23.h4 Rf8 24.fxg6
hxg6 25.h5 g5 26.Rf5 Ne7 27.Rf2 Qd7 28.e5 Qg4 29.exf6+ Rxf6 30.Rxf6
Kxf6 31.Rf1+ Ke6 32.Ne4 Nf5 33.Nxc5+ Kf6 34.Qe1 Rf8 35.Nd7+ 1-0 #######################
I have tried to find information on both these mysteries on google, but I have had no luck. There don't seem to be Wikipedia pages in any language for these (4??) players, but I am far from the best "googler" to be honest. If anyone can help with these mysteries, I would greatly appreciate it. |
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| Mar-12-19 | | Paint My Dragon: <Tab: It may take a while perhaps, will give it a little rest.> Take your time. Hibernation is a wonderful thing and Spring will be here soon enough! A few paraphrased notes:
<Corus A, 2001: Category 19. Average Elo 2710, Jan 13-28.This year the organisers announced that the event was the biggest chess festival in the world, with 1000 players from 24 countries. The population of Wijk aan Zee is only about 1800. Held at the De Moriaan Centre. The building had been extended to allow for a larger commentary room, such is the popularity of the event with the Dutch fans. The tournament was officially opened at the nearby steelworks in Ijmuiden. Company director Franswillem Briet described how proud he was to maintain the tradition (- this was the 63rd edition) despite the company going through a difficult period. He spoke of gloomy business forecasts and of the many job redundancies already incurred. There was some speculation in the chess community that the 64th Edition may be the last, as nothing had been guaranteed beyond that. However, the gloom soon lifted at the prospect of seeing two world champions, the world number one, and the rest of the top ten, all in the same tournament. As Anand and Kramnik were the holders of the FIDE and Braingames world titles, Kasparov was somewhat ‘out in the cold’, but still world number one on rating. A late convert to the tournament, this was his third successive visit. No-one had ever won three in a row, and so, on the eve of the tournament, Kasparov boldly announced “Okay, let’s see what we can do about that”. His round 1 win against Tiviakov won him the 500 guilder ‘Spectator’s Prize’ for game of the day … -CHESS magazine, April 2001, pp. 4-24> 2001 Jan. 'A'. Corus. Wijk aan Zee NED (Cat.19) - Kasparov 9/13, Anand 8.5, Kramnik, Ivanchuk 8, Adams, Morozevich, Shirov 7.5, Leko 6.5, Topalov 5.5, Fedorov, Van Wely 5, Piket, Tiviakov 4.5, Timman 4 (14) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx- <Corus A, 2002: At the De Moriaan CentreThere were many high profile absentees, most notably the mighty triumvirate of Kasparov, Kramnik and Anand. Not a great outcome when you consider Kasparov’s encouraging words at last year’s closing ceremony – “this is a tournament rich in tradition – we all have to do our bit to make sure it continues after its natural chess birthday of the 64th edition.” Anand declined well in advance, as he wanted to focus on defending his world title. Kramnik pulled out when it looked like his 'Brains in Bahrain' Deep Fritz challenge match would clash (- it was subsequently delayed though). On the eve of the tournament, Kasparov had to withdraw on medical grounds, due to a viral infection. Ponomariov and Ivanchuk were also absent.
Finding replacements was a big headache, but there was at least some good news when Rauke Henstra, CEO of Corus Netherlands, announced a new sponsorship deal that would keep the event going for at least another 3 years. With a weakened field, the Dutch Press turned their attention to home talent Loek Van Wely as a possible winner, but in the pairings draw he was given number 13 and this proved to be an unlucky omen. He crashed to his worst ever performance, losing 7 games and finishing last. Bareev took the first prize of 10k Euros, when his final round opponent Kasimdzhanov lost his way in a promising position, unleashing a speculative piece sacrifice that didn’t work out. Bareev opened his speech at the prize-giving ceremony with the line “First of all I’d like to thank Kramnik … for not being here”. Teenager Alexander Grischuk took second place …
-CHESS magazine, April 2002, pp. 33-37> 2002 Jan. 'A'. Corus. Wijk aan Zee NED (Cat.18) - Bareev 9/13, Grischuk 8.5, Adams, Morozevich 8, Khalifman 7.5, Leko 7, Dreev, Gelfand, Piket, Lautier, Timman 6, M.Gurevich 5.5, Kasimdzhanov 4.5, Van Wely 3 (14) |
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| Mar-12-19 | | Paint My Dragon: <Jess>
I'd probably take some comfort from Di Felice having a credible sounding source for this tournament (even though it's a bit of a mouthful) <Rolf Voland: Stratagen im Hinterland Das UdSSR-Schach 1941-45> In which case, it should be G Ivanov (although Gaige hasn't heard of him) and Evsey Isaakovich Poliak. Both Poliaks played in a similar timeframe so once again, Gaige provides no clinching evidence, sadly. |
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| Mar-13-19 | | zanzibar: <The first successful test for George Iliwitsky already as a candidate for the master of sports was an exemplary tournament in Sverdlovsk, which was held right at the height of the Great Patriotic War, in 1942. Five masters of sports and six candidates for masters took part in it. In addition to Ilivitsky, Sverdlovsk was also represented by I. Boleslavsky, G. Bastrikov and G. Ivanov. Following several tense days of struggle, Iliwicki finished a step away from the prize podium, dividing fourth to seventh places in the standings with Boleslavsky, Mikenas and Vistanzkis> Fragment of the book by A. Terentyev and K. Bronnikov “History of Chess of Yekaterinburg” http://ruchess.ru/news/report/pervy... G. Ivanov |
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Mar-13-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Starring Lee Marvin in a full-on singing role> That is very helpful, thank you. There are many mistakes in <Di Felice>, though the ones <chesshistoryinterest> found in our project so far seem to involve cases in which the original source is not given by Di Felice, if I remember correctly. At the present moment, one original source listing- <Rolf Voland: Stratagen im Hinterland Das UdSSR-Schach 1941-45> is likely the best bet to go on. Sadly, there doesn't appear to be a tournament book. Possibly other steamed colleagues may be able to find corroboration. I'll wait on that before submitting any correction slips. |
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Mar-13-19
 | | Tabanus: <PMD> Brilliant, thanks! There's also a travel report by Lars Grahn in TfS, see Game Collection: Corus Group A 2001 |
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| Mar-13-19 | | N0B0DY: <jessicafischerqueen / Свердловск 1942>
Are there any infos in <Andris Fride: Vladimirs Petrovs. A chessplayer's story from greatness to the gulags. Caissa Editions. Yorklyn 2004, ISBN 0-939433-61-3.> a book you might own? |
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Mar-13-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Nobody> I do have that book, but all it has on the topic is a cross table with only the last names of the players listed. |
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| Mar-13-19 | | N0B0DY: https://web.archive.org/web/2012052... names them <Poliak,Abram>* and <Ivanov,Peter>. * http://ruchess.ru/news/report/zhert... also names him <Абрам Поляк>. |
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Mar-13-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Thank you <Nobody>. But what's needed is an actual primary source, not just unsourced web articles. At present we have only one such source listing: <Rolf Voland: Stratagen im Hinterland Das UdSSR-Schach 1941-45>. The best source listing would be from a contemporaneous newspaper/journal, or such a listing as close to the actual date as possible. I have just purchased a copy of <Rolf Voland: Stratagen im Hinterland Das UdSSR-Schach 1941-45> now, which should arrive in a week or so: https://www.amazon.com/Strategen-im... |
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Mar-13-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Nobody> This web page you list isn't bad- http://ruchess.ru/news/report/zhert... , but it is sourced mainly to Sergei Voronkov's article, Fride's biography, and also the reminiscences of his wife, Galina Petrova- all of which I have. All three sources are valuable, but both the Fride and Galina Petrova volumes are also peppered with mistakes, mainly on the topic of actual chess history details- crosstables, location and dates of events, what titles Petrovs achieved, and when, and so forth. Many of the mistakes in these volumes were corrected only through the work of <hemy> and <chesshistoryinterest>, who dug up dozens upon dozens of contemporaneous reports from newspapers/journals. The full record of their efforts can be seen in the Kibbutzing here: Vladimir Petrov An alphabetical list of their sources can be seen at the very bottom of this games collection here: Game Collection: Vladimirs Petrovs Tournaments/Matches 1923-1942 The cg.com <Petrovs> biography has since incorporated many of the corrections discovered by the work of <hemy> and <chesshistoryinterest>. |
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Mar-13-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Once my copy of <Rolf Voland: Stratagen im Hinterland Das UdSSR-Schach 1941-45> arrives, I will be able to examine which source listings that Rolf Voland used to write this volume. My Amazon "orders robot" informs me <Arriving Mar 28 - Apr 12> |
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Mar-13-19
| | Tabanus: Q: http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/46/c1/2..., who is this? |
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Mar-13-19
| | jnpope: Yasser Seirawan? |
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| Mar-13-19 | | technical win: Yes, Sir! |
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Mar-13-19
| | Tabanus: Yes, I found it at http://www.chessdiagonals.ch/402840.... There are some really good pictures there for the CG player pages. Such as http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/46/c1/2... :) |
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| Mar-13-19 | | zanzibar: <Tab> what's the copyright issues/permissions? |
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Mar-14-19
| | Tabanus: No idea. |
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Mar-14-19
 | | Telemus: <jessicafischerqueen> Voland covers Sverdlovsk 1942 on six pages. Extensive text covering the winter 1941/42 in Sverdlovsk, whereto several chess masters had been evacuated, and five games. He mentions a rare tournament bulletin (three issues, complete title in his list of references). The two players in question are named "G. Iwanow" and "J. Poljak" in the crosstable. The latter appears also in the text, where he is in a list of three 'strong master candidates', the others being Poltoranov and Bastrikov. |
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Mar-14-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Nobody>, <z>, <Telemus> Thanks very much gentlemen, that's most helpful. |
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| Mar-14-19 | | hemy: <JFQ> Games of Abram Borisovich Poliak played in Sverdlovsk 1942 tournament on Internet Chess: Poliak - Ilivitzki:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Poliak - Boleslavsky:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Sokolsky - Poliak:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Vistaneckis - Poliak:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Poltoranov - Poliak:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Poliak - Ragozin:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Poliak - Petrovs:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Ivanov - Poliak:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... Bastrikov - Poliak:
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... The only game with Evsei Poliak:
Evsei (???) Poliak - Mikenas (Estonia ???)
http://www.ichessbase.com/icbgame.a... The article of Dmitri Kriavkin on the Russian chess federation website includes Abram Poliak in the list of players of Sverdlovsk 1942:
"Исаак Болеславский, Вячеслав Рагозин, Владимир Петров, Владас Микенас, Георгий Бастриков, Алексей Сокольский, Абрам Поляк, Георгий Иливицкий." |
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Mar-14-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<hemy> Welcome back! Thank you very much for this valuable information. |
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Mar-16-19
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Good afternoon.
We are trying to continue the rehabilitation of the ill-starred career of Vladimir Petrov , and I wonder if anyone can help me find out how to get ahold of the following publications? <Andrew Soltis> tells me these volumes all contain valuable information about the Latvian Grandmaster: Shakhmatny Vestnik, No. 8, 1993
Shakhmaty v SSSR, No. 2, 1989
Shakhmaty v SSSR, No. 9, 1990
64, No. 7, 1989
Shakhmaty, Nos.18-19, 1989 |
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