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Vladimir Petrov
Vladimir Petrov 
 
Number of games in database: 188
Years covered: 1922 to 1942

Overall record: +79 -49 =59 (58.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1 exhibition game, blitz/rapid, odds game, etc. is excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Queen's Pawn Game (14) 
    D02 D05 D04 E00 A45
 Slav (9) 
    D15 D17 D12 D11
 Catalan (9) 
    E02 E01 E06
 Sicilian (7) 
    B63 B25 B40 B80 B62
 Nimzo Indian (6) 
    E46 E33 E44 E49 E47
 Queen's Gambit Declined (5) 
    D30 D06 D31
With the Black pieces:
 French Defense (17) 
    C10 C11 C18 C01 C05
 Sicilian (14) 
    B74 B84 B58 B70 B56
 Queen's Pawn Game (12) 
    D02 D04 A40 A46 E00
 Nimzo Indian (8) 
    E34 E23 E37 E22
 French (8) 
    C10 C11 C13 C00
 Slav (7) 
    D19 D10 D15 D16 D13
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Vladimir Petrov vs Alekhine, 1938 1-0
   Vladimir Petrov vs R Grau, 1939 1-0
   Rellstab vs Vladimir Petrov, 1937 0-1
   Vladimir Petrov vs V Mikenas, 1939 1-0
   K Treybal vs Vladimir Petrov, 1933 0-1
   K Richter vs Vladimir Petrov, 1936 1/2-1/2
   G Page vs Vladimir Petrov, 1933 0-1
   Stahlberg vs Vladimir Petrov, 1938 0-1
   Vladimir Petrov vs Fine, 1937 1-0
   Vladimir Petrov vs Alekhine, 1939 1/2-1/2

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Rosario (1939)
   Kemeri (1937)
   Margate (1938)
   Semmering/Baden (1937)
   Podebrady (1936)
   USSR Championship (1940)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Vladimirs Petrovs Tournaments/Matches 1923-1942 by jessicafischerqueen
   Vladimirs Petrovs Chess Biography by jessicafischerqueen
   Lodz 1938 (Petrov's games) by jessicafischerqueen
   Buenos Aires Olympiad 1939 (Petrov's games) by jessicafischerqueen
   Munich Unofficial Olympiad 1936 (Petrovs' games) by jessicafischerqueen
   Margate 1938 by sneaky pete
   Prague Olympiad 1931 (Petrov's games) by jessicafischerqueen
   Rosario 1939 by Tabanus
   Stockholm Olympiad 1937 (Petrov's games) by jessicafischerqueen
   Folkstone Olympiad 1933 (Petrov's games) by jessicafischerqueen


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VLADIMIR PETROV
(born Sep-27-1907, died Aug-26-1943, 35 years old) Latvia

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Vladimir Petrov (Latvian spelling: Vladimirs Petrovs) was born in Riga, Latvia, on 27th September 1907 (some sources list 1908 as the birth year).* Although he joined the ranks of the world chess elite in 1937, he is perhaps less well known than he should be, due to his being arrested by the NKVD in 1942 and imprisoned for the rest of his life.(1) He was subsequently expunged from Soviet chess history. Most of his colleagues in the Soviet bloc, with the notable exceptions of Alexander Koblents and Paul Keres, avoided publishing his games, or even mentioning his name in public.(2) Consequently, little was heard about Petrovs in the west until long after his career and life had ended. The political turmoil of the USSR kept him from being as well known as he deserved. He notched a lifetime 50% score against both Alexander Alekhine and Jose Raul Capablanca, and defeated an impressive list of international masters including Alekhine, Keres, Samuel Reshevsky, Reuben Fine, Rudolf Spielmann, Isaac Boleslavsky, Gideon Stahlberg, Savielly Tartakower, Grigory Levenfish, Erich Eliskases, Vladas Mikenas, Karel Treybal, Georgy Lisitsin, Vladimir Andreevich Makogonov, and Alexander Kotov.

Genesis of a Master

Petrovs' father ran a modest cobbler's shop in Riga, while his mother worked as a housekeeper. In 1919 Petrovs was accepted at the prestigious Lomonosov High School, where he received a first rate liberal arts education. In that same year, the streets of Riga were barricaded as nationalists fought Bolshevik and German armies to retain Latvian independence, which had been declared in 1918. Such concerns seemed far from Petrovs' mind, however, as he enjoyed a vibrant school life centered largely around music, soccer, and gambling at cards with his friends. He and his friends grew bored with cards, and were introduced to chess by Viktors Rosenbergs , who offered to help hone their skills. Petrovs soon challenged him to a 100 game chess match, which he ultimately won. In 1923 he won the school championship and joined the Riga-2 chess club, and a year later went on to win the reserves section of the first Latvian Chess Congress earning the first category title. His optimism and spark in almost everything he tried earned him the nickname "Successful like Petka," and he was indeed successful in gaining admission to the Riga School of Jurisprudence in 1925, although he wouldn't graduate for another 16 years. In 1926 he won the strong Riga City Championship, which prompted him to devote almost all of his time to a quest to become a chess master.

Chess Olympian

Setting law books aside, Petrovs instead immersed himself in the games of Latvia's strongest players, Hermanis Karlovich Mattison and Fricis Apsenieks. In his own games he favored Mattisons' positional style, and soon became an expert at knowing exactly when to trade down to a winning endgame, a characteristic he would retain throughout his career. His star rose quickly as he finished shared 2nd in the 1926 Latvian Chess Congress, and earned his Latvian master title by winning the 1930-1931 Latvian Chess Congress. Petrovs played 3rd board for Latvia at the inaugural FIDE Chess Olympiad at The Hague 1928, and went on to play for Latvia in all the Chess Olympiads up to 1939, garnering a gold medal on 3rd board at Prague 1931, and a bronze medal on 1st board at Buenos Aires 1939. He won his first Latvian Championship in 1930, and tied Apsenieks in the 1934 edition. Petrovs had his heart set on playing 1st board for the Olympic team, so instead of a playoff match to decide the Latvian championship, Petrovs struck a deal with Apsenieks: he would concede the title in exchange for 1st board in all subsequent Chess Olympiads.

Joining the Elite

Petrovs won another Latvian championship in 1935, and gave a creditable performance on 1st board at the Warsaw 1935 Olympiad, scoring 55% and defeating both the Lithuanian and Argentine champions, Vladas Mikenas and Roberto Grau. On the strength of these results, Petrovs was invited to his first major international tournament, the Czech Championship in Podebrady (1936). Despite a disappointing 10th place finish, Petrovs was included in another top event, this time in his home city of Riga. At Kemeri (1937) he stunned the chess world by finishing shared 1st with Reshevsky and Salomon Flohr, ahead of both Alekhine and Keres. Reshevsky and Flohr decided that it was most fitting that Petrovs should accept the tournament prize from Latvian president Karlis Ulmanis. In addition, he was also awarded a silver cup donated by the Aron Nimzowitsch family, honoring the "best result by a Latvian against a foreign master" for this brilliancy with the black pieces- Rellstab vs Vladimir Petrov, 1937. Petrovs also earned the title of Grandmaster, due to a widely recognized convention in European chess at this time that if a home town player won a tournament in which at least six foreign Grandmasters participated, then that player would also be recognized as a Grandmaster. Petrovs' surprise victory at Kemeri created a stir among European chess journals, which then began referring to him as a "Latvian Grandmaster."(3) He also received laudatory notices from prominent peers such as Max Euwe, Emanuel Lasker and Alexander Alekhine.

More invitations to premier events were forthcoming, but Petrovs lacked consistency at the top level and he logged uneven international results from 1937-1939. He finished dead last at Semmering/Baden (1937) against a very tough field, featuring Capablanca, Keres, Fine, Reshevsky and Flohr. Petrovs fared much better at Talinn 1938 in the Latvia-Estonia team match, leading his side to victory by defeating Keres 1.5-.5 on first board. He then finished a respectable third at Margate (1938), surprising Alekhine by almost checkmating him in the middle of the board- Vladimir Petrov vs Alekhine, 1938. After disappointing his Latvian fans with a dismal eighth place at Kemeri 1939, Petrovs rebounded yet again with a bronze medal performance on 1st board at the Buenos Aires 1939 Olympiad. He scored 71% without losing a game, prompting Harry Golombek to remark "Petrov played the best chess at Buenos Aires."

Life as a Soviet Master

Shortly after a harrowing return journey from Buenos Aires through mine-filled seas, the Olympic bronze medalist was faced with a new challenge. Not only was Europe at war, but in 1940 the Soviet Union invaded Latvia and established a puppet communist government. No more would Latvia field Olympic teams, and Petrovs was no longer allowed to participate as an organizer of Latvian chess events. At first, however, Petrovs was guardedly optimistic about this upheaval. Although he had always been dubious and wary about the Bolshevik life in Russia, he and his wife Galina had long been members of what might be termed Latvia's Russian cultural intelligentsia. Though both considered themselves Latvian, they were steeped in Russian music, literature, theatre, and dance, and frequently attended such cultural events in Riga. Even better, after Latvia became the Latvian SSR (Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic), Petrovs was awarded the title of Soviet master and seeded into the 12th USSR Championship (1940). Petrovs did well to finish in the middle of the field, behind future world champions Mikhail Botvinnik and Vasily Smyslov, but ahead of Grigory Levenfish, who had won the 1937 USSR Championship, and Alexander Kotov, who had finished 2nd in the 1939 Championship. In addition, he defeated both Levenfish and Kotov in their individual games. Petrovs also drew both of the event's co-winners, Andre Lilienthal and Igor Bondarevsky.

On his return to Riga to rejoin his family and play in the inaugural Latvian Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR) Championship, Petrovs found his wife worrying about the current Bolshevik regime. She reported that availability of food and other materials in Riga was already scarce, and even worse, local government purges and general deportations were well underway. Petrovs, now employed by the Soviet TASS news agency, had experienced no particular trouble during his trip to Russia, and he tried to assuage her fears. Nonetheless, as he left again for the USSR Championship Semi-finals in Rostov-on-Don, she pressed a photo of herself and their child into his palm for "good luck." He never saw either of them again. After six rounds of the Semi-finals had been completed, in Petrovs' section only Alexander Kazimirovich Tolush had a better score, and it seemed that he was destined to qualify for his second USSR Championship.(4) However, the Semi-final was abandoned on 23 June 1941 when news reached the tournament that the Germans had invaded the Soviet Union. There was a mad rush as the players attempted to reach home. Petrovs, accompanied by Latvian chess colleagues Alexander Koblents and Janis Fride, was halted at a customs station near Abrene, in the Latvian district of Latgale. They were informed that they could travel no further, as the German army had already overrun Latvia. Petrovs was forced to return to Moscow, but soon left for Gorky to volunteer in the Russian-Latvian Rifle Division. He was summoned back to Moscow in the winter of 1941, where he finished second to Isaak Mazel, ahead of Vasily Panov and Vladimir Alatortsev in the Moscow City Championship. Petrovs then took a position as Assistant Commandant in the Moscow council "Dynamo," devoted to organizing logistics and defense in a city many feared would soon be under siege. Despite the German advance into the heart of Russia, however, the Soviet Chess Section still managed to keep organizing tournaments. At the Moscow national tournament in 1942 Petrovs finished 2nd behind Bondarevsky, ahead of Alatortsev, Mikenas, and Panov. Evacuated to Sverdlosk in 1942, Petrov competed in another national tournament, finishing second to Viacheslav Ragozin, ahead of Alexey Sokolsky, Boleslavsky, and Georgy Ilivitsky.

Gulag

Characteristically, Petrovs had a habit of speaking frankly to friends and colleagues about his impressions of life in Soviet Latvia and Russia, some of which were critical of the Bolshevik regime. According to both Galina Petrova and Russian historian Sergey Voronkov, three fellow chess masters denounced Petrovs to the authorities.(5) After Sverdlovsk, Vladas Mikenas recalls that he expected to see Petrovs participate at the next major tournament in Kuibishev, but he never showed up. On August 31, 1942, Petrovs was arrested and questioned for two weeks in Moscow at Lubyanka prison for violating "Article 58," a catch-all law that forbade any kind of anti-Soviet statements or activities. He was subsequently transferred to Moscow's notorious Butyrka jail for a further five months of detention and interrogation. On February 3, 1943 Petrovs was sentenced to ten years in Vorkuta Gulag for criticizing decreased living standards in Latvia after the Soviet annexation of 1940. According to a death certificate released by the KGB in 1989, Petrov died of pneumonia in, or en route to, the gulag on August 26, 1943.(5)

Rehabilitation

Galina Petrova lost contact with her husband in 1942, and spent the rest of her life trying to find out what happened to him. Galina was given conflicting reports of his arrest and detention, so she moved to Siberia in an attempt to find any record he had been at a gulag. After Stalin's death in 1953, Nikita Khrushchev rehabilitated the names of thousands who had died during "The Terror," but the conviction against Petrovs was upheld. It would not be until the era of Glasnost that Mikhail Gorbachev finally rehabilitated Vladimir Petrovs' name with an official pardon in March 1989.

Notes

(*) There are conflicting sources on the birth year of Vladimirs Petrovs. The Russian Wikipedia article, for example, gives *both* 1907 and 1908 as the birth year: Wikipedia article: %D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2, %D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80 %D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 (%D1%88%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82) In the kibbitzing section below, you can read a detailed account of which sources favor which birth year.

(1) The NKVD (Peoples Commissariat for Internal Affairs) was a predecessor of the KGB.

(2) Andris Fride <Vladimirs Petrovs: A Chessplayer's Story - From Greatness to the Gulags>, Caissa Editions, 2004.

(3) Vladimir Dedkov, ed. <Star Extinguished Before its Time> Riga, 2008

(4) At Rostov-on-Don 1941, the USSR Championship semifinal was organized into four separate sections. When the tournament abruptly ended, Petrov sat second in his section, a half point behind Tolush.

(5) Alexei Shirov, with Sergey Voronkov and Vladimir Dedkov <"Restoring the Annals of Latvian Chess History"> (ru) http://chess-news.ru/node/5341

Sources

Andris Fride <Vladimirs Petrovs: A Chessplayer's Story - From Greatness to the Gulags>, Caissa Editions, 2004.

Vladimir Dedkov, ed. <Star Extinguished Before its Time> Riga, 2008

Sergey Grodzensky <The Lubyanka Gambit>, Olympia Press, Moscow 2004

Alexei Shirov, with Sergey Voronkov and Vladimir Dedkov <"Restoring the Annals of Latvian Chess History"> (ru) http://chess-news.ru/node/5341

Biographical Game Collections

1.Game Collection: Vladimirs Petrovs Tournaments/Matches 1923-1942

2.Game Collection: Vladimirs Petrovs Chess Biography

Last updated: 2018-09-28 23:09:24

 page 1 of 8; games 1-25 of 188  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. V Rosenbergs vs Vladimir Petrov 1-0151922Blitz MatchB10 Caro-Kann
2. Vladimir Petrov vs A Strautmanis  ½-½381925Russian Secondary-City Gymnasium matchC80 Ruy Lopez, Open
3. Vladimir Petrov vs Indrikis Strazdins 1-02219262nd Latvian Chess CongressD60 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox Defense
4. Vladimir Petrov vs J Turn  1-0641928Match Riga univ. - Tartu univ.B02 Alekhine's Defense
5. Movse Feigin vs Vladimir Petrov  0-1311928Latvian Team Select Control TournamentC14 French, Classical
6. Vladimir Petrov vs K Makarczyk 1-0481928OlympiadD64 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox, Rubinstein Attack
7. Vladimir Petrov vs W A T Schelfhout  ½-½261928OlympiadD92 Grunfeld, 5.Bf4
8. J Turn vs Vladimir Petrov  0-1311929Match Tartu univ. - Riga univ.D35 Queen's Gambit Declined
9. Vladimir Petrov vs J Turn  ½-½651929Match Riga univ. - Tartu univ.D52 Queen's Gambit Declined
10. Vladimir Petrov vs Gerz Gladstein  1-0351929Match Latvia-LithuaniaD06 Queen's Gambit Declined
11. Tartakower vs Vladimir Petrov 0-1321930Hamburg ol (Men)A45 Queen's Pawn Game
12. Marshall vs Vladimir Petrov 1-0161930Hamburg ol (Men)E11 Bogo-Indian Defense
13. Vladimir Petrov vs S Landau  1-0511930Hamburg ol (Men)E60 King's Indian Defense
14. Vladimir Petrov vs A Pokorny  1-0391930Hamburg ol (Men)E11 Bogo-Indian Defense
15. V Mikenas vs Vladimir Petrov  1-04119311st Baltic championshipE23 Nimzo-Indian, Spielmann
16. L Hanssen vs Vladimir Petrov  0-1431931Prague ol (Men)B74 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
17. G A Thomas vs Vladimir Petrov  1-0381931Prague ol (Men)B74 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
18. W Rivier vs Vladimir Petrov  0-1641931Prague ol (Men)B56 Sicilian
19. Vladimir Petrov vs A Cruusberg  1-0531931Prague ol (Men)C11 French
20. Vladimir Petrov vs A Vajda  1-0351931Prague ol (Men)B13 Caro-Kann, Exchange
21. J Rejfir vs Vladimir Petrov 1-0521931Prague ol (Men)D51 Queen's Gambit Declined
22. A Gromer vs Vladimir Petrov  0-1541931Prague ol (Men)B74 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
23. Vladimir Petrov vs K Kullberg  1-0271931Prague ol (Men)B40 Sicilian
24. K Treybal vs Vladimir Petrov 0-1431933OlympiadB58 Sicilian
25. Vladimir Petrov vs E Gilfer  1-0321933OlympiadA22 English
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Dec-19-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: What about just [Event "SELL Student Olympiad"] :)

I'll drive through snowy northern Sweden on Friday and Saturday to meet my Elderberry brother on the solstice day. See you later.

Dec-19-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  hemy: <JFQ>

<Vistaneckis - Mezgailis, 1937>

<1.d4 Nf6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 c6 4.Nf3 Bf5 5.0-0 e6 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.c4 Bd6 8.a3 h6 9.b4 0-0 10.Bb2 Ne4 11.Rc1 Qe7 12.Qb3 b5 13.c5 Bc7 14.Rfd1 a5 15.Ra1 a4 16.Qe3 Rae8 17.Ne4 Bxe4 18.Ne5 xBe5 19.dxe5 Bxg2 20.Kxg2 f6 21.Rd2 fxe5 22.Bxe5 Nxe5 23.Qxe5 Qf6 24.Qxf6 Rxf6 25.Rad1 Ref8 26.e3 Rf3 27.Re2 e5 28.Rdd2 g5 29.Ra2 g4 30.Rad2 Kg7 31.Rd1 Kg6 32.Rdd2 h5 33.Kf1 h4 34.Ke1 hxg3 35.hxg3 R8f6 36.Kd1 Kf5 37.Kc2 Ke4 38.Kc1 Rh6 39.Kc2 Rh1 40.Rd1 Rxd1 41.Kxd1 Kd3 42.Rc2 d4 43.exd4 exd4 44.Kc1 Ke4 45.Ra2 Rb3 46.Re2+ Kd5 47.Ra2 d3 48.Kd2 Ke4 49.Ke1 Kf3 50.Kd1 Rc3 51.Kd2 Rc2+ 52.Rxc2 dxc2 53.Kxc2 Kxf2 54.Kd3 Kxg3 55.Ke4 Kf2 56.Ke5 g3 57.Kd6 g2 58.Kc6 g1Q 0-1>

This is a score I created from the article you mentioned:

1. d4 Nf6 2. g3 d5 3. Bg2 c6 4. Nf3 Bf5 5. O-O e6 6. Nbd2 Nbd7 7. c4 Bd6 8. a3 h6 9. b4 O-O 10. Bb2 Ne4 11. Rc1 Qe7 12. Qb3 b5 13. c5 Bc7 14. Rfd1 a5 15. Ra1 a4 16. Qe3 Rae8 17. Nxe4 Bxe4 18. Ne5 Bxe5 19. dxe5 Bxg2 20. Kxg2 f6 21. Rd2 fxe5 22. Bxe5 Nxe5 23. Qxe5 Qf6 24. Qxf6 Rxf6 25. Rad1 Ref8 26. e3 Rf3 27. Re2 e5 28. Rdd2 g5 29. Ra2 g4 30. Rad2 Kg7 31. Rd1 Kg6 32. Rdd2 h5 33. Kf1 h4 34. Ke1 hxg3 35. hxg3 R8f6 36. Kd1 Kf5 37. Kc2 Ke4 38. Kc1 Rh6 39. Kc2 Rh1 40. Rd1 Rxd1 41. Kxd1 Kd3 42. Rc2 d4 43. exd4 exd4 44. Kc1 Ke4 45. Ra2 Rb3 46. Re2+ Kd5 47. Ra2 d3 48. Kd2 Ke4 49. Ke1 Kf3 50. Kd1 Rc3 51. Kd2 Rc2+ 52. Rxc2 dxc2 53. Kxc2 Kxf2 54. Kd3 Kxg3 55. Ke4 Kf2 56. Ke5 g3 57. Kd6 g2 58. Kxc6 g1=Q 0-1

You have only small misprint: 18. ... xBe5, instead (Bxe5).

<Tab>, drive safe! http://www.quickmeme.com/img/21/21d...

Dec-19-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen:

Thanks <hemy>!

<Tab> be sure to look out for the country folk in North Norway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5G...

Dec-19-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  hemy: <JFQ>
Typing score of the game is time consuming task. It is also adding the possibility of misprint.

I'm using "Fritz" for creating pgn:

1. New game.
2. Infinite analysis.
3. Making moves of the game.
4. Click on "Save".
5. Click on "Database".
6. Right click with mouse on the saved game.
7. Otput -> Selection to text file ...
8. PGN, Standard, OK.
9. Enter file name and save.
10. Open saved file with Notepad.

Now you can edit the pgn. No misprint will happen!

Dec-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  chesshistoryinterest: How long can the event field be?

I think my preference would be "1st Baltic and Finland Students Olympiad". "Olympiad" could be shortened to "Ol" or "Oly" if needs be.

I prefer "Olympiad" to "tournament", because that was the usage in the newspapers of the time (also "tournament" tends to mean an individual rather than a team event).

"SELL Student Olympiad" would be perfect if everybody understood what the term "SELL" meant. But 99% won't, so this field description will just be a mystery to them. I think we need to have a description that everybody will understand.

I think this latter comment applies to the Game Collection title description as well. 99% of people will not have a clue what <"SELL Student Olympiads"> refers to. So I would make the title <SELL (Suomi [Finland], Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania) Student Olympiads> If this is too cumbersome, then I would drop "SELL" altogether and call it <Baltic and Finland Student Olympiads> [probably put 1936-1939 in the title, also].

In my view, "SELL" should never be used as a descriptor unless it can be immediately followed by the explanation "Suomi [Finland], Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania".

Dec-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen> Hmmm, I think I'll leave out trying to sort out 16th century Norwegian theology, elderberries and rats. Sorting out pgn's is bad enough.
Dec-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  chesshistoryinterest: <hemy>

<I'm personally glad that you are contributing a lot to Baltic countries chess history. Most of chess tournaments I played as a young player were in this region.>

You're welcome. Events in the Baltic States are not well covered in Di Felice and they deserve to be better known. All three Baltic States performed very creditably in the Olympiads of the 1930's, considering their tiny size.

Thanks for the translation of Tenis Melngailis' article in "Krusta-mikla, Sahs, Bridzs", 17 March 1934. Interesting. It would seem the Lithuanians were a bit remiss in their care of the Latvian players on this occasion.

<"... On the 1st day all Latvians were White, on the 2nd day all Lithuanians were White." ("Сегодня", March 5, 1934, p. 2).> A useful bit of information. If further games of this event are found without a date, this would enable determination of the date and round.

Dec-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: Re: "SELL Student Olympiad" (or how it works in CG):

If one makes a collection and promotes a tournament for the Tournament Index (TI), all the [Event ""] fields will be identical to the tournament name chosen. If "SELL Student Olympiad" is chosen as the tournament name, all the games will get that name in the [Event ""] field, plus they will have a link to the tournament (with that name), in which bio SELL should be explained.

If one doesn't promote the tournament for TI, none of the games will have any link to the tournament itself. Nobody would then know what SELL means (unless they could localize a specific game collection in which SELL is excplained).

Dec-21-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  chesshistoryinterest: This holiday contest has clues which are too obscure and non-chessical for me. Shall we have a chess history contest?
Anyway, here's one from me:

(a) Of the 8 players at AVRO 1938, only one played all the other 7 again sometime or other after that event. Who was he?

(b) Of the 8 players at AVRO 1938, one never played any of the others again, apart from the player who is the answer to (a). Who was he?

You must answer both (a) and (b) correctly to win the prize. Prize is a hug and kiss from me (if you're female).

Dec-21-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  chesshistoryinterest: On this post here:

Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1092)

there is: <<chesshistoryinterest> continuing on from Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1085) , Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1080) , Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1012)

You wrote: <you have <[Source: "'Krustamīkla. Sahs. Brid‏s', May 30, 1936, pp. 11-12"; "Krustamikla, Sahs, Bridzs", 30 May 1936, pages 347-8]> These are in fact referring to the same item. <hemy> has taken the page listing number (11-12) that appears at the top of the page, which represents the page number of the item brought up (eg an issue of a magazine), whereas I took the page number (347-8) actually given on the page of the magazine itself, which looks like the cumulative number of pages that has appeared for that year of the magazine. Gillam here:

Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1012)

<I found the partial game Petrovs-Apsenieks, Round 2 as given by Gillam, here:

http://periodika.lv/periodika2-view...

It's "Krusta-mikla, Sachs, Bridzs", Number 14, 3 April 1937, page 219 (this page number looks like a cumulative one for the whole year).> has adopted the latter. Probably I prefer the latter, as that is what is actually written on the page of the magazine itself. Should there be some sort of ruling on this to get consistency?>

I think we should adopt one method for the sake of consistency in our own citations of this publication. I have no opinion on which of the two conventions we should adopt.

Might you and <hemy> make an executive decision on this one?>

<hemy>'s reply has: <http://www.periodika.lv/ displaying the page number that appears at the top of the page. This is the only page number I can use.>

<hemy>, I have to admit I am puzzled by both your reply and your link. Am I missing something?

At any rate, I will use the Gillam example above. If we go to "Krusta-mikla, Sahs, Bridzs", 3 April 1937, page 11/page 219, here:

http://periodika.lv/periodika2-view...

we can see "page 11 of 16" at the top, but this is clearly not written on the actual page of the original magazine. If we scroll down the page, we see "219" at the bottom of the page. This is clearly the actual page number they put on the original magazine at the time. The "page 11 of 16" is an electronic add-on. So if you went into a library and got the physical copy of the magazine, you would find only "219" and not "11" on the page. For this reason, it seems to me more historically accurate to therefore refer to it as "page 219". Gillam has clearly gone this way as well. Going this way does entail the inconvenience of having to scroll to the bottom to get the page number; and there is also a likelihood that this won't be done by people in all cases when referencing. Still, it is the historically accurate thing to do, to me.

So it seems to me that to be historically accurate is preferable. However, it's not a biggie for me, so I'll leave it to you to make the final "executive decision", and I'll follow what you decide.

Dec-21-18
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  chesshistoryinterest: You guys got any suggestions for an avatar for me to use? I can't find one that really stands out as one I like. If not, I'll probably select something fairly neutral and boring.
Dec-21-18
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  hemy: <chesshistoryinterest>

<we can see "page 11 of 16" at the top, but this is clearly not written on the actual page of the original magazine. If we scroll down the page, we see "219" at the bottom of the page. This is clearly the actual page number they put on the original magazine at the time.>

You right, the number at the bottom of the page is an actual number and it is a proper way for referencing.

Dec-21-18
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  chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen>

<but for now an important note- When submitting pgns for upload, we must use only the exact spelling of player names that are used at Cg.com.

If we fail to do this, when the game is uploaded to cg.com it will actually create a new player bio for the "unfamiliar name" that the software will not recognize.

So if you put <Petrovs, Vladimirs> in a pgn and upload it to cg.com, then cg.com will create a NEW SEPARATE PLAYER PAGE AND BIO FOR "Vladimirs Petrovs".

For pgn submissions to be uploaded to cg.com, once they start uploading new submissions again, we must observe this dictum.

If a player name is wrong on an existing player page, that can be corrected if editors agree on the correction- and then submit a correction slip to cg.com, which would be reviewed by admins and then changed- once cg.com starts processing correction slips again.>

When you say <exact spelling of player names that are used at Cg.com>, I presume you mean the name that heads the page. Thanks for this good advice.

[It's ironic that I then see:

Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1127)

<[Event "1st Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania Student Olympiad"] [Site "Riga"] [Date "1937.03.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Ozils, Karlis"]
[Black "Ollino, Richard"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO ""]
[PlyCount ""]
[Source "'Krusta-mikla. Sachs. Bridzs' Nr.12, March 30, 1937, p. 12>

Hmm, trying to figure out who Karlis Ozils is!?]

A couple of other small corrections:

<[Event "1st Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania Student Olympiad"] [Site "Riga"] [Date "1937.03.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Mezgailis, Voldemar"]
[Black "Joggi, Hans"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO ""]
[PlyCount ""]
[Source "'Krusta-mikla. Sachs. Bridzs Nr.12', March 30, 1937, p. 12>

"Joggi" is the Latvian way of spelling it, but "Jogi" is the Estonian way, and as an Estonian player, this is the way it will thus appear most often. He is the same guy as the "H Jogi" page.

<[Event "1st Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania Student Olympiad"] [Site "Riga"] [Date "1937.03.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Sauks,Felix"]
[Black "Endzelins, Lucius"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO ""]
[PlyCount ""]
[Source "'Krusta-mikla. Sachs. Bridzs' Nr.12, March 30, 1937, p. 12>

Needs to be a space between "Sauks," and "Felix".

It's great you're transcribing all these 'SELL' games. I didn't expect you to go to this trouble - a lot of work!

I think there'll be a few cases of a player having two separate player pages floating around on chessgames.com. One I found is "V Kappe" and "V Kalde".
Valter Kappe [who is the guy who (in)famously beat Keres in the last round of the 1933 Estonian Championship qualifier, thus delaying Keres' entry into the Estonian Championship for a year] changed his name in late 1936 or early 1937 to Vello Kalde. See

https://dea.digar.ee/cgi-bin/dea?a=...

Dec-21-18
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<chesshistoryinterest>

Thank you for those corrections! It is a matter of real importance in order to avoid creating duplicate player pages. There are countless other examples of current duplicate player pages at cg.com to go with the one you have discovered. The only way to fix that is by submitting "correction slips", but to my knowledge no correction slips have been processed since <Daniel> died. So we have to try to find existing player pages at cg.com before we submit pgns. One day these pgns will be published, and it would be good if that didn't cause more duplicate player pages.

I am hoping that cg.com will begin processing correction slips and publishing pgn submissions again in the new year. The Biographer's Bistro is virtually at a standstill, and it will remain that way until cg.com manages to do this.

#############

On page numbering- you and <hemy> have agreed on the convention we should adopt- but does this mean that we need to redo all of the citations in the source fields of all the pgns we have created over the last several months?

Dec-21-18
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<chesshistoryinterest: This holiday contest has clues which are too obscure and non-chessical for me. Shall we have a chess history contest? Anyway, here's one from me:
(a) Of the 8 players at AVRO 1938, only one played all the other 7 again sometime or other after that event. Who was he?

(b) Of the 8 players at AVRO 1938, one never played any of the others again, apart from the player who is the answer to (a). Who was he?

You must answer both (a) and (b) correctly to win the prize. Prize is a hug and kiss from me (if you're female).>

I will guess

(a) FLOHR
(b) CAPABLANCA

Dec-21-18
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<hemy> your method for creating pgns is much better than what I have been doing, so thank you.

I will copy your method, although I will enter the moves into "Shredder" instead of "Fritz."

Dec-21-18
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<hemy> After I enter the moves in my Shredder and then save and export the pgn, it contains all of the "analysis time" brackets. I can't see any way to strip these out except by hand after Shredder generates the pgn?

##########

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.12.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1. e4 0s c5 book 0s 2. Nf3 2:14m d6 book 0s 3. d3 8s (d4) Nc6 book 0s 4. a3 2s (g3) e5 +0.10/10 2s *

##############

I can't seem to get the pgn from Shredder with the {} notations stripped out. I guess it wouldn't be too much trouble just to delete them by hand. I would still get the main value of knowing there couldn't be a transcription error caused by my typing.

Dec-21-18
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  jessicafischerqueen:

Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #1144)

<<chesshistoryinterest: This holiday contest has clues which are too obscure and non-chessical for me. Shall we have a chess history contest?>

Here is another chess history contest puzzler in the <chesshistoryinterest> seasonal event, and stew:

##############

(a) Given this situation:

You are at a historical Polish "chess and cheese" soiree and you meet a gentleman. You ask him his name, and he replies simply by saying his name. You then think, "This fellow is extraordinarily friendly, warmhearted, and polite!"

Judging *solely* by the surname this gentleman gave you, who is the historical Polish chessmaster in question?

(b) Submit the reason for your answer.

=============

You must answer both (a) and (b) to get the prize, which is burritos I will send you in the mail.

Dec-21-18
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  chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen>

Probably only affects citations from magazines such as "Krusta-mikla, Sachs, Bridzs", "Sacha Maksla", "Atputa", etc (some of which may have been done correctly anyway), but not newspapers.

It's your project, so I suppose it comes down to whether you judge the extra perfection worth the time. As I'm fairly inexperienced in this area, perhaps <hemy> would be better able to advise (he has helped write a book). If you were going to write a book from this, I would say you would probably need to (as Gillam does).

Re the rest of your post, it would be interesting to be in the loop a little bit more (if you've got the time to reply) - as this issue seems to get mentioned fairly frequently. I'm just wondering with chessgames publishing pgn's from pgn submissions - is this a big process? What actually has to be done in this process? [Also, it feels like chessgames is operating on a shoestring in terms of the number of people working in this area and processing corrections; this may be unavoidable of course (just an observation).]

Dec-21-18
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<chesshistoryinterest>

Nobody else is in the loop on processing correction slips or publishing submitted pgns either. We are all waiting to see what happens, and hoping for the best.

<Daniel> did virtually all of that himself, though he did hire a gentleman who did a great job processing correction slips.

Submitted pgn publishing was very slow with <Daniel>, but it was steady, and he would respond to reminders from folks who had submitted pgns.

<Daniel> took great pride in the Tournament Index , and rightly so. It is a unique feature. Nothing like it exists in print or on the internet. He helped us with that when he had time, and he helped us directly in the Biographer Bistro on a regular basis.

It was <Daniel> who was fast-tracking the <Petrovs> pgns that <hemy> and I first submitted on this project, just before <Daniel> died. So he was aware of what we are doing here, and he placed great value on it and other historical projects at cg.com.

I remain optimistic that something will be done soon to help the historians here continue to improve the cg.com database.

Dec-21-18
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  chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen>

<chess history contest>

(a) The only possible guy I can think of is <Izaak Appel>.

(b) Hopefully, it sounds like <appeal>:) [Probably, this is a dreadful try.]

Your answer to mine: Sorry, cannot give you a hug and a kiss at this stage. But as you're a nice person, I'll give you another chance:)

Dec-21-18
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  chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen>

Thanks for reply on chessgames happenings.

<Submitted pgn publishing was very slow with <Daniel>, but it was steady, and he would respond to reminders from folks who had submitted pgns.> This is what I was really curious about. What is it about the technical process of doing this that makes it so slow?

It's clear that Daniel's death is very unfortunate. I think this happened shortly before I joined, so I wasn't fully aware of the importance of this to start with.

Dec-21-18
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  hemy: <JFQ>

<After I enter the moves in my Shredder and then save and export the pgn, it contains all of the "analysis time" brackets. I can't see any way to strip these out except by hand after Shredder generates the pgn?>

I'm not using Shredder, so I can not advise. In Fritz the "time" brackets will appear in case the "infinite analysis" was not selected.

To remove the brackets in Notepad is relatively easy.

Dec-21-18
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  zanzibar: <JFQ>/<Hemy> - I know for definite fact that <SCID> allows easy removal of the time stamps via the ~"Remove Comments" feature.

I have an old version of Fritz, and I believe it might have a similar feature. (?)

The trouble with this approach, i.e. removing comments, is that legitimate annotations would be removed as well.

I think this is another place <CG> could be better, if only it were as good...

(That is, allow submission of games w timestamps, with a user option for whether they want the timestamps displayed for <CG> playback, and/or <CG> PGN downloads)

.

Dec-21-18
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  hemy: <zanzibar> I'm using Fritz 14/15 to create pgn. It is not adding timestamps in "infinite analysis" mode.

I agree that to allow submission of games with timestamps and displaying timestamps optionally would be a bonus for CG.

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