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| Oct-15-07 |
| Davolni: Happy birthday to GM Vaganian!!!.
Thanks <resignation trap> for bringing it up. This is not a bad photo of him as well.
http://www.chessbase.com/images2/20... a very good article on him, posted by <AgentRgent> http://www.newinchess.com/Archives/...
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Nov-26-07
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| Geronimo: Check out Vaganian v. Karpov Leningrad 1970 for a stunner with the Queen's Indian. Vaganian wins in 28 moves. Almost a minature. |
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Dec-26-07
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| Domdaniel: Why do so many of the greatest exponents of the French Defence (as Black) also tend to play Reti/English systems with White? A list would include Nimzowitsch, Botvinnik, Uhlmann, Korchnoi, Vaganian, among many others. Stylistically, these are very different: yet Vaganian the creative artist and Uhlmann the solid plodder both belong in it. I also play these openings myself, but I don't think I was initially copying anyone, and I certainly wasn't following a 'repertoire' book. I may have been influenced by the example of Vaganian and Korchnoi - I can't really remember. But these different opening systems seem to cohere in some mysterious way. They fit together, even though the pawn structures are quite different. The French often seems like a flank opening in drag or a cunningly disguised QP opening. This could be the reason some 1.e4 players hate it. Ideas, anyone? |
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| Dec-27-07 |
| mack: <Dom>
Interesting. To your list I suppose you could also add Mondo, who before devoting himself to all things Modern was quite the little Frenchie: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches.... If you’ve read My System, I suppose it’s impossible not to play the French at some point, isn’t it. I suspect that a partial answer is that both the French and the Reti complex survive more on ideas of structure than long, complicated variations. That is to say, the central thesis of the French - pawns on e6 & d5 with the c7-c5 break always on the cards - is, loosely speaking, autonomous. Likewise, with the Reti you can play Nf3/g3/Bg2/c4 etc against pretty much everything. This is a different thing to saying that French/Reti players will whack out such moves on autopilot - 1.Nf3 ain’t no Colle. But when you play these openings you become very attached to them. You become convinced of their universality and want to prove that they work against everything. By always playing 1...g6 I have ended up with a very similar mindset indeed. |
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| Dec-27-07 |
| Chesstalesfan: Interesting discussion. Would you consider also Caro Kann in this category of *structured* defences? |
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| Dec-27-07 |
| Ziggurat: I am tempted to use aikido as a metaphor for these opening systems - they invite premature activity from the opponent and then turn it back against him. I guess another way of putting it is that they are "elastic" - a favourite term of Andersson's. |
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| Dec-27-07 |
| Chesstalesfan: Very interesting, Ziggurat! I get the message of the *elastic* What does aikido mean? Is this a japanese word? |
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| Dec-27-07 |
| Ziggurat: <What does aikido mean? Is this a japanese word?> It's a Japanese martial art that I practiced (with very little skill) for a short while. One of the basic ideas (which actually applies even more to judo, another martial art) is to adapt to the opponent's way of attacking and use it against him with minimal effort. Actually, in aikido the idea is to stop the attack without harming the attacker, while in judo, the attacker's momentum is used to defeat him, so it would be more precise to compare e.g. the French to judo rather than aikido. After all these explanations I begin to feel that the metaphor is kind of strained... |
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| Dec-27-07 |
| Chesstalesfan: Thank you very much that you took the time to give all these explanations. Well, aikido and judo and chess.. I am enchanted. |
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Dec-27-07
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| Domdaniel: <Chesstalesfan> Logically, yes. In practice, I'm not so sure -- maybe because there's such a difference between, say, the Caro-Kann Advance variation and the Panov-Botvinnik. But this disparity also applies to different kinds of French. Anyway, I've spent years admiring Vaganian's games as Black. I've just recently started looking at his White games as well. It's often very hard to know what's going on, which is also a typical Winawer trait. The C-K strikes me as being clearer and less chaotic, which is maybe why Capablanca and Karpov liked it. |
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Oct-15-08
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| brankat: Happy Birthday Rafael! |
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| Oct-15-08 |
| hovik2003: Happy Birthday Rafik!
Keep on playing chess for a longtime to come.
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Oct-18-08
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| amadeus: Vaganian is going to play on the World Blitz Championship (Almaty, November 7-8)
http://worldblitz2008.kz/polojenie_...
Participants:
Bassem, Amin (EGY)
Dominguez-Perez, Leinier (CUB)
Grischuk, Alexander (RUS)
Gelfand, Boris (ISR)
Ivanchuk, Vassily (UKR)
Kamsky, Gata (USA)
Kazhgaleev, Murtas (KAZ)
Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar (AZE)
Morozevich, Alexander (RUS)
Polgar, Judith (HUN)
Rublevsky, Sergey (RUS)
Radjabov, Teimur (AZE)
Sasikiran, Krishnan (IND)
Svidler, Peter (RUS)
Tkachev, Vlad (FRA)
Vaganian, Rafael (ARM) |
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Feb-06-09
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| timhortons: [Event "Moscow Open"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2009.02.05"]
[Round "5"]
[White "GM Vaganian, Rafael A(ARM)"]
[Black "GM Popov, Ivan(RUS)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A07"]
[WhiteElo "2596"]
[BlackElo "2541"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[EventDate "2009.??.??"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 b5 4. a4 b4 5. d3 e6 6. Nbd2 Be7 7. O-O c5 8. e4 Nc6
9. Re1 a5 10. b3 O-O 11. Bb2 Bb7 12. Ne5 Nd4 13. f4 Rc8 14. g4 Bd6 15. c3 bxc3
16. Bxc3 g5 17. Bxd4 cxd4 18. fxg5 Bxe5 19. gxf6 Bxf6 20. exd5 Bg5 21. d6 Bd5
22. Nc4 Bxc4 23. bxc4 Qxd6 24. Rb1 Bf4 25. Rb5 Bxh2+ 26. Kh1 Bf4 27. Qf3 e5 28.
Qh3 h6 29. Reb1 Rb8 30. Be4 Rxb5 31. axb5 Diagram # a4 32. g5 f5 33. gxf6
Qxf6 34. b6 a3 35. b7 White wins 1-0 1-0
GM Vaganian,R - GM Popov,I, Moscow Open 2009
click for larger view1. = (0.02): 31...Kg7 32.b6 a4 33.b7 a3 34.Qg2 Rb8 35.Qe2 Qf8
2. = (0.22): 31...Rb8 32.Ra1 Qc7 33.Qh5 Bg5 34.Kg2 Kg7 35.Kg3 Rg8 36.Ra4 Qa7
3.  (0.38): 31...Qb6 32.g5 Bxg5 33.Qf5 Re8 34.Qh7+ Kf8[] 35.Qh8+ Ke7[] 36.Qxe5+ Kf8 37.Qf5 Qe6 38.Qf3 Qb6 at 31st move popov still had drawing chances with kg7. after 31...a4 followed by 32...g5 popov game collapse GM Vaganian,R - GM Popov,I, Moscow Open 2009
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 3 Human 1-cpu 32-bit:
1.  (1.85): 33.gxf6 Kf7 34.Ra1[] a3
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| Feb-12-09 |
| M.D. Wilson: Yet another player who deserves a photo. |
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Feb-12-09
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| arsen387: <Davolni: a very good article on him, posted by <AgentRgent> http://www.newinchess.com/Archives/... > wow, a fascinating article, read it on a single breath, thanks for reposting it. Here's what Korchnoi said about Vaganian (a little excrept from that article) <'Vaganian? He has something that makes the pieces move around the board in a way only he can conceive of. His game is something special
- and I've seen plenty in my time. More than once I've seen him play in time pressure, although he had grasped the position instantly. And it happened because he didn't want to just play - he had to play his own way. Perhaps that's why he never got close to playing for the world itle. He was never a chess practitioner, he was a chess artist, a fantastic chess artist!'> Also it's very interesting to read Botvinnik's, Karpov's and other great players' thoughts about Rafael, seems like they all were of a very high opinion about his genius |
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| Feb-13-09 |
| M.D. Wilson: Absolutely. |
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Jul-13-09
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| suenteus po 147: Here's the 56th Soviet Championship where Vaganian came in sole first ahead of a field that included Beliavsky, Gelfand, and Andrei Sokolov: Game Collection: USSR Championship 1989 |
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| Oct-15-09 |
| walker: <In 1984 he(Rafael Vaganian)
played Board 5 for the USSR in the USSR versus The Rest of the World Match against Zoltan Ribli.> Can't find "USSR versus The Rest of the World Match" on this site.Have forgotten about this match.Maybe they use different title. |
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Oct-15-09
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| Benzol: <walker> Have a look at Game Collection: USSR v Rest of the World, Match London 1984 that <capybara> has put together. |
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| Oct-15-09 |
| walker: <Benzol> Thanks a lot! |
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| Oct-15-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Sokolov just pounded this guy in 1986 |
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| Oct-15-09 |
| Vazken Proudian: Happy Birthday GM Vahanian. Thanks for so many wonderful games. |
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Oct-15-09
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| tpstar: Hooray! A picture! :-)
Happy Birthday, GM Vaganian. |
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| Oct-15-09 |
| Davolni: Happy Birthday GM Vaganian!
All the best to you! |
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