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Oct-15-06
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| Albertan: Sokolov tied for first with Bacrot and Lautier at the French Men's Chess Championship in 2003 with a score of 7.5/11, and then lost the playoff with the other two (losing all three games he played).In 2006 he has played in these events:Basel Hilton Open,Swiss Team Championship,French Team Championship, and the Turin Olympiad. |
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Feb-07-07
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| Peligroso Patzer: <Isolani: I wonder what ever happened to this guy.> I think many chess enthusiats have the same question. One thing that did NOT happen to him is a slide in his rating all the way down to 2180 (as set forth in the caption at the top of this page). That is a different Andrei Sokolov (possibly <sleepkid>'s dog). This Andrei Sokolov is currently rated 2585. See: http://www.fide.com/ratings/seek.ph... |
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Feb-07-07
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| Peligroso Patzer: <sleepkid: ...and just to add more confusion, my dog, who sometimes plays chess, likes to sign his score sheets as A. Sokolov and sometimes A. Sokolovski, even though his name is really Stanley Matthews. Don't ask me why he does this.> Why does he do this?
(I knew you were secretly hoping someone would ask, notwithstanding the last sentence in your comment.) |
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Feb-07-07
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| Peligroso Patzer: <plang: The four highlighted games don't seem like the best representation of his strength. He defeated Kasparov in 1988 in one of the World Cup tournaments.> Here is a link to the referenced game in which Sokolov defeated Kasparov in 1988: A Sokolov vs Kasparov, 1988
Kasparov's loss in this game appears to be due to a time-pressure blunder (36. ... Qxg5). In reflecting upon how Andrei Sokolov rose rapidly into the world's elite in the mid-1980's and then quickly faded from such prominence, I find it interesting to reflect that he was almost an exact contemporary of Kasparov (being precisely 24 days older than GK). If he had kept his competitive edge and drive, he could have been expected to have remained among the elite at least well into the 1990's. |
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| Feb-22-07 |
| offramp: He is nine days older than me. I have not, however, replicated his famous disappearing act. Rather I have gone from strength to strength, always onwards and upwards to the top, rising like Neptune from the sea in that Jason & The Argonauts film, the bit where he pushed the rocks apart, and not like Sokolov, who was more like those teeth that turned into skeletons when that man with a beard threw them on the floor. |
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| May-24-07 |
| Karpova: There are three <Andrei Sokolov>s: 1. This one (famous)
http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.ph...
Current rating 2584
2. Untitled player from Russia
http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.ph...
Current rating 2155
3. An IM from Latvia
http://www.fide.com/ratings/card.ph... So the rating from the second one has falsely been attributed to Mr. <I got crushed by Karpov> |
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Jun-13-07
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| Eggman: The sad thing is, Sokolov's match loss to Karpov was perfectly comparable to Kasparov's early performance in his first match against Karpov (both -4 after 11 games). Perhaps Sokolov was no Kasparov, but it makes me wonder what might have happened if Kasparov had been blanked in 1984-85 (as he very nearly was). |
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| Jul-23-07 |
| metatron2: I think there is another explanation for Sokolov's degradation in ranking:
Most people say that rating system has inflation over the years, but another explanation for higher ratings over time is that the level of chess improves while more and more players are joining the game.
You can see that Sokolv's absolute rating did not change very much over time, only his relative position in the world ranking changed, so maybe there was no rating inflation the years, only Sokolov was not flexible enough to fit himself to the new chess level (as many other players in his generation did), and remained at the same level he presented in the 80's while others improved and just passed over him.
There can be many reasons I can think of for that: maybe he doesn't work well with computers that are crucial in high level chess since the 90's, and maybe he did not base his playing style on accurate calculation of variations but more on intuition, which is not good enough in modern chess..
what do you think? |
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| Jul-23-07 |
| Troller: <metatron2> While the level of play has most certainly improved, there is also inflation in the system. A player like Vaganian was rated around 2600 when he was in the world elite in the 80's. 20 years later he is rated 2650 but is nowhere near the elite. I don't think his play has improved 50 pts, rather I suspect it has decreased somewhat, as would be expected since he is - well, a "senior player" now. Andrej Sokolov became almost instantly famous for disappearing from top chess the moment he lost to Karpov. Today, this is of course largely forgotten, and he is pretty unknown. Is is interesting that very few of the 80's-generation "survived" being eclipsed by the very strong 90s-generation of Ivantjuk, Gelfand, Anand, Shirov, Kramnik etc. Players like Jusupov, Ehlvest, Sokolov (sic), Ljubojevic very quickly dropped out of top tournaments. |
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| Jul-23-07 |
| metatron2: <Troller> I am not saying that your point of view is not an option, just suggested another point of view.
If we look at Vaganian from your example, we can see that his rating has remained about the same as in his peek too (he is 2594 now, and not 2650), and it could be the same story for him: he maintained his level of play but could not reinvent himself to adjust with the new generation and thus lost his relative position in world rankings. And this might be the same explanation for the other group of players u mentioned from the 80's.
These players are not very old, they are 45-55 years old, which is an age where it is certainly difficult to make drastic changes but u can certainly maintain your cognitive capabilities. And during the 90's they were much younger and still could not stay in the top (so I am not sure the age issue answers everything).
I think the only way to answer such question is try to analyze their current level of play with their level of play in the 80's (by comparing actual games) and see if it really dropped, I think that could be a nice subject for research regarding whether rating system really has inflation or the level of play is actually increasing... |
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| Aug-06-07 |
| pacelli: Sokolov's fall from grace is generally attributed to his drinking woes. He took his loss to karpov in 87 badly, and simply never fully recovered and took to the bottle. He still remained a strong player betw 1988-89 where he participated in the GMA supertournaments and produced an overall fair result from the 4 tournaments he played in. Still, one cannot forget his amazing rise in the 83-87 world title cycle. |
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Aug-19-07
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| talisman: <offramp> correct me if i'm wrong but i believe that was the 1st movie with special effects. |
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| Mar-20-08 |
| Udit Narayan: Hey good job <CG.com>, you guys changed it to the higher rated Sokolov (from the 2100 guy). |
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| Mar-20-08 |
| nomaster: But rating system measures performance (results) and not quality of play. Even if the level of play had gotten better, rating inflation would still be a fact, since there's no connection between one and other thing. |
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| Nov-09-08 |
| Everett: How many very, very good players careers were derailed by meetings with the likes of Kasparov, Karpov, etc. I imagine quite a few. |
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| Feb-07-09 |
| ontocaustic: It's obvious that this guy just got broken by karpov, so there's no need to speculate...it's unfortunate because now karpov gets broken left and right anyway |
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Mar-20-09
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| wordfunph: Happy Birthday GM Andrei "Curly Hair" Sokolov!!! |
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Mar-20-09
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| brankat: Happy Birthday GM Sokolov! |
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| Apr-19-09 |
| number 23 NBer: <pipped Artur Yusupov> Some fascinating language in the bio. I'm not entirely sure what to make of that. |
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| Jul-23-09 |
| kap54: I thought the same thing. Is that British for "eked it out against?" |
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| Sep-09-09 |
| Mateo: <pacelli: Sokolov's fall from grace is generally attributed to his drinking woes. He took his loss to karpov in 87 badly, and simply never fully recovered and took to the bottle.> This is exactly what told me a russian GM. |
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Oct-01-09
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| Eggman: <<"... pipped Artur Yusupov ..." Some fascinating language in the bio. I'm not entirely sure what to make of that.>> Quoting the Collins Concise English Dictionary, to "pip" means to "defeat (a person), especially when his success seems certain (often in pip at the post)." This is particularly appropo, as Yusupov led their match by 2 with just 4 to play, but then Sokolov scored 3.5/4 to clinch it. |
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Mar-20-10
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| wordfunph: Happy Birthday GM Andrei "Curly Hair" Sokolov!!! |
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| Mar-20-10 |
| kurtrichards: <Sokolov's fall from grace is generally attributed to his drinking woes.> GM Vladislav Tkachiev fell asleep during one of his games drunk. Let's drink to that, Andrei! Happy birthday! |
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Mar-20-10
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| wordfunph: <kurtrichards: <Sokolov's fall from grace is generally attributed to his drinking woes.> GM Vladislav Tkachiev fell asleep during one of his games drunk. Let's drink to that, Andrei! Happy birthday!> lol! |
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