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| Aug-02-07 | | square dance: <Though I still expect anyone who annotates this game will give it an exclam.> maybe, but it seems like a rather 1500-ish annotation, imo. maybe i dont know how to annotate games properly though. and of course ! literally means a good move, so it technically can apply. i guess people have different annotation styles. for example, some people would give an exclam for finding a forced mate in 2 while others probably wouldnt. obviously i probably wouldnt. i still think 38...Nd3+ seems like a better move and certainly more worthy of an exclam. at least as far is rybka is concerned it is clearly the best move. here rybka shows that 38...Nd3+! is clearly the winning move while several others just maintain the 0.80 advantage that carlsen had. Onischuk,A - Carlsen,M, Biel Chess Festival Tiebreak 2007
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit :
1.  (-1.87): 38...Nb2-d3+ 39.Bf1xd3 e4xd3 40.Qh4-g3 Qg6-e6 41.Kf2-g1 Bf5-e4 42.Ra1-f1 2.  (-0.81): 38...a7-a5 39.Bf1-e2 Nb2-d3+ 40.Kf2-f1 Qg6-e6 41.Kf1-g1 Qe6-d7 42.Be2-d1 Rc7-c6 43.Bd1-h5 Rc6-d6 44.Qh4-g3 3. (-0.80): 38...Qg6-c6 39.Kf2-g1 Nb2-d3 40.Bf1-e2 Qc6-b5 41.Ra1-f1 Qb5-a5 42.Be2-g4 Qa5-d5 43.Bg4-h5 Qd5-a2 44.Bh5-g4 Qa2-e6 4. (-0.80): 38...Qg6-e6 39.Kf2-g1 Nb2-d3 40.Bf1-e2 Qe6-b3 41.Be2-g4 Qb3-b5 42.Ra1-f1 Qb5-d5 43.Bg4-h5 Qd5-a2 44.Bh5-g4 Qa2-e6 5. (-0.80): 38...Qg6-f7 39.Kf2-g1 Nb2-d3 40.Bf1-e2 Qf7-b3 41.Be2-g4 Qb3-b5 42.Ra1-f1 Qb5-d5 43.Bg4-h5 Qd5-a2 44.Bh5-g4 Qa2-e6 @ 15 ply
to me finding this move/plan is far more impressive than recognizing a simple deflection. but of course one thing that cant be disputed is that carlsen gets a double exclam for winning biel!! ;-) |
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| Aug-02-07 | | square dance: ok, and now looking at the chessbase report it appears that their reporter felt that 40...Qxg1+ was the only exclam worthy move of the entire tie break. i stand corrected. :-P |
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| Aug-02-07 | | Confuse: Interesting tournament score, its pretty impressive how all the scores were very close... with only a two point difference between first place and last. kudos to all the players. : ) |
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| Aug-03-07 | | themadhair: From chessbase regarding the armageddon game - <We has been unable to confirm rumours than an earth tremor was felt in Biel, during the final game, believed to have been caused by Mikhail Botvinnik revolving in his grave at the thought of a major international tournament being decided in such fashion.> |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: <<whoever gets black in armageddon wins> Nice (and easy) prediction>
I don't think it's that certain, in the FIDE World Championship 2004 white won 9 of 12 Armageddon games, and for example Grischuk won against Svidler in the World Blitz Cahmpionship. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | cuendillar: For those complaining about it being decided in blitz and armageddon - the same result would have occured using normal tie-break rules, so in effect we just got five more games to watch. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | PaulKeres: themadhair: From chessbase regarding the armageddon game - <We has been unable to confirm rumours than an earth tremor was felt in Biel, during the final game, believed to have been caused by Mikhail Botvinnik revolving in his grave at the thought of a major international tournament being decided in such fashion.> Yep, comment by FM Steve Giddins, he also made the same "joke" live during the game itself whilst kibitzing on Playchess.com, I think he likes his joke! I can't see too much harm in this myself, no way is ideal, but what can be done - what's better ? |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: I think there's nothing wrong with sharing first as in for example Corus, in any case all possible tiebreaks favoured Carlsen here. He won the game against Onischuk, he won more games, he won more games with black, he had the better Sonneborn-Berger score, and won the Armageddon game. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: The biggest surprise to me was that Onischuk keeps improving, he has played really well in 2007. +1 in Poikovsky, +1 in Aerosvit, +2 here. As chess looks today he is no youth, born the same year as Kramnik and Topalov, but I wonder if he ever has had such a stable year as this. In 2005 he for example lost to Kosteniuk when sharing 5th in Corus B, and now he competes successfully with players like Radjabov, Grischuk, Svidler and Polgar. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | awfulhangover: < Gegga: <YouRang>. It was a 16-move draw, but I agree :-)> No, it wasn't. It was a stupid 10 move draw. The moves 11-16 was analysis only, as you soon will understand, since a pair of moves are just too dumb.(Not playing Be5 etc.)
See http://chess.redmouse.ch/gmt/dgt_ch... |
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| Aug-03-07 | | jamesmaskell: Very well done by Carlsen. I expected Radjabov to win the tournament so this is quite a suprize. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | EeEk: Playoffs after long round robin tournaments are rare for one specific reason I believe. It is not really a "fair" way to determine the winner of a tournament, considering you are pretty much mixing up two totally different time controls. (in this case three). I think most wins, or direct encounter is much more fair than playing a playoff match. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | Ezzy: An extremely closely fought Biel. A lot of surprises with Pelletier doing his country proud, and the 2006 USA champion Onischuk having a fantastic tournament and playing the most exciting games. But who emerges at the top. Magnus the maestro! Another giant step forward in Carlsen's glittering career, but it wasn't easy and there were some poor games from the boy wonder. He did try some wacky moves and was a bit fortunate to win a game(due to opponents blunder) when he was losing, but let's not take anything away from this world class chessplayer. To lose 2 games on the trot and then re group yourself to win the decisive game against the tournament favourite, showed true class. Second at Linares and winning Biel. It doesn't get much better than that. Is it possible for Carlsen to become the youngest ever World champion. I wouldn't bet against it. Some great performances by the lesser rated players and no major disasters from the higher rated players. Radjabov has also had a great year so far. I'm looking forward to the future Carlsen v Radjabov duels. Carlsen 'wins the day' today though. Nice to see Judit back up there with a good performance. I think they should make her Queen of Hungary. A true chess legend! So Magnus joins the elite players list that have won a major chess tournament. The invitations for the grand prix elite events should soon be dropping through his letterbox. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: Carlsen's list of wins against 2740+ players in 2007 is already quite impressive: Topalov
Morozevich
Ivanchuk
Ivanchuk
Aronian
Aronian
Radjabov
Even the World Champion only has one such win this year, #1 on the rating list has two. |
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 | | Troller: <percyblakeney> That's impressive. Of course, he has also played them more, as he's been playing Corus, Linares, Dortmund, Biel as well as match against Aronian. One could also point out that Carlsen has 17 losses in 2007 in this database discounting Monaco. Anand has 3, Kramnik has 4 rapid games and no classical losses(!) The main point is of course that Carlsen is capable of beating the best. He just needs more stability, which he will surely get in years to come. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: <Troller> Yep, Carlsen's problem is that he now and then loses terribly like against Pelletier, and maybe that he is playing too much. Even if several of those 17 losses are rapid/blitz games against Aronian and Radjabov, he definitely needs to get more stable to reach the top 5, but it's probably just a question of time. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | Octavia: talking about future world champions: My bet is still on Young Karjakin. He doesn't get invited to many top tournaments, but that's because he's from Eastern Europe. Carlsen is from Western Europe - the only hopeful from the West, whereas there are many more up&coming Eastern youngsters. Most tournaments seem to be organized by Westerners, so you can't really blame them for wanting to promote the 1&only darling... I suppose. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | KamikazeAttack: <talking about future world champions: My bet is still on Young Karjakin. He doesn't get invited to many top tournaments, but that's because he's from Eastern Europe. Carlsen is from Western Europe - the only hopeful from the West, whereas there are many more up&coming Eastern youngsters. Most tournaments seem to be organized by Westerners, so you can't really blame them for wanting to promote the 1&only darling... I suppose.> And this will of course play a part in their development. The experience and exposure that Carlsen has had this year are invaluable. I feel sorry for Karjakin and some unknown but equally talented teens and under 23s, who are having their development stunted by lack of exposure. And they're many. These youngters with a lot of potential are the future. The stronger they get, the better the quality of chess games in future and all the better for chess development in general. They should be getting the slots that are undeservedly being enjoyed in Linares, Corus etc by some players who have stagnated ... with little or no capacity to improve ... players like Van Wely. I welcome the exposure Navara, Mame, Sasikiran, Alekseev got in recent months. Hopefully, this exposure and opportunity would be extended to other youngters who have shown promise. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: Karjakin has been given some chances though, he has played more times in Corus than Carlsen has, and they both have one start in Dortmund. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | AlexandraThess: It must have been very dramatic tie-break, how unfortunate that I couldn't watch it yesterday. Carlsen has literally pinched the win from Onischuk's pocket. |
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| | Troller: <percyblakeney: Karjakin has been given some chances though, he has played more times in Corus than Carlsen has, and they both have one start in Dortmund.> They have played the same amount of times - Karjakin played in 2003 the first time, when Carlsen was still not strong enough to compete on that level, since then Carlsen has played Corus more than Karjakin. Karjakin does have one more appearance in the "A-group", but that was because he won the B-group the year before (well ahead of Carlsen btw). In any case, these two players certainly have tried their hands against the best. No suck luck for Tomashevsky, Nepomniachtchi and Wang Yue etc. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | percyblakeney: <Karjakin does have one more appearance in the "A-group"> Yep, I forgot about the other groups. For the last year one factor apart from the Western bias may be that Carlsen has been higher than Karjakin on the last four rating lists. Also the Tal Memorial in Moscow picked Carlsen. But being a Western player certainly helps, for example Malakhov and Zvjaginsev have both been 2650-2700 for many years, but seldom or never get any invitations. |
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 | | WannaBe: Both Carlsen and Karjakin was born in 1990, Carlsen was towards the end of the year, and Karjakin at the beginning of the year. So, for the sake of argument, let's make them both 17 years old, isn't that the time where young people are getting for College Entrance Exams? Applying to schools? This year, so far, Carlsen have played 91 (!!) games, and Karjakin have played 43 games, that's less than half of what Carlsen played! If I'm a parent, and is fortunately enough to have a child as gifted at chess as them two. I'd have a very difficult decision on whether they should be getting ready for college, or continue to play/compete at the highest level of chess. Just my two cents. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | mckmck: Magnus Carlsen is better than Indian young players. I think indian young players are not provided enough exposue to know their worth. But based on their exposure and performance on those tournaments till now they are way behind Carlsen. I am from India, but i hope i am not offending any one. |
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| Aug-03-07 | | beenthere240: You can include Polgar on Carlson's list of 2700+ scalps |
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