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| Feb-13-19 | | NrthrnKnght: alekhine was really good probably my favorite |
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| Feb-14-19 | | wtpy: Phil, No. But Spring training starts soon. |
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| Feb-14-19 | | Sokrates: Great link, <Sally Simpson>, wonderful read. I couldn't help reading a good deal immediately, but I shall return later and read the rest. One quote made me laugh out loudly:
- Karpov's wife, Natasha, was asked on television: "Do you like chess players?" "No," she replied, "Not at all, they are very tiresome people." - Although my best friend in life (died, alas, many years ago) was a dedicated amateur chess player, I have met quite a few of the "tiresome" types. The game itself doesn't seem to encourage high standards of human ethics. :-) |
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| Feb-14-19 | | Sokrates: On annotators. I should not have mentioned Karpov. <Everett> is right. At his best, Alekhine is probably in the lead of the world champions regarding annotations. However, my most treasured chess book is still "Ausgewählte Partien 1931-1958" by Paul Keres. A sparkling gem in chess literature, superbly written by Keres. My compatriot Bent Larsen was highly entertaining, both in his writings and in live comments. Very subjective, often omitting unpleasant passages in the game and over-enhancing his own brilliancy. Never boring, always witty and erudite. A very unusual man in the chess elite. |
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Feb-14-19
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Hi Sokrates,
I have that book translated by Golembek https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grandmaste... yes a good book to dive into every now and then. The best writer on chess? (though I know the subject matter was World Champions but you happily brought Keres into it) Tartakower. (I put Tarrasch a very close second.) As this is a women's tournament thread I think we should mention female writers. I only have the one female games collection book, Judit Polgar's 'How I Beat Fischer's Record.' which has some stunning tactical games from her early years. *** |
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| Feb-14-19 | | TheFocus: <Everett: <the focus> that wasn’t my quote> Yes, you are right. I just copy and pasted from your post. |
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| Feb-14-19 | | Sokrates: Hi again, <Sally S>, Judit Polgar is a very good writer. She has a regular 2 pages column in New in Chess, bearing her name. She treats a new theme in every issue and she does it in a very instructive and charming way - far from dry & dusty variants dropping. Hou Yifan isn't bad either, albeit slightly more prosaic in her style. Yes, Tartakower and Tarrasch, they were brilliant annotators and main suppliers to great quotes about chess. Bronstein. I acquiered The Sorcerer's Apprentice some years ago. An unsual, even strange chess book in many ways. Clearly a man, who understood himself as victimized under the communist order. An exotic flower planted in rocky soil. His annotations bear witness of one of the greatest imaginative forces in chess. |
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| Feb-14-19 | | LameJokes: I have read two books by GM Kotov; Soviet Chess School, Garry Kasparov. I am sure, he has written more. I kinda liked them. Raymond Keene wrote books covering Karpov Vs Korchnoi WCC. I loved reading them. He has also written more books probably. We evaluate their analysis with the help of today's engines. That could be unfair. |
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Feb-15-19
 | | Penguincw: What a great coincidence (more like end to the tournament). Top 2 players face each other in the last round of a round-robin. (but they were the highest and 3rd highest rated players entering the tournament) |
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Feb-15-19
 | | keypusher: Annotations consist words and moves (Informator aside), and the two are in tension with one another. The truth of a chess position is usually best expressed in moves, not least because if the moves are wrong, another annotator (engines included) can show that. Words are harder to grapple with. Tarrasch's words tended to be more interesting than Lasker's, but Lasker's moves tended to be more accurate. Tarrasch used words to impose a narrative flow on games that was often in error (viz Tarrasch vs Lasker, 1908). So who was the better annotator? I have to say Lasker, though I enjoy Tarrasch's books more. I think the best use of words is to express the vicissitudes of a hard fought game, or the wonder great chess makes us feel. I'm thinking of Fischer's notes to 60MG, or Bronstein's (or perhaps Vainstein's) in the Zurich 1953 book. Words can be used to elucidate themes and patterns -- the Zurich book is wonderful at this. I agree that Tartakower is great. I've seen some of his magazine annotations and they tend to be much deeper and more thorough than the book with du Mont or even his book of his own games. A lot of great work is recorded in the more emphemeral types of media and so tends to become inaccessible to us. Who do people think are the really good (written) annotators working today? |
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| Feb-15-19 | | BOSTER: Kasparov and Nunn. |
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| Feb-15-19 | | whiteshark: <chessgames.com> Can we have todays game <Kosteniuk vs Gunina> as live game as it'll be the battle which decides the winner of the Cairns Cup (2019) ? |
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| Feb-15-19 | | Sokrates: <keypusher> ... <Who do people think are the really good (written) annotators working today?> Well, my reference is primarily New in Chess magazine, and Giri comes to my mind. He is not "just" fixated on the game itself, but also has a good eye on the circumstances of the battle - the tournament situation, the state of mind of the players, the tension, etc. Something I like a lot. Pure game analysis, which some GMs only offer, are less satisfactory to me. As an amateur I want both the annotator's assessment on the play and positions, AND a sort of report on the battle between the two human minds. The best annotators master that balance. |
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Feb-15-19
| | keypusher: <Sokrates> Yes, that sounds like what I mean. I'll look out for Giri in the future. I remember that I was impressed by So's notes to Game 10 of the Carlsen-Karjakin match. https://en.chessbase.com/post/newsb... |
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| Feb-15-19 | | PhilFeeley: I wouldn't have predicted Paehtz to be last. |
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| Feb-15-19 | | parmetd: I think MVL and Svidler. |
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| Feb-16-19 | | Olavi: <Everett: <Most world champions were brilliant annotators - Alekhine, Euwe, Botvinnik, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik and Anand come to my mind - but others rarely made the effort. To BE a chess genius and be able to transform it in a communicative way doesn't seem to be the same.>
Karpov was never considered to be a great annotator.> Karpov's first games collection, up to 1977, is an excellent book IMO. Mednis even put it (together with Chess at the Top 1979-1984) above Kasparov's The Test of Time - for the reader who wants to improve his/her own chess. There is more wisdom, even if he wasn't too scrupulous with his variations |
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| Feb-16-19 | | morfishine: IMO <Anand> is a very entertaining, funny and self deprecating commentator when going over his own games in post mortem. I wonder how he'd do annotating other's games? I imagine quite well |
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Feb-16-19
 | | HeMateMe: Thanks Rex S for another great tournament! |
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| Feb-16-19 | | Everett: Anand discussed the latest WC match. Think it’s on YouTube |
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Feb-16-19
| | HeMateMe: what about <Breaking Through> written by the three Polgar sisters. I assume they annotate their own games--is this book worth a look? |
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| Feb-16-19 | | Sokrates: Hi, <HeMateMe>, Just FYI, those who subscribe to NiC got a Christmas present: Charles Hertain "Strike Like Judit! - The Winning Tactics of Chess Legend Judit Polgar". A great 256 pages book with an abundance of highlights by this Wonder Woman of chess. As I mentioned, Judit's column in NiC proves that she's a brilliant annotator and analyst. |
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Feb-16-19
| | HeMateMe: ah, I'll look for that one, thanks. A shame she's retired from chess. I think like Kasparov, Polgar decided when she had peaked it was time to bow out. |
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Feb-17-19
| | Sally Simpson: ***
"Who do people think are the really good (written) annotators working today?" Nigel Short has a popular following over at N.I.C. and now he has stopped writing for them...in his own words: "A fear that my elevation to FIDE VP would constrain my independence, was the reason given." Some say they are going to cancel their sub or write a protest to the editor. https://twitter.com/nigelshortchess... *** |
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Feb-17-19
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Following on the theme of the week. I've just been catching up on my Edward Winter. C.N. 11215 "‘The greatest annotator who ever lived" It's a shout for Paul Keres.
"‘Keres is profound, analytically sound, most readable and instructive....." *** |
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