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Name: 11th Sinquefield Cup
Event Date: August 19 - 28, 2024
Site: St. Louis, MO USA
Format: 10 players, 9 Rds, SRR. TC: 90m:30m+30spm(1) Official site: https://grandchesstour.org/tours/20... Previous: Sinquefield Cup (2023)
Next: The 2025 Sinquefield Cup is to be played August 16-29, 2025 in Saint Louis, Missouri, USA.
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Aug-31-24
 | | Atterdag: Thanks, <Geoff>, I trust your prophecy! :-) Vandalia, <perfidious> - for real? LOL |
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Aug-31-24
 | | perfidious: <Atterdag>, it was the state capital long ago, and there are several places called Vandalia in that part of the country. |
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Sep-01-24
| | Atterdag: <perfidious> Remarkable! Do you know of any reason for that? The vandals originally came from the regions in and around Polen in the 3rd century BC. - Polish immigrants in the US wanting to revive history? |
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Sep-01-24
| | perfidious: <Atterdag>, in the case of Vandalia, Illinois, the reasons behind the name are unclear, and as with much of the Midwest, there were many German emigres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanda... |
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Sep-01-24
| | Atterdag: <perfidious> Ah, thanks! I find many proper nouns for American locations quite interesting. All kinds of inspiration seem to have constituted them. Native Am. names (Cherokee, Chicago), names from the Antiquity (Memphis) and, of course, names of various European origin (New York). |
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Sep-01-24
 | | Sally Simpson: America has quite a few wonderful names for their towns and cities, especially in Texas where we find 'Cut and Shoot' and 'Uncertain' The most apt for this thread and also from Texas is a place called 'Ding Dong' Perfidious take greyhound to Ding Dong and get them to put in a late bid for the World Final. The pun creators will be having wet dreams. |
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Sep-01-24
| | perfidious: <Geoff>, I spent a night in Texas at the end of June, though the names were more prosaic: Grapevine, Irving and Dallas. <Atterdag>, the southern section of Illinois is called Little Egypt, featuring such places as Thebes and Cairo. It is more southern than midwestern there. |
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Sep-01-24
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Perfidious,
I thought there might be a place called; 'Perfidious' I found this. Perfidious means not keeping one's faith or word and was at one time used to describe Britain, probably still is. 'Perfidious Albion.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfi... There are places called Chandler everywhere. Recently Edinburgh named a new street 'Chandler Crescent. I went there and nicked the sign, it is now on my sitting room wall. https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo... Yes I'm a vandal and if ever I go to St.Louis I will knock over that big king and paint 'Hans was Here' on it. |
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Sep-01-24
| | perfidious: <Geoff>, in Wouk's <The Winds of War>, there is a passage in which a British general is in conversation with one of the protagonists, an American naval officer, which closes roughly as follows: <....Though on the whole we've bungled it and come off as perfidious Albion.> One of my oldest friends bore the surname Chandler. RIP to a good man, now eight years gone. |
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| Sep-01-24 | | Shamot: <Troller>: <As for Ding, the whole situation certainly is good for speculative kibitzing. If only he would declare that after having been kidnapped by aliens his chess started to decline, then we could really get going.> But, that wouldn't make sense. One gets sharper in chess after being abducted by aliens. Maybe <chrisowen> can shed some light on this. |
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Sep-01-24
| | Atterdag: On the live ratings list Hans Moke Niemann is now on place 16, Ding Liren on 15 - nearly 100 p. below Carlsen. |
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| Sep-01-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: With nothing to substantiate this, I don't think Carlsen would be able to sustain that 100 point difference if he was still actively playing classical events. Though clearly the best player in the world, he is no longer as strong as he once was. Combine that with his lack of interest in classical and the rating deflation we've seen across the board and he's ripe for the harvesting of rating. |
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Sep-01-24
| | Atterdag: <EvanTT> I think it's hard to assess the strength of Carlsen today. After being no. 1 since 1 July 2011 - over 13 years - only very few players have come near him. I think Caruana was closest some years ago. Regarding classical chess, I say his demonstration of power against Nepo in their last match tells me there is a long way for any of the others to surpass him. One should not be fooled by his absence in classical chess. His skills are still intact. In my assessment, of course. |
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Sep-02-24
| | perfidious: Carlsen's fall from the top of Mt Olympus was regarded as all but inevitable after Caruana ran out a big winner at St Louis 2014 and got close to him. Ten years on, still waiting.... |
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| Sep-02-24 | | metatron2: The best players in the world today (other than Carlsen), are: Erigaisi, Wei Yi, Caruana and Firouzja Pity that 2 of them were not participating here, or in the Grand Chess Tour in general (other then a single appearance of Wei Yi as a wild card). Time to start going for the old Switcheroo.
The games will also be more exciting with less draws. |
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Sep-02-24
 | | Troller: <metatron2: The best players in the world today (other than Carlsen), are: Erigaisi, Wei Yi, Caruana and Firouzja> Not sure how you arrive at this particular list - I can think of a few names that could easily be added. But I agree that the composition of players in the GCT does not make for the most interesting chess. That has also to do with the entire setup of the Grand Chess Tour IMO. It is clear that for kibitzers here on cg.com the Tata tournament is now the highlight of the year with its 14 participants of varying strength, whereas the GCT events often feel like "more of the same". But maybe chess.com gets more interaction on these events that can be replicated endlessly? |
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| Sep-02-24 | | metatron2: <Troller: Not sure how you arrive at this particular list> Based on their latest results and the way they play: I think that Erigaisi is a real chess genius. Also his progress is practically linear up which is unprecedent in those levels, even though he plays many open tournaments against strong random GMs. Wei Yi also played amazing strong lately and has finally lived up to the expectations he set back when he was the youngest 2700 player ever. Firouzja is back to his old self after getting some major slaps in the face. and is creative and exciting as ever. And Caruana needs no presentation. He has been been in the top 3 like for ever, and is always playing for a win. Its not only that they are the strongest at the moment, its also the fact that they play uncompromising and creative chess, which seems to be seriously missing from top classical events lately. We need players like them there. BTW, I didn't mention Nakamura, since I'm not sure about his interest in classical chess. He is a full time streamer, and seems to be playing in tournaments only when he starts missing classical tournament play. |
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| Sep-02-24 | | Yuri Stremel: In the last 2700+ tournament Carlsen played he was able to not only maintain but increase his rating back to the 2830+ range. I wouldn't be so sure that Carlsen is out of shape. These established players may not need to update as much as the younger ones because they already have well-developed intuition and repertoire. Hikaru seems to have maintained excellent form in classical chess simply by playing blitz and rapid. I would even go as far and say that Carlsen will safely maintain his top 1 rank until the end of the decade |
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| Sep-02-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: I don't doubt Carlsen is still the strongest by a significant margin, my suggestion was just that he would not be able to maintain the 100 point lead that was previously described if he were more active. I don't think a single tournament is enough data to say he is as strong as he once was. I think the stronger point I was making was about rating deflation and how he has not been impacted as he has not been active. As an example, suppose Carlsen played at a 2850 level against 2725 average opposition two years ago. With rating deflation, it's quite possible that the average of those same opponents today is 2720 or 2715. Do we expect Carlsen to have a bigger gap over these players today than two years ago in terms of playing strength? If he performed exactly how he did in the prior period, his performance rating would drop a corresponding amount. |
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Sep-02-24
| | Atterdag: I tend to agree with <Yuri Stremel> on Carlsen's longevity at the top. When Carlsen emerged on the top stage he was among a strong group of players at almost the same age: Caruana, Nakamura, MVL, Giri, Ding Liren, Nepo, Karjakin etc. None of them have been or will be able to push him off the first place. We shall have to wait for the next generation of players, many of whom will come from the East. That may happen within a few years, but there's a good chance Carlsen's first will last until 2030. |
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| Sep-02-24 | | metatron2: <EvanTheTerrible: I think the stronger point I was making was about rating deflation and how he has not been impacted as he has not been active> I don't think that Carlsen has not been active in classical chess. In 2023 he played 3 classical tournaments, which is quite enough, considering that the number of classical elite tournaments dropped since covid (mainly due to the growth in elite rapid & blitz tournaments it seems (online and OTB)). And also considering that Carlsen doesn't participate in the candidates. In 2024 he didn't play in classical tourneys yet, but there weren't much elite tourneys this year to begin with. Carlsen wanted to play in Tata Steel but missed it, and other than that there was mainly the candidates that is not relevant for him, and Sinquefield now, which Carlsen didn't return to after his incident with Niemann |
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Sep-02-24
| | Atterdag: Very good summary, <metatron2>! |
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| Sep-02-24 | | Bobby Fiske: Keep in mind that Magnus in 2024 started playing Fischer Random with classical time control. It's set to be an annual tournament.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fre... He also signed up for the upcoming Bundesliga season: https://www.bundesliga.com/en/bunde... This summer he played the Chess Olympiad with Norwegian team. And at home, he plays the top bord in the Norwegian league, with the club he founded a few years ago. So all in all, I find him quite active with classical time control, although he has to split his time with all the speed chess tournaments online and over the board. |
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| Sep-02-24 | | EvanTheTerrible: I wouldn't lump Fischer Random into the regular classical time control. He's stated that he is not interested by classical chess these days. I think moving to Fischer Random is a sign of this. "When it comes to regular chess, I feel that classical probably will be phased out a little bit, at least at the top level. At least that’s what I think should happen." - Carlsen during an interview with Danny Rensch, 2022 "The number-one spot on the world rankings has been important for me for quite a few years, but now I feel like I just don’t play much classical chess, so its significance changes. I know that when I decide to play classical in the first place, I usually perform on a decent level, but I play so rarely that I’ve become a bit rusty." - Carlsen, 2023 "Honestly, almost since day one I’ve been wondering ‘What am I doing here? Why am I spending all this time playing classical chess which I just find stressful and boring?’" - Carlsen at the World Cup, 2023 It's possible I'm wrong, I just think he clearly isn't interested in it, doesn't work at it as much, and is likely overrated, even if only slightly, for the reasons I previously listed. |
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Oct-21-24
 | | FSR: Wow. Gukesh and Pragg both drew every game. |
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