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| Aug-11-03 | | Benjamin Lau: Can't black respond 2... b5!? leading into a sort of Evan's Gambit reversed? The idea seems promising, has anyone ever tried it? |
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| Aug-11-03 | | refutor: surprisingly it has
Walter Cook Spens vs De Vere, 1867
(well not surprisingly i guess...it would have been more surprising if in all the history of chess no one else thought of the idea) which brings me to a different idea. after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bc5?! can white play 3.b4 Bxb4 4.c3 etc. playing an accelerated evans gambit or is that just baloney? the reason i wonder is that i get 2. ... Bc5 every once in a while on the net, and i'd like to give them some sort of gambit ;) your ...b5 idea is similar to an idea in the alekhine where after 1.e4 Nf6 2.Bc4 black can play ...b5. i think that's a good line for black...i don't play the alekhine myself (my brother does) but i can't talk him into playing 2. ... b5 in that line ;) |
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| Aug-11-03 | | Benjamin Lau: Thanks refutor; the game you gave me sort of looks more like a King's Gambit reversed though... <1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Bc5?!>
I agree, I think that b4 would work. By the way, why do you play Bc5? To be unconventional? ;-) |
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| Aug-12-03 | | ChessPraxis: <Benjamin Lau> Adolf Anderssen actually tried this idea at least three times as Black, lost two of the three times, and won the third. On Chesslab, White won 10 out of 12 games. |
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| Aug-12-03 | | ChessPraxis: <refutor> I imagine that you could play 3. b4 in response to 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Bc5. It would be a parallel to 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Bc5 3. b4. But why not just play 3. Nxe5! ? White gets a terrific game this way. |
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| Aug-12-03 | | refutor: i don't play ...Bc5, i get Bc5 every once in a while, and yes chesspraxis i guess that 3.Nxe5 is good but i like to try different things (actually i just liked the idea of calling a line the accelerated Evans Gambit) ;) |
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| Sep-13-03 | | Sylvester: Any opinions on using this as white? |
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| Sep-13-03 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: it's bad because black can get the initiative on the second move. the italian game is superior. |
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Sep-13-03
 | | chessgames.com: Note the new link between ECO pages and the Explorer: <NEW: Explore this opening using the all-new Opening Explorer.> |
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| Sep-14-03 | | Dustin J.: Even the KID takes this thing hands down. Playing an fast pace Benoni trounces White faster. The b5 sacks seem to work for it too. But I haven't playing aganist it yet my new Najdorf, has anyone else? |
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| Sep-14-03 | | Sylvester: Does anyone have anything good to say about this opening? I have only tried it a couple of times. I can't play 2.f4 all the time. |
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Sep-14-03
 | | Benzol: I've been on the black side of this opening but it basically transposed into a Giuoco Piano. I don't think that it's bad to play as white.If you want play a reversed Kings Gambit try the Latvian but do your homework first. It can be heart stopping if you don't. |
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| Sep-14-03 | | ksadler: <Sylvester> If you don't want to play the mighty King's Gambit all the time, play 2. Nc3 followed by 3. f4. I find it an improved King's Gambit (if they take the f-pawn). This is because with the b1-Knight already developed, you can swing the a1-rook into play sooner. |
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| Sep-14-03 | | chessamateur: I've had much success with this opening in freindly games against people who aren't opening aces. Its led to some exciting games and It usually leads to me playing b4!? from the evans gambit (which i guess then its transposed to an evans gambit). Anyway, out of the last 6 games I played with 1. e4 2. Bc4 I scored 4 wins, 1 draw, and 1 lose. I use this opening frequently and even more frequently since I cut down immensely on playing the King's Gambit. |
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| Sep-14-03 | | Sylvester: <ksadler: If you don't want to play the mighty King's Gambit all the time, play 2. Nc3 followed by 3. f4.> Is that a well known line in the Vienna Game? I'll check on the new Opening Explorer! I read somewhere that the King's Gambit, Vienaa Game and Bishop's Opening are all in the same family of openings whatever that means. |
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Sep-16-03
| | Benzol: Does anyone play the Ponziani these days? |
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Sep-16-03
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Does anyone play the Ponziani these days?> See for example Games Like Ljubojevic vs Anand, 1995 |
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Sep-16-03
| | Benzol: <Honza Cervenka> Thankyou. It's going to take a little while to sort this lot out. |
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| Feb-17-04 | | d4Nf6Bg5: The Kings Gambit, Vienna Game, and Bishop's Opening are similar because some positions can transpose to one another, thanks to the fact that in alot of variations in the three systems the f pawn is pushed (which can't be done after 2.Nf3) |
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| Feb-17-04 | | PinkPanther: <Benzol>
Try this one out to quench your thirst for the Ponziani...it's quite a nice game by Hector Anders Olsson vs Hector, 2003 |
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Feb-18-04
| | Benzol: Thanks <PP> That's very interesting. Both sides queen and both extra queens disappear. |
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| Mar-30-04 | | monkey donkey: 2... b5?! 3. Bxb5 has some issues for black. 3... f5 and 3... c6 both offer opportunities and demand careful attention, but active play can allow white to claim the advatange in each case. However, it is a somewhat unsual and certainly demanding line to consider if you want to pursue it. |
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| Apr-21-04 | | Dudley: The Bishops opening is in the same family as the Vienna and the King's Gambit declined because white doesn't block his f2 pawn with Nf3. Lately ,it is used as a transpositional device to get into Italian game positions while avoiding the Petroff, etc. However, the older way of playing it is to take it into a King's Gambit Declined with 1.e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3 Nc6 4.Nc3 Bc5 5.f4 d6 6.Nf3 a6 . Spielmann reached this type of position using a different move order and I think Alekhine used it quite a bit too. If you like a slow, space gaining K side attack this is a good way to get it. On the whole it has worked out fairly well when I have used it, but I eventually decided that it's just not my style and went back to my old favorites, the Scotch Game and Scotch Gambit. |
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| Sep-13-04 | | Knight13: Bishop's Opening is one of Philidor's favorite opening as playing white. |
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| Nov-06-04 | | TheGreatNN: Does anybody know the complete refutation to the Calabrian Gambit 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 f5? It is supposed to be a dubious line, but I can't see where white gets a clear advantage. I played these games as black against my computer (Arasan 8.1): 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 f5 3.d3 Nf6 4.f4 Nc6 5.fxe5 Nxe5 6.exf5 d5 7.Bb5+ c6 8.Qe2 Bb4+ 9.Bd2 Bxd2 10.Nxd2 O-O 11.Ba4 Re8 12.O-O-O Bxf5 13.Qf1 Bg6. Move 9 seemed a bit strange but I didn't do it. (I also tried 9.c3 O-O 10.d4 Neg4 11.Qf3 Bd6 12.Bd3 Nxh2 13.Qh3 Re8+ 14.Ne2 Nfg4 which looks like it gives black good attacking chances.) 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 f5 3.d3 Nf6 4.f4 Nc6 5.fxe5 Nxe5 6.exf5 d5 7.Bb5+ c6 8.d4 Ne4 9.Qh5+ (dxe5 would probably lose both advanced pawns) Nf7 10.Bd3 Qf6 11.Ne2 Bxf5 gave white no particular advantage, either. However, I believe there is supposed to be a refutation beginning 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 f5 3.d3 Nf6 4.f4. If anybody knows could you please tell me what it is as I often use this opening and would like to know before I get killed. |
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