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Lucien Didier
  
Number of games in database: 33
Years covered: 1891 to 1901

Overall record: +2 -27 =4 (12.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database.

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 Ruy Lopez (5) 
    C65 C80 C77 C83
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   Didier vs Janowski, 1893 1-0
   Didier vs M M Sterling, 1900 1-0
   L Rosen vs Didier, 1900 1/2-1/2
   Didier vs J Mason, 1900 1/2-1/2

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LUCIEN DIDIER
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 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 33  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Didier vs H W Trenchard 0-1461891British CC - Grand Cercle and Cercle des EchecsC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
2. Didier vs C M Simon ½-½261893British CC - Cercle des EchecsC62 Ruy Lopez, Old Steinitz Defense
3. Didier vs Janowski 1-0221893Club GameC46 Three Knights
4. L Rosen vs Didier ½-½251900ParisC51 Evans Gambit
5. Lasker vs Didier 1-0301900ParisD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
6. Didier vs L Rosen 0-1441900ParisC11 French
7. Didier vs Showalter 0-1391900ParisC49 Four Knights
8. Chigorin vs Didier 1-0401900ParisC51 Evans Gambit
9. Didier vs Pillsbury 0-1291900ParisC67 Ruy Lopez
10. Didier vs J Mieses 0-1211900ParisB01 Scandinavian
11. Didier vs Marshall 0-1261900ParisC42 Petrov Defense
12. Schlechter vs Didier 1-0241900ParisC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
13. Didier vs Maroczy 0-1341900ParisC80 Ruy Lopez, Open
14. Didier vs J Mortimer 0-1251900ParisC52 Evans Gambit
15. G Marco vs Didier 1-0211900ParisC83 Ruy Lopez, Open
16. Burn vs Didier 1-0321900ParisD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
17. Didier vs J Mason ½-½451900ParisC83 Ruy Lopez, Open
18. J Mason vs Didier 1-0351900ParisC45 Scotch Game
19. Didier vs M M Sterling 1-0441900ParisC79 Ruy Lopez, Steinitz Defense Deferred
20. Janowski vs Didier 1-0411900ParisC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
21. M Brody vs Didier 1-0361900ParisC28 Vienna Game
22. Didier vs Alapin 0-1311901Monte CarloC11 French
23. Schlechter vs Didier 1-0371901Monte CarloC77 Ruy Lopez
24. Didier vs Janowski 0-1451901Monte CarloB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
25. Gunsberg vs Didier 1-0411901Monte CarloC50 Giuoco Piano
 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 33  PGN Download
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Dec-19-13
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  jnpope: Does have have conclusive proof? We've had Lucien on the suspects list since May. And if his source is us then we still need to nail this down to be certain.
Dec-19-13
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  jnpope: Edochess didn't add Lucien until after October:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...

I'm guessing Dominique picked up on Lucien from what we've uncovered here and ran with it... I'm still not 100% convinced yet (but I'd definitely bet money that it was Lucien).

May-16-20
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  jnpope: I'm now 99.999% certain this is indeed Lucien:

Biographer Bistro

May-16-20
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  MissScarlett: Who or what is <Dominique Thimognier>?
May-16-20
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  jnpope: Dom was a user here... he runs those French player pages at heritageechecsfra.free.fr.
May-16-20
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  MissScarlett: That type of link don't fly, as I'm sure has been pointed out before. Like this: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #20785)
May-16-20
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  jnpope: Dang. I thought I did it right... not sure why they need special links for things... just read the session cookie and manage whatever it is that needs to done behind the scenes server side.

So links with the FBIO in them are the good links and the others only work if people have the same ignore list. Not sure why anyone would code a site that way... but ok.

May-16-20
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  MissScarlett: A bad workman always blame his tools. Get on with it!
May-16-20
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  jnpope: Do the player links work or do I need some other type of link to make those work too? Hell, do any links work when you copy and paste from the browser URL bar? It's sites designed like this that irk me something fierce.
May-16-20
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  MissScarlett: Player links are good; for post links, just right click the date and select <Copy Link Location>. I'm assuming you're using something as civilised as a mouse.
May-16-20
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  jnpope: I'm on my tablet or phone about 50% of the time.
May-16-20
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  jnpope: Logged out and surfed around. Now I see what they did and why it was coded that way. Rookie solution to scalable pagination based on user preferences. They should change the dominate variable from page number to post id if it's in the url, then paginate backwards and forwards from the post id based on user preference for number of posts per page. Simple to implement...
May-16-20
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  MissScarlett: It's your own fault for having so many on ignore. You've got half the best posters on the site on that list!
May-16-20
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  jnpope: 2 pizzas, a case of Mt. Dew, and a solid 72 hours and I could fix a lot of stuff around here.

Or I'm just getting seriously bored being under lock down. Nevermind, I'm not offering to work for free... if you can run with the search and pagination ideas go for it. I priced myself out of small site development decades ago.

I'm just going to sit over here in corner and do more research. ;-)

May-16-20
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  OhioChessFan: The date by your kibitz is a direct link to that exact kibitz, no matter ignore lists.
May-16-20
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  MissScarlett: Yeah, that's right..sit down before I knock you down...coming in here, causing trouble...WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING FIXES!
May-17-20
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  Tabanus: The Field, 6 June 1891, p. 857:

<The following game was played on Board No. 1 in the match between the British Chess Club and the Grand Cercle et Cercle des Echecs of Paris on May 19. (Ruy Lopez.) White. L. Didier (Paris). Black. H. W. Trenchard (London).> (game follows)

May-17-20
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  jnpope: <Tabanus>: Awesome. Where were you 24 hours ago? You could have saved me the pain of searching through a ton of French periodicals (of course I wouldn't have found the Didier-Janowski game).
May-18-20
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  jnpope: <Tabanus>, I submitted the Didier-Trenchard game you found.

It looks like Didier also played in at least one other team match; he lost to Gwinner in 1890. I did a quick check of sources and couldn't find that game.

May-19-20
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  Tabanus: <jnpope> Apart from 1890, the only other mention before 1900 I can find is that he (M. Didier) played a draw vs C. M. Simon in the Paris-London match 1893.
May-19-20
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  jnpope: The earliest mention I have is <Le Monde Illustré>, 1886.04.10, p238, as one of the problem solvers. He is mentioned as a solver occasionally between 1886-1890.

Now this brings up my older question: <And if it turns out to be Lucien then the follow up question... why do several periodicals give "E. Didier"?>

Was the "E." just a typo at some point that was promulgated briefly by a few sources?

Also, I suspect your prior research...

<2) Lucien Didier, born 19 (15?) Sep. (?) 1868 in Paris (Seine), lives 1891 in "R. de Paris 38" as an accountant ("comptable").>

...is probably our Didier. Do you think anything new has been added to the genealogical sources since 2013?

May-19-20
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  Tabanus: Hmm apparently not in Anc...com. There is a site which seems promising but which I'm not paying for - it could be worth a try:

https://en.geneanet.org/

May-22-20
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  MissScarlett: <I also have J. in one of my databases.

M., J., L. and E.

Yeah, we're closing in.>

Lucien Didier (kibitz #14)

<J Didier> appears in the player index of <Whyld (1998)>, having played Lasker at <Paris 1900>, of course.

May-22-20
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  jnpope: I'm not sure where Whyld picked that up from, but I <strongly> suspect it was from me (and that occurrence has previously been mentioned as being a typo on my part Lucien Didier (kibitz #16)).

So I'm confident that "J." can be dismissed outright as typographical fiction.

May-22-20
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  MissScarlett: Funny I missed that.
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