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| Mar-10-09 | | Riverbeast: <Petrosianic> You're the one chasing me...Why do you keep bringing up my name? Is it because I b-slapped you and exposed you for the liar and coward you are? I don't need to put you on ignore.... Because I'm not the one who chickened out of our match and then lied to cover it up I'll find the posts and expose you in your most recent lie....And I'll put it on the Fischer page And you didn't debunk anything, because your posts of July 22 2008 spoke for themselves...An they contradicted all your lies about how you asked for an apology and I 'backed out' |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Riverbeast: There's something important that all you guys need to learn...<Petrosianic>, <Ed Trice/hackmate>, etc...... The 'anonymity' of the internet does not shield you, and allow you to lie and fabricate with impunity.... All your previous posts are there for posterity, and the truth will always come out...As will the lies and contradictions |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Lutwidge: Wow, 63 pages?! Yikes. Could someone provide a summary of the matter regarding, I assume, the legitimacy of the recent "Fischer" book? Also, assuming it's the product of an especially skilled forger, is it worth reading simply for its own sake, regardless of authorship? |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Lutwidge: Oh, also, I like ducks.
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| Mar-10-09 | | Jim Bartle: Well, only the last couple of pages are dominated by the Fischer book. Hard to say whether it's worth reading, since it's not for sale openly anywhere. Except for those few who have shelled out (a lot!) for the book, we can only judge by a couple of pages. |
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| Mar-10-09 | | blacksburg: <Why doesn't someone who has it just scan it and put it online?> yeah, someone should do this, there's no way you could get in trouble for it <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous>. if there's no copyright claim and no publisher, there's no reason at all for <hackmate> not to scan and post the whole book for everyone to make their own judgment. but that won't happen. because he's trying to <sell> it to us. |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Petrosianic: What kind of big bucks are we talking about? I mean the people who did shell out for it, how much did they shell, and to whom? Do they leave the money in a paper bag in the abandoned construction yard, or what? |
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| Mar-10-09 | | sharro: <Lutwidge: Wow, 63 pages?! Yikes. Could someone provide a summary of the matter regarding, I assume, the legitimacy of the recent "Fischer" book?> It appears only hackmate (Ed Trice) and IM day believe the book is real. Most of the rest of us realize its fake - A hoax from Ed Trice of gothic chess infamy! |
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| Mar-10-09 | | sharro: actually, i dont think hackmate believes his own lies. the only person who thinks Fischer wrote the book is IM Day |
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| Mar-10-09 | | GeauxCool: I believe the book is authentic. This is because I admire <IM Day>. He's helped me alot with his advice, and I've just learned to trust him. Besides, I don't believe anyone would put their friendship on the line just to scam him. I mean, how could they sleep at night? |
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| Mar-10-09 | | talisman: <Lawrence> now for the important stuff. Will you please tell Holden that you found the ducks? |
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| Mar-10-09 | | MaxxLange: those Mallard ducks are plucking at my heart-strings as a boy in the American South, the migration of Mallards was a treat of colorful and placid birds every year |
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| Mar-10-09 | | talisman: Maxx, ya got any helpfull hints on how to attract Bee(yankees call them Purple) Martins? |
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| Mar-10-09 | | MaxxLange: go out into woods like when you were a lad, and wait? See how quiet you can be down at the creek bank, let the birds come to you it wasn't like some coup of birding to see Mallard ducks in Decatur, Ga - we were noisy children and they totally ignored us |
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 | | IMlday: Silent stillness in the woods, that worked for me. I kept eyes aimed upwind.
Sometimes even deer strolled by. The silence lets it happen. RB: "...it seems like you're looking for reasons to explain the books authenticity, instead of being objective...Which is your duty as a journalist." My journalistic duty requires mentioning the forgery theory exists. Beyond that I can treat the book as any other. By default one assumes the name of the author on the cover is sufficiently accurate. Many books are ghostwritten, especially "autobiographies" of celebrities or politicians. Do you care whether Larry Evans took dictation or polished the literary style of Fischer's M60MG ?
Where do you stand on the Tao Te Ching, Gospel of Mary, Report from Iron Mountain, Frankenstein, Night, Lobsang Rampa, The Vreeland Note, The Piri Reis Map, Quiet Flows the Don, Memories of Montparnasse...there's a long list of books and documents where forgery, plagarism or shenanigans are suspected. So what. That doesn't paralyse reviewers.
Should I say 'innocent until proven guilty' or has that ceremony of innocence been drowned? Nobody approached me. I read the ado in the Fischer file here at chessgames and approached Joshka to buy one so I could review it. Simple and straightforward. I'm just a naive guy. Chancho, thanks for the CB link. The toasting picture in the book is there, evidently from 2005 so not the last picture. A forger might have taken it from chessbase except that their version is more closely cropped than the one in the Editors' (sic--plural) Notes. It is idiotic to expect any writer to have the same style as he had forty years earlier. Having majored in English at University I'm hardly going to waste time arguing that point with anonymous sock puppets. Speaking of which, as this file is chez moi and some of the posts appear to moi to violate posting rule 3, I may at any moment exercise my magical powers of deleting your posts. If you sock puppies want to keep a facsimile copy of your witty epithets (or tedious repetitions thereof) for your grandkids to remember you by, then hasten to copy-and-paste forthwith. Now, some logic: Is this a master forger at work, some genius of his craft brilliantly deceiving my naive foolishness and outwitting my critical faculties?
If so, could Ed Trice be such a genius?
But wait, if so then he would have invented Seirawan Chess instead of Gothic Chess. [Capablanca and Ed Lasker already knew the 8x10 square difficulties and Seirawan solved the problem keeping 8x8 and introducing the Hawk (♗+♘) and Elephant (♖+♘) only when a back rank square was vacated. It's more fun plus the investment is only for two additional figures (which could sell on their own in knick-knack shops if only as Staunton-elegant hawk and elephant paperweights)rather than also needing to purchase an otherwise useless rectangular chess board.] |
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| Mar-11-09 | | sharro: <IMlday> You respect Seirawan so much, why dont you listen to him when he gives 3 very good reasons why Fischer didnt write this book. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | blacksburg: <Having majored in English at University I'm hardly going to waste time arguing that point with anonymous sock puppets> IM Day, did you really just accuse everyone that doesn't believe in Trice's book of being sock puppets? <If you sock puppies want to keep a facsimile copy of your witty epithets> has it really come to this? say it ain't so.
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| Mar-11-09 | | Jim Bartle: Mr. Day makes a reasonable point. He reviewed the content and presentation of the book, and also noted the questions concerning its authenticity. I repeat for the nth time the book could be part Fischer, part others, including others taking over incomplete Fischer material and finishing the book. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | blacksburg: <Should I say 'innocent until proven guilty' or has that ceremony of innocence been drowned?> if you want to go this route, then you should be aware that this mess has gone before a court of law. a court of law was convinced that the book was a hoax, is that good enough? http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice...
<On or about, to wit, the 1st day of February, 2008 through the 7th day of May, 2008, Ed Trice published false and libelous and defamatory statements concerning the plaintiff and continues to do so by publishing numerous articles, letters, E-mails, or matter, regarding Edward Labate being the perpetrator behind a marketing scheme for a book entitled “My 61 Memorable Games”. Said book was supposed to have been written and/or authorized by chess celebrity Bobby Fischer as memoirs of his chess games. <<The book deal, “My 61 Memorable Games”, has now been established as a hoax and the book’s “marketing campaign”, originally undertaken by Ed Trice on the internet, therefore constitutes fraud.>>> |
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| Mar-11-09 | | ughaibu: Jim Bartle: there is no reason whatever to imagine that this book was authored by Fischer. Any conjectured author, other than Fischer, is more plausible than Fischer by virtue of the silence from those with a known connection with Fischer, and of Fischer himself. Fischer is the least likely author, less likely than I am, and for sure I didn't write this book. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | Lutwidge: Hmm. I still have to wonder, though: if the book is a hoax, is it therefore not interesting? In other words, must the moral standing of a work trump its content? I'm skeptical, especially since I listen to Wagner. :) |
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| Mar-11-09 | | ughaibu: As the contents of the book aren't copyrighted, one of the books fans could save us all from this nonsense by posting that content, in its entirety, on the pages of all relevant games. As both Hackmate and Joshka disclaim any financial interest in this affair, yet appear to be very keen for the contents to be read, it's a puzzle that they haven't taken this rather simple and obvious course of action. |
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| | IMlday: hmmm, lemme see, you say: "a court of law was convinced that the book was a hoax" and you emphasize the court quote itself but it states "The book deal... has now been established as a hoax..."
I don't care if the book deal was a hoax or not. That may have a microscopic footnote in chess history as a curious bit of trivia regarding the weird distribution of the book, but I wouldn't bet on it and I certainly wouldn't conclude that since the book deal was a hoax therefore the book dealer must have written the book himself! |
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| Mar-11-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <ughaibu: As the contents of the book aren't copyrighted, one of the books fans could save us all from this nonsense by posting that content, in its entirety, on the pages of all relevant games. As both Hackmate and Joshka disclaim any financial interest in this affair, yet appear to be very keen for the contents to be read, it's a puzzle that they haven't taken this rather simple and obvious course of action. > An interesting point. We're supposed to believe that this book was written by Bobby Fischer, who happens to be dead now. So, if somebody puts the book on line for free, Fischer isn't around to complain about it. On the other hand, if there was a ghost writer, he can't complain about it either. Who exactly is going to complain? The only possibility is the publisher, who then has to forgoe the anonymity that he is trying so hard to protect. |
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 | | chancho: <Mr Day>, with all due respect to you, you said that you believed the book was written by Fischer BEFORE you received it. You said your intuition told you that Fischer did not do things like other folks or something along those lines. Other titled players like Evans, Seirawan, Silman, and Donaldson, don't believe it was written by Fischer. That a person's writting style changes over the years is a reasonable assumption, but for it to completely disappear into something unfamiliar, that is questionable. Do these two small passages: <"as a Light squared Bishop preservationist"> <"White needs to consider the ebullience over 'finding' Re1"> sound like the shoot from the hip annotations Fischer was known for and as expressed by Jeremy Silman? |
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