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Feb-07-08 | | Riverbeast: <Taimanov lost his grandmaster title for a while when losing the match against fischer, so a grandmaster title is not safe to stay with you forever.> I didn't know about that. They took his GM title from him? What a crock... I'm sure they felt silly about that after Larsen also lost 6-0 |
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Feb-07-08 | | brankat: <Refused> Thank You for the link. Beautiful photos! |
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Feb-07-08 | | brankat: <the Rocket> I also didn't know about the "loss" of the title. I was not really referring to the title itself, but to the hard and long work of studying, knowledge, expertise, which is needed to raise a player to the level of grandmastership. |
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Feb-07-08
 | | Benzol: <The Rocket> <Taimanov lost his grandmaster title for a while when losing the match against fischer, so a grandmaster title is not safe to stay with you forever.> Not exactly, the Soviet authorities wanted to remove Taimanov's GM title but as it had been awarded by FIDE that wasn't possible. But they did strip him of his Soviet titles like "Honoured Master Of Sport" and reduced his salary. Things got a bit better for him later when Larsen had lost his match with Fischer. |
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Feb-07-08 | | karnak64: GM Taimonov, if you're reading this, a happy birthday to you, and thank you for so much beautiful chess! You're a true sportsman and a role model. May you know many blessings. |
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Feb-08-08 | | The Rocket: sorry but it did say at chessbase.com that he was stripped of his Grandmaster titel of USSR. I have never heard that you could have a gm titel of USSR anybody know anything about this? |
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Feb-08-08 | | brankat: <The Rocket> The USSR GM title was introduced in 1929, I think, before there was an official international GM title. Boris Verlinsky was the first Soviet master to be awarded the title after winning the USSR championship that year. The title was abolished in 1931, I don't know why. Apparently some sort of a "political" reason. Then later, probably 1935 or so, it was re-established, and M.Botvinnik was the first one to get the title. FIDE GM title (and IM title) were introduced in 1950. |
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Feb-08-08 | | Karpova: Taimanov: <In 1953, I became a Grandmaster after the interzonal tournament in Saltsjobaden, which qualified me for the famous Zurich tournament. The latter is beyond any doubt the most beautiful tournament of the last century, not only in terms of the games' quality, but also for the struggle's intensity. All of it has of course been immortalised, thanks to Bronstein's magnificent book. In 1955, I became USSR champion. Until the match with Fischer in 1971, everything went smoothly in my chess career. This dramatic match changed my life into hell [as everyone knows, Fischer won this encounter with the stunning score of six to zero - J.L.].> Lautier: <Tell us a little about this match.> Taimanov: <As Fischer himself admitted at the time, the final score did not reflect the true balance of strength. The terrible feeling that I was playing against a machine which never made any mistake shattered my resistance. Fischer would never concede any weakening of his position, he was an incredibly tough defender. The third game proved to be the turning point of the match. After a pretty tactical sequence, I had managed to set my opponent serious problems. In a position that I considered to be winning, I could not find a way to break through his defences. For every promising idea, I found an answer for Fischer, I engrossed myself in a very deep think which did not produce any positive result. Frustrated and exhausted, I avoided the critical line in the end and lost the thread of the game, which lead to my defeat eventually. Ten years later, I found at last how I should have won that fatal game, but unfortunately, it didn't matter anymore! I have written a book about this match, entitled "How I became Fischer's victim", it represents an essay on the American player and describes how I perceived his style and personality, once the match was over.> Lautier: <What were the consequences of this defeat?> Taimanov: <The sanctions from the Soviet government were severe. I was deprived of my civil rights, my salary was taken away from me [all Soviet grandmasters received from their government a substantial salary - J.L.], I was prohibited from travelling abroad and censored in the press. It was unthinkable for the authorities that a Soviet grandmaster could lose in such a way to an American, without a political explanation. I therefore became the object of slander and was accused, among other things, of secretly reading books of Solzhenitsin. I was banned from society for two years, it was also the time when I separated from my first wife, Lyubov Bruk.> Lautier: <How were the sanctions lifted ?> Taimanov: <In 1973, I was qualified by FIDE to participate in the interzonal tournament. My case was examined at the Central Committee of the Communist Party and the higher authorities decided to "forgive" me. The case was thus closed. As the bureaucrat whom I met explained to me: "we had the choice between hammering the nail until the end or pulling it off altogether. We have finally decided to pull it off". To me, it was quite obvious that the nail in question was my own coffin's !>
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Feb-08-08 | | The Rocket: speaking of grandmaster titel say I get 2500 ranking points, If I understand correctly I am still not a grandmaster?!, I also have to perform well in a tournament among other grandmasters, but what is considered to be a good result? |
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Feb-08-08
 | | Troller: Thanks, <Karpova>
<The Rocket> It used to be something on the lines of this: -you shall have a rating of at least 2500 (or have had it at some point) -you shall score at least 3 "GM norms" comprising at least 25 games A GM norm is a performance rating of 2600+ in a tournament where you meet at least 3 GMs, and at least 50% of your opponents must have a title. It may have changed somewhat, and I know for a fact that FIDE have often more or less dispensed from the above, sometimes for "political" reasons (i.e., they want someone to become a GM, perhaps as a promotion for his country). |
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Feb-08-08 | | Refused: Troller is basically right about the three norms you have to make before getting the GM-Title (basically you have to make three norms for the IM title as well (of course lower ones).
The only title you get without a Norm just by pure Rating is the FM Title; the Elo requirements is 2300 I think, and you can't get that title with your first rating. The reason for the norms is usually quite simple to explain, just imagine a patzer like me playing likesay 1000 games against ELO 1700 or 1800 players, with a score in the high 90% area it would give a hillarious high rating. Now imagine me playing against a real 2300 or higher rating, I can assure you I would be happy to score 30%. I think in America there was such a scenario with a man serving a lifetime and he just wiped out other prisoners during the chesstournaments and his rating became incredibly high, the only active player in the US to have a higher rating back 1996, was the Kamsky. I can't recall the name I think it was bloodgod or bloodgood or something like that. |
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Feb-09-08
 | | FSR: <Refused: I think in America there was such a scenario with a man serving a lifetime and he just wiped out other prisoners during the chesstournaments and his rating became incredibly high, the only active player in the US to have a higher rating back 1996, was the Kamsky. I can't recall the name I think it was bloodgod or bloodgood or something like that.> Yes, Claude Bloodgood, who served a life sentence for killing his mother. Nice guy (not!). He died in prison in 2001. He figured out how to game the rating system and got a 2700+ rating playing only against other prisoners. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude... Bloodgood wrote three books on dubious chess openings, most famously "The Tactical Grob." Paul Hoffman wrote quite a bit about him in his recent (excellent) book "King's Gambit." |
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Feb-09-08
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May-24-08 | | Marmot PFL: So they thought that Taimanov lost every game deliberately to make a political statement? Than what about Larsen? It doesn't sound like they gave him a break when Petrosian and Spassky also lost either. I used to play piano as I child and sometimes regret giving it up. Not that the world of music lost anything by that decision. |
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May-24-08 | | veigaman: <Ten years later, I found at last how I should have won that fatal game, but unfortunately, it didn't matter anymore!> It showed how good fischer was |
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Jul-20-08 | | wolfmaster: Wow, Taimanov's highest rating is 2590? I thought he was once among the top 15 in the world! I guess he was decimated by Fischer... so... |
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Jul-20-08 | | wanabe2000: <brancat> FYI according to Chessgames intro "Mikhail Ivanovich Chigorin (also spelled Tchigorin, Tjigorin) was born November 12, 1850, in Gatchina, Russia, and was the first ever Russian grandmaster." |
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Apr-26-09 | | Granny O Doul: <wolfmaster> In 1980, even, there were only about a dozen players rated 2600 FIDE. |
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May-05-09 | | whatthefat: And even in 1990 a rating of 2625 was sufficient for a top 10 placing: http://chess.eusa.ed.ac.uk/Chess/Tr... |
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Aug-04-09 | | Dredge Rivers: Sing us a song, Mr. Piano Man! |
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Nov-12-09 | | parisattack: <Dredge Rivers: Sing us a song, Mr. Piano Man!> There is a small Russian chess book on Taimanov published in the 1950s. It has quite a few pictures in it - one of Taimanov at the piano and Smyslov singing, simply titled 'Bareton.' |
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Jan-05-10
 | | Fusilli: <FSR> <Bloodgood wrote three books on dubious chess openings, most famously "The Tactical Grob." Paul Hoffman wrote quite a bit about him in his recent (excellent) book "King's Gambit."> There is also a chapter on Bloodgood in J.C. Hallman's "The Chess Artist". He actually interviewed the guy in 2000, and started a correspondence chess game with him. Bloodgood quit after a few moves for health reasons, and died shortly afterward. |
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Jan-05-10 | | Petrosianic: That'd be a good title for a book. We see titles like "Offbeat Chess Openings" or "Irregular Openings", but why not go all out and call it "Dubious Chess Openings"? |
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Feb-07-10 | | wordfunph: Mr. Piano Man...Happy Birthday! |
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Feb-07-10 | | M.D. Wilson: "Oh well, I can still play the piano." Taimanov after losing 6:0 to Bobby. Happy birthday! |
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