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| Jan-23-12 | | hangingenprise: i'll always take an athlete who has "guts" and can reach down and
win the big game, but does not quite
have the greatest of talent. ie. jack morris |
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| Jan-23-12 | | hangingenprise: and morris played for the blue jays and not the expos.
<phony> he did win a world series with the tigers and the jays? |
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| Jan-23-12 | | hangingenprise: just look it up and the twins. pitched
10 innings and known for his clutch performances. so what the hell?!!
h.o.f you bet. |
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| Jan-23-12 | | Jim Bartle: Morris certainly did have some clutch performances, and he had the most wins of any pitcher in the 1980s. On the other hand, his lifetime record is 254-186 and his ERA 3.90. Not Hall of Fame-type records. Plus he never had a single year with an ERA under 3.00, though pitching half his games at Tiger Stadium for years contributed to that. (In 1985, for example, has was 4.50 in Detroit and 2.50 on the road.) I say he's a borderline case, similar to Drysdale and a lot of others. |
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Jan-23-12
 | | keypusher: <Jim Bartle: Atlanta did have a lot of bad luck in the World Series in the 90s (91, 96), plus losing in the NL playoffs more than they should have (Philadelphia 1993, Florida 1997, San Diego 1998).> I've read that Cox's approach and strategy was suited better to winning lots of games in the regular season than winning playoff series. I have no idea if that's true, or even what the author meant. Does anyone else? |
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| Jan-23-12 | | Jim Bartle: I don't see how that can be possible. What can be better for winning a series than having three of the best pitchers in baseball to run out there day after day? I do remember that Billy Beane saying that his A's in the years they were winning, that they were built for the regular season rather than the playoffs. I was looking at the 1996 World Series. When's the last time we've seen pitching matchups like this for the first three games? 1. Smoltz-Pettitte
2. Maddux-Key
3. Glavine-Cone
I don't remember the game, but it must have been great to watch the pitchers in game one. I always thought Smoltz and Pettitte had two of the most beautiful motions I'd ever seen (Smoltz in his early years, before injuries), one left, one right. |
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| Jan-23-12 | | David2009: <PB>, thanks for your post Browne vs R Kneebone, 1985. The winner was indeed W A Brown (my mistake: a typo reading your earlier link too quickly). The amended game, without annotations and with score as corrected by Robin Kneebone, becomes [Event "Match Cornwall A- Gloucestershire A"]
[Site "Exeter"]
[Date "1985.11.30"]
[Round "6"]
[White "W A Brown"]
[Black "R Kneebone"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B89"]
[EventDate "1985.11.30"]
[PlyCount "47"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bc4 e6 7.Be3 Be7 8.Qe2 0-0 9.0-0-0 a6 10.Rhg1 Qc7 11.g4 Nxd4 12.Bxd4
b5 13.Bd3 b4 14.e5 dxe5 15.Bxe5 Qa5 16.g5 Nd7 17.Bxh7+ Kxh7 18.Qh5+ Kg8 19.Bxg7 Kxg7 20.Qh6+ Kg8
21.Nd5 exd5 22.g6 Nf6 23.g7 Nh7 24.gxf8Q#
1-0 |
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Jan-23-12
 | | tpstar: <"Tell us how it feels"> The silliest sports reporting I have ever seen is right after an American wins a gold medal at the Olympics. They invariably ask, "So you just won Olympic gold! Are you like really excited or what?!" Watch for that this summer in London. =) |
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Jan-23-12
 | | OhioChessFan: Guaranteed at the Kentucky Derby, Donna what's her name will ride her horse to the winning jockey and ask "How do you feel?" |
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Jan-23-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Someday, somebody will answer, <"With my sensory organs">, and it will all be worth it. |
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Jan-23-12
 | | LIFE Master AJ: << Jan-23-12 Phony Benoni: <LMAJ> I have submitted a correction slip for Browne vs R Kneebone, 1985, 1985. It turns out that White was a local Glouchestershire player named <W A Brown> with a rating equivalent to about 2080 USCF. That means this is probably one of his best games, and I'm glad we could attribute it to the correct person.
Thanks for getting the ball rolling on this one. <<<>>> >> I got some "hate mail," for this one, (a couple of e-mails, both rpo and con); but it was pretty obvious - all along - that GM Walter Browne never played this game ... unless it was a one-shot simul game. |
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| Jan-23-12 | | King Death: < Jim Bartle: ...Morris (s's) lifetime record is 254-186 and his ERA 3.90. Not Hall of Fame-type records. Plus he never had a single year with an ERA under 3.00, though pitching half his games at Tiger Stadium for years contributed to that. (In 1985, for example, has was 4.50 in Detroit and 2.50 on the road.)..> If you look at Morris's career with the Tigers from 1979 (when he established himself as a starter) to 1990, 1985 was an exception, most years the Tigers scored and allowed more runs in their road games than they did at home. <...I say he's a borderline case, similar to Drysdale and a lot of others.> There are worse pitchers in Cooperstown but I don't think this means he should get in either. With a career ERA+ of 105 and a single season high of 133 I'm not impressed, to go with that career ERA of 3.90 in a ballpark that helped him for the most part. |
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Jan-23-12
| | LIFE Master AJ: And - of course - you are welcome.
Some "purists" have told me that I am wasting my time with this site, and that its got a lot of garbage games. I respond by saying that I do everything I can to improve the quality of the DB. I have submitted many games, and I try to correct games when I see obvious errors. This is not the first time I have labored to correct a game ... I could quote many other examples. I think some people interpret my efforts as ego or that I have an axe to grind. I would just like it if 99% of the games on this site are accurate. I think that any real chess lover - who truly loves the game as I do - would feel exactly the same way. In a way, when you see a bad date or extra moves or the incorrect round on a famous game, its like someone taking a brush and deciding to "touch up" a famous painting ... the idea of it should strike terror into the heart of any real art lover. (I feel the same way about a chess game!) |
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Jan-23-12
| | LIFE Master AJ: <<By the way, the fact I have had adjourned games shows you I've been around too long.>> I remember adjournments!
I remember one game - the director's name was Paul Kidder, no joke intended - it was played in Ft. Walton Beach some 20-30 years ago. The game went into the 3rd or 4th time control, Kidder was literally asleep on the table, snoring loudly ... I won the game that night. But the next day, I was a wreck, drawing a lower-rated player and then losing ... |
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| Jan-24-12 | | King Death: < LIFE Master AJ: ...Some "purists" have told me that I am wasting my time with this site, and that its got a lot of garbage games...> There's another site I go to as a source for games and I see plenty where it's 1100 vs. 1250 player.
Maybe these "purists" should check that out! This site isn't perfect but there's no problem there. |
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| Jan-24-12 | | King Death: <fellow baseball travelers> This is something I just ran across that's worth reading. http://paullebowitz.com/blog/?p=3690 |
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| Jan-24-12 | | playground player: <King Death> Maybe baseball could put an annex onto the Hall of Fame--the "Hall of Really Quite Good, Although Clearly Not Comparable to Willie Mays, Joe DiMaggio, Warren Spahn, or Some of Those Other Guys." (Gee, I do have a gift for naming things...) |
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| Jan-24-12 | | hangingenprise: <playgroudplayer> true morris is not the glamour boys atlanta pitchers er one ring, era elite, 300 win club....
just a post season inning eating pitcher with three rings and a big game pitcher when his team had, not needed, but had to win! |
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| Jan-24-12 | | King Death: <playground player: Maybe baseball could put an annex onto the Hall of Fame...> Maybe they should, it would be bigger than the Hall itself. |
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Jan-24-12
| | Phony Benoni: Maybe call it the Lake Wobegon Wing. Everyone who is above average gets in. |
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| Jan-24-12 | | Jim Bartle: But at Lake Wobegon EVERYBODY is above average. |
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| Jan-24-12 | | hangingenprise: WWWWWOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!
phony: did you see that signing coming |
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Jan-24-12
| | Phony Benoni: Please, please, PLEASE tell me this isn't true:
http://tracking.si.com/2012/01/24/r... As you may not know, the Tigers lost DH Victor Martinez for the season due to a torn ACL he suffered during a training session. But if this is the remedy, it is a huge mistake. What are they going to do when Martinez comes back? He can't catch any more on a regular basis, and Fielder can't play any position but first base where Miguel Cabrera is entrenched. The only way it could possibly make sense would be if Cabrera, who does have experience at the position, switched back to third base. But he's worked so hard to master playing first that I don't see it. Most importantly, I think it's near 100% that Prince Fielder will not be a productive player for the next nine years. I wouldn't give him five years. Genes tell, and I remember how quickly his father dropped off. The move will undoubtedly be wildly popular among the average Tigers fan; there's still a lot of love here for Cecil. But it shrieks of desperation to me. |
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| Jan-24-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> For now the Tigers are looking to split DH and first between the two. Cabrera at third doesn't sound too hot though and Martinez was never known for what he could do behind the plate. There's a lot of scary lumber but that's a lot of DHs in the lineup. Maybe they'll put Cabrera in left or something. |
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Jan-24-12
 | | WannaBe: Prince will come to your rescue, on his big stallion!! |
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