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Oct-17-10
 | | OhioChessFan: <You may hate the Yankess, but you have to give them credit. Clutch players with big bats can never be counted out.> Sure, but when you have a couple extra clutch players in your lineup... Really, the average playoff team is about like the Yankees without an All Star SS and 3B. Add 40 mill a year and those 2 players to your lineup, of course good things are bound to happen. |
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Oct-17-10
 | | OhioChessFan: And that lucky bounce of the wild pitch......unbelievable. |
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Oct-18-10 | | Jim Bartle: Analysis at Sports Illustrated on the Phillies-SF game 2: "Fontenot...failed to take an easy forceout at second base on a hard bunt, opening the door to Philadelphia's game-busting four runs in the seventh." How does getting the out at the wrong base open the way to a big inning? It could lead to scoring one run instead of zero, but it didn't lead to a four-run inning. My overall opinion is not to try to get the lead runner on a bunt (unless it's the 8th or 9th in a close game) if it's not an absolutely sure out. What really opens the gate to a big inning is trying to get the lead runner and failing. That means one fewer out and one more man on base. Get one sure out. |
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Oct-19-10 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni>, <Jim Bartle> Talking to a friend in Virginia today, she didn't know who Derek Jeter is. Admittedly, she doesn't watch a lot of baseball. But holy cow! Did anyone in 1959 not know who Mickey Mantle was? What has MLB done to its product, that the public doesn't recognize its biggest stars? I mean, it's not like saying "huh?" to Don Demeter, is it? |
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Oct-19-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <playground player> Actually, I'm not surprised about Jeter. For all his achievements, he's never been the blazing matinee star Mantle was. But it's also because other sports have grabbed a larger share of the media pie than they had in 1959. It may partially be baseball mismarketing its product, but the NBA, NFL and college sports are far more recognized today. For instance, a lot of non-posrts fans in 1959 would have had no idea who Jim Brown or Wilt Chamberlain were. Today, their faces would be popping up everywhere. |
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Oct-19-10 | | Jim Bartle: Baseball was just so much bigger in 1959 than today. As you said, PB, it competes today with the NFL and the NBA, and in terms of star power I'd say it's a clear third. Jeter has been a fine, amazingly consistent and durable player on a very good team, in New York, for fifteen years. But he's not a Mantle. Though I guess even Mantle wasn't really a Mantle. The legend has grown since he retired. Also, players from the 50s had a much greater mystique, because there was so little TV coverage, and of course that was much greater in the 40s with DiMaggio, Feller and the rest. I have to say I enjoy listening to a game with a good broadcaster as much as watching on TV. In fact I prefer listening in English to watching with a Spanish broadcaster. Not that they're bad; I just don't enjoy the style as much. |
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Oct-19-10 | | Jim Bartle: Also, in the late 50s and early 60s, at least from what this little kid picked up, Williams and Musial were considered to have been much greater players than Mantle or Mays would ever be. And with the possible exception of warnspahn (the way Marichal pronounced it--one word), no pitcher was considered to be in the same universe as Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove or Christy Mathewson. |
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Oct-19-10 | | playground player: <Jim Bartle> When we were kids, Lefty Grove was still alive. I saw him pitch in an old timers' game. (Does that make me an old timer?) And there must've been people around who'd seen Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson. You'd think they would've let Sandy Koufax into that elite circle. |
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Oct-19-10 | | Jim Bartle: Grove and Johnson, also Alexander, definitely lots of people who'd seen them pitch. Mathewson, probably not many. When talking about pitchers I was thinking about 1958 through maybe 1962. Certainly by 1965 people were putting Koufax in the class of the best ever. Gibson and Marichal were just a notch below. |
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Oct-19-10 | | Jim Bartle: OK, what happened in the Yankees-Texas game?
I only have internet play-by-play, and it said Yankees 2-0 on Berkman homer. Now it says Berkman struck out. A disputed homer down the foul line, call overturned? |
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Oct-19-10 | | A.G. Argent: Jim, ain't sure yet about the disputed calls. Yep, two of them but I do know that it's 7-3 Texas, top of the 7th. |
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Oct-19-10 | | A.G. Argent: Oh and Teixeira is hurt and gone. |
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Oct-19-10
 | | OhioChessFan: Be sure to stop by my forum to enter the guess the number of moves contest: OhioChessFan chessforum |
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Oct-19-10
 | | Phony Benoni: The Yankees signed Sadaharu Oh? |
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Oct-19-10 | | Travis Bickle: 'Oh' did they? ; P |
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Oct-20-10 | | Jim Bartle: Got home in the fifth. I see they were having an Old-Timers Game, but for famous fans. Both Jeffrey Maier and Steve Bartman were there. On my broadcast announcers Rick Sutcliffe and Gary Thorne were saying before Molina hit that Girardi was clearly going to take Burnett out, that they had to. Especially after Burnett almost threw a wild pitch during the intentional walk to the previous batter. |
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Oct-21-10 | | krippp: <Phony Benoni> I noticed that you posted a link on the Pillsbury-page, on Sep-19-10, to an article written by Pillsbury ( http://books.google.com/books?id=3N... ). I've been unable to gain full access to that article, so pardon my ignorance, but is that even possible, or do I have to have a paid account for it, or something? |
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Oct-21-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <krippp> I'm afraid your problem comes from a Google policy. The article is in the public domain in the United States, and can be reprinted and used freely. However, since copyright laws differ in other countries, Google often blocks access outside the United States. |
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Oct-21-10 | | crawfb5: Game Collection: St. Louis 1904 on the 7th American Chess Congress is all but done. I have one stray game stuck in the submission pipeline somewhere and I'm not sure if one other is a lost game score that nobody has or was a forfeit. I also submitted 25 games from the 8th Congress in Atlantic City 1921 that were not in the database. Boy, are they ever hard to find! I'm still missing a lot of them, but I (or someone on my behalf) have been through two years of <American Chess Bulletin>, two years of <British Chess Magazine>, and a year of the <Brooklyn Daily Eagle>, as well as stuff by Hilbert, so I've about run out of sources to check. Btw, I don't know if I only told Jess or if I told you as well, I found another online source for the <Eagle> past the 1902 cutoff on the official archives (http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html). The search leaves something to be desired and the PDFs take a loooong time to load, but it beats trips to Brookyln. Even an awkward tool is better than no tool at all. |
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Oct-22-10 | | crawfb5: You're going to do the Western championships as part of the US Open project? <ACB> for 1921 has a crosstable for St. Louis 1904 as well as a number of games. I don't know what kind of newspaper archive access you have, but some of the Chicago papers might have the odd game or two from the Westerns over the years. As you move forward, let me mention I have Chess Life/Chess Review/Chess Life & Review on DVD through 1975, so I could check for games for you, if needed. |
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Oct-22-10 | | crawfb5: From the <when you have a new hammer, ever problem looks like a nail> department: I was browsing your Game Collection: Lake Hopatcong 1923 (9th American Chess Congress. Are you still looking for missing games? I was noodling around in the <Eagle> for 1923 and I think I've found a few: Round 3 -- Lasker-Morrison 1-0
Round 8 -- Morrison-Santasiere 1-0
Round 10 -- Janowski-Schapiro 1/2-1/2
Round 11 -- Black-Morrison 0-1
Round 12 -- Lasker-Palmer 1-0
Round 13 -- Santasiere-Schapiro 0-1
Round 13 -- Chajes-Janowski 0-1
Round 13 -- Black-Lasker 0-1 (the scan cut off half of White's moves, but I can tell you what issue it's in -- maybe you can find another source for that particular day and page) At least I think these are games you don't have, assuming I am reading your coding correctly. Let me know if you want PGNs on any. I'm having some connection problems with my source at the moment, so I might be able to find more, but not right now. I can check again later. When searching the Eagle, don't stop once the tournament stops. Helms would sprinkle a few games in his columns weeks after the event ended. |
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Oct-22-10 | | Jim Bartle: OK, PB, have you ever seen that before? The catcher and his manager arguing that a pitch hit the batter? Pretty strange. Truth is, if I were Swisher (and the Yankees), maybe I'd be arguing that the ball did hit me. Another man on base with one out, early in the game, could be more valuable than scoring the run from third. The pitch very clearly hit Swisher. He doubled over in pain for a moment. |
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Oct-22-10
 | | Phony Benoni: Maybe so, but don't forget that Jeter is the leader of the Yankees. Whatever he does, everybody does. By the way, I wonder why <technical draw> isn't haunting the premises this year? |
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Oct-22-10 | | Jim Bartle: But Jeter did just the opposite, didn't he? |
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Oct-22-10
 | | Phony Benoni: The baseball contingent may have noticed some messages on historical chess research floating around. Hey, with the World Series almost upon us, I have to start planning something to do in the off season. And there's some interesting insights on baseball in those old newspapers. Here's some observations by Matt Kilroy, star pitcher from the 1880s and 1890s, published in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle for 8/31/1909, p. 4: <Kilroy on Latter-Day Twirlers> "The pitchers of to-day do not play the game," said Matt Kilroy, the greatest left-hander of his time, and one of the best fielding pitchers the game has ever known. During the progress of a recent Athletic-Detroit game Mattie was standing far back in the grandstand behind the plate studying the pitching. Krause was in the box for the Athletics and Summers for the Tigers, and each made mistakes which were easy to notice. "Just look at that kid." continued Kilroy. "He is thinking of nothing but strike-outs . He lets the baserunners take too many liberties. Look at the start he gives them. No wonder they steal bases. You never saw baserunners get away with tricks like that when I was in the box. "A quick throw would catch them, but you see he is thinking only of the batter. He wants to strike him out, and forgets that while he is doing that, if he succeeds, the runner can work around to a position in which he can score on almost any sort of a play. Summers is pretty good to-day, but he is not playing the game, either. He never thinks of backing up throws. He stood in his position and never made a move when that long bound came to Moriarty from Crawford. Had the ball come any way but true Summers' laziness would have cost a run or two. In my time the pitcher backed up every throw on which there was any possibility of a costly mistake." It looks like the next generation always forgets how to play baseball. By now, I'm suprised they remember anything at all about the game. By the way, I checked Retrosheet and believe a game played on August 6, 1909, fits the description. Summers (and Detroit) beat Krause (Philadelphia) by a score of 3-1. |
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