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| Jan-28-07 | | hitman84: My knowledge on opening theory is very weak..
I grew up playing the English from white side and Caro Kann and Semi - Slav from the black side. I was addicted to positional chess, mostly read books written by Dvoretsky, Nimzowitch and those are the only chess books I have. I got stuck in a draw mode where I went unbeaten in 3 tourneys. I played a total of 23 rounds and drew 18 games. This is when I switched my openings to 1.e4 and started playing Dragon and Najdorf. I still sometimes make passive moves while playing sicillian and I get creamed by top players and these days even kids are good at punishing passive moves. I then started preparing openings with the help of engines(switching off the opening book and letting it analyse at Infinite mode) This worked well for me against master level players. My weakest part is the transition period from opening to middle game.
This is one of the most important phase in a chess game. Let's see what they reply.. |
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| Jan-28-07 | | Zebra: More on 3.c3 as promised. 3...Nf6 is natural, and then white has several options, many of them based on the tactical trick that e4 is indirectly defended because of Qa4+. Here are the two most popular: (i) 4.Bd3 (Kopec variation), defending the pawn: 4...Nc6, ...g6 (transposing to Pirc?) or ...Bg4, with a view to taking on Nf3 and delaying d4. Rogozenko recommends the third of these. Ward gives a line 4 ...Nc6, 5 h3 d5!?, where both sides have lost a tempo. (ii) 4.Bd2 ( Basman variation) "contains a lot of poison" (Rogozenko, cf. Svidler vs Kasparov, 1997). Most popular reply in Opening Explorer is ...g6, which I haven't explored yet: the main alternatives are ...Nbd7, ...Nc6 and ...Bd7. I don't trust Nc6 because of 4.d4 cd (Nxe4??), 5.cd Qa4+ 6.Nc3 and black has nowhere useful to put the knight. Rogozenko recommends Bd7: black may have to concede the bishop pair after 5.e5, but gets better development. |
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| Jan-28-07 | | Zebra: Unfortunately can't stay around to see their move. Back tomorrow. Hope to see d4 on the board! |
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Jan-28-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Anyone mind if I make the move 3...cxd4 tomorrow, if we get 3.d4? To speed the game up a little? |
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| Jan-28-07 | | chessmoron: Be my guest. |
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| Jan-28-07 | | TTLump: <Zebra: <Important deviations we should be prepared for: 3.Bb5, 4.c3, 3.Nc3. Are there any other I forgot to list?>
3.Bc4 is the other main one ....
(i) 3.Bb5+ (Moscow) gives us a few dilemmas. ...Nd7 seems the most logical, but it is tricky, and I for one don't know any theory. I have tried it once but got into a very closed and uncomfortable position. If we are going to play it, homework is necessary. ...Bd7 seems the most popular reply, and the only one I have theory on (from Rogozenko). Any thoughts?> I don't know the theory either, but I am in a correspondence game right now with Black in this line, and I played 3...Nc6 4.O-O a6 5.Bxc6+ bxc6 reaching this position (B51):
Opening Explorer 3... Nc6 doesn't look great statistically, but I think this is because it hasn't been explored much. On general principles it seems sound, trading a Knight for a Bishop, central control is enhanced with that doubled pawn on c6, we have the half-open b-file, and all this for just the minor weakness of the doubled pawns. I don't think I would actually recommend this move for this game, but I would be willing to try it if we had a consensus. 3... Nd7 would probably be my first choice. If 3.Nc3, then I would vote for 3...Nc6 simply because I it is the main line and I have had more wins than losses with it in correspondence games. I don't have any opinion yet on any of the other possible 3rd White moves. |
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| Jan-28-07 | | TTLump: If 3.d4, I vote 3... cxd4
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| Jan-28-07 | | TTLump: <Zebra: More on 3.c3 as promised. 3...Nf6 is natural, and then white has several options> a lot of excellent analysis here, sure glad you're on OUR side! <(ii) 4.Bd2 ( Basman variation) "contains a lot of poison" ....> did you mean 4.Be2 ? |
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Jan-28-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <3.d4> was played. Please think about my proposition. |
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Jan-28-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: NO deviations on move 3- d4 as expected.
Now after the exchange, we decide if we want <Najdorf-Schveningen type complex> or some <Dragonish> variation. Time to start convincing each other |
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Jan-28-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Hi <Captain> Yes I think the exchange is automatic and that you should just enter the move straight away to save time. I doubt anyone would object to that- I thought that any white deviation on move 3 to be unlikely from the beginning. |
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Jan-28-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Mr. Lump> and <Wilson> have already voted for the pawn exchange. |
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Jan-28-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Jessica> I'll enter it tomorrow, one more day of discussion can't really hurt us. Plus, I don't want to abuse my power without the agreement of the majority |
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Jan-28-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Yes good plan, <Captain>. Actually, an infinite number of days of discussion would be very interesting in my opinion. |
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| Jan-29-07 | | Marco65: I've been away for a while, but of course I agree on cxd4. Also no hurry to discuss Najdorf/Scheveningen/Dragon since in all cases our next move will be 4...Nf6 |
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| Jan-29-07 | | Zebra: I also vote cd (surprise), and leave it to the captain when to post it. So, no anti-Sicilians this time round.
<did you mean 4.Be2 ?> Whoops, yes I did. Thanks, <TTLump> |
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Jan-29-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Ok, I'll be posting 3...cxd4 later today (I'm thinking of using only a day for 4...Nf6 as well). BTW, if we should get 4.Qxd4 (although I doubt it), should we try 4...a6 instead of the "natural" 4...Nc6, allowing the pin 5.Bb5? Although after the "automatic" 4...Nc6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.Bxc6 Bxc6 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.Bg5 e6 9.O-O-O Be7 10.Rhe1 O-O we seem to be doing just fine as well (11.Bxf6 Bxf6 12.Qxd6 wins a pawn, but after 12...Qb6! Black is OK, like in M Mukhitdinov vs Spassky, 1965). |
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| Jan-29-07 | | Zebra: The question about 4...a6 is 5.Be3 Nc6 6.Qb6. Not that it is really a problem - the statistics in Opening Explorer are strongly in black's favour - but do we want to allow an exchange of queens? |
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| Jan-29-07 | | Rocafella: Yeh gotta be Nxc4 and we are going into a nadjorf I hope! |
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Jan-29-07
 | | TheAlchemist: We fast-forwarded a bit. We can expect 5.Nc3 coming up very soon, possibly tonight. Anyway, now we have to decide on either 5..a6 or 5...g6, at least that's what were the two main suggestions offered here before. |
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| Jan-29-07 | | Rocafella: Dragon/Nadjorf, both quite complicated, however, the Yugoslav sttack always seems better for white to me. Nadjorf possibly |
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Jan-29-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Some earlier posts:
<Zebra>: As for the longer term, I would be more than happy if there was enough support for a Dragon, but I suspect there isn't and I am not going to try and plug it. So my second suggestion would be to go for a Najdorf / Scheveningen type position. As <Jess> says, these are really very similar. I used to like Kasparov's early approach, of playing d6 and a6 and delaying the development of the QN to keep both options open, though usually he ended up playing it to c6. (Classic example: Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985). I would be interested to know when and why he abandoned that system, if anybody knows. Maybe it would be a good idea to assemble a little shared collection of relevant games as we go on? I have started a selection of Sicilians at Game Collection: Sicilian beauties which could be used for the purpose, or we could start a new one. <TheAlchemist>: the most common position that arises from the Yugoslav attack, it's only 38.2% for White and 36.5% for Black: Opening Explorer Fischer vs Larsen, 1958, Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1974, Anand vs Kasparov, 1995, A Planinc vs Velimirovic, 1975, J Littlewood vs Botvinnik, 1962 Korchnoi and Botvinnik were successful with Black in the Dragon, as far as I remember. <hitman84>: If we are playing the dragon, this line leads to a draw with perfect play from both sides.. Opening Explorer |
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Jan-29-07
 | | TheAlchemist: (continued)
<hitman84> This line is a good one for black..
White has to be very careful.
Opening Explorer I play the dragon only when I badly need to win and this is the line I play.. Opening Explorer The best continuation for white is Nd5 and I once drew a master from black's side. <Zebra>: I normally play this one (Opening Explorer), which is Ward's favourite. <<<<<<<>>>>>>> Also, my suggestion of players whose opening repertoires we should consult regarding the Najdorf include: Kasparov, Topalov, Anand, Fischer, Polugaevsky, maybe I've forgotten someone, so feel free to add your own suggestions. Some game collections that might prove useful: Game Collection: How to Play the Najdorf Vol. 1, Game Collection: John Emms: Starting Out: The Sicilian, Game Collection: Najdorf, English Attack, Game Collection: Grandmaster Polugaevsky, Game Collection: The Sicilian Defense, and I've probably missed some. Just so it doesn't get all submerged :-). Feel free to add any thoughts. |
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| Jan-29-07 | | Swapmeet: Having little experience with the sicilian my opinion shouldn't count for much, but personally the dragon seems to fit my style better. So in the likely event of 5.Nc3 I vote 5...g6. |
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| Jan-29-07 | | TTLump: My personal preference is for the Dragon, only because I am more familiar with it than the Najdorf, so if we do play the Najdorf, my input will be extremely limited (and even less useful!). Anyway, I would still like to play 5... a6 and if we decide to go with the Dragon, we can most likely play 6... g6 on the next move. |
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