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Apr-10-18
 | | WannaBe: CVD does not "pick", it is programmed to handle both cases. The programmer read and understood the ambiguities and built it into the software to handle both situations. |
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| Apr-10-18 | | zanzibar: <WannaBe> What about when CVD outputs PGN? Or is it one of the only display options here on <CG>? (Sorry, but I generally only use pgn4web, and but have tried Olga) |
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| Apr-10-18 | | zanzibar: In other words... What is CVD?
Doing a google search I get this:
http://www.chesschat.org/showthread... (And nothing looks any better on the first google page for a <CVD chess> search) |
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Apr-10-18
 | | WannaBe: Sigh...
CVD is Chess Viewer Deluxe that requires Java.
Since a lot of browsers no longer support Java, due to security reasons, chessgames.com moved on to Olga. This also happened after a botched Java update, where the viewer took 4 minutes to load (literally) Chess Viewer Deluxe II is what I use, it's still in the drop-down option, but you need to use a browser (like Internet Explorer) that will run Java applet |
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Apr-10-18
 | | WannaBe: CVD is still my option/choice to view a game, all the moves are on the right hand side, in a score sheet like format. 40 moves in the first screen (time control) and then >> for moves 41 to 80. (Not on the bottom, in a jumbled mess, and I can't pick out the moves and their move number) I also like CVD because I can do a lot of variation moves and can always go back to the original (PGN) move. The one thing I don't like, is that every pawn promotion is =Q, no under promo. But I can hack the PGN and copy/paste back in and look at the game that way. |
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| Apr-10-18 | | zanzibar: <WannaBe> ever run SCID? If you don't mind a quick copy-and-paste it's really easy to grab a game off <CG> and run it just like ya wanna. Plus you can save all your subvariations to look at later (oh, and with a real-time engine eval). |
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Apr-10-18
 | | WannaBe: No, I may look into it... |
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| Apr-10-18 | | zanzibar: <WannaBe> it's worth a look... and has a lot of useful features. Plus, you can't argue with the price. |
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Apr-10-18
 | | WannaBe: Well, if I set my CVD, (in my preference) I can use it on any device that supports Java. SCID would only run, on the device that I have it installed, yes? |
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| Apr-10-18 | | zanzibar: SCID is a stand-alone program, and has main version for Windows/Linux/Mac, all of which I've used. I believe there's a stripped-down Android version (not on the main download page though), but I haven't run that one. https://sourceforge.net/projects/sc... |
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| Apr-10-18 | | zanzibar: Not to get too far afield, <CG> does have a great advantage of being web-based, so no many where you go, you should (almost) always just start up a browser and use it, and and its features. But, not if you want a java-enabled component, of course. |
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| Apr-11-18 | | zanzibar: (Oh, just to finish the SCID aside- I recommend v4.4 for biographers - it has the best xtab features. The later versions seem to be aimed at making it look more and more like a mobile app version imo) |
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| Apr-11-18 | | WinKing: <<>Gashimov Memorial 2018<>> 7 days to go!
Countdown to Gashimov 2018:
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdo... ♘SHAMKIR♘Gashimov Memorial 2018♗SHAMKIR♗ http://shamkirchess.com/
This tournament will run from Apr. 19th thru Apr. 28th 2018. (9 Rounds) Participants include: Carlsen, Mamedyarov, Karjakin, Ding Liren, Giri, Topalov, Radjabov, Wojtaszek, Navara & Mamedov Average rating: 2767 (as of 4/10/18) - Category XXI *****
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<<>Gashimov Memorial 2018<>> Schedule - http://shamkirchess.com/content/207
Round 1 is Thursday April 19th & it starts @ 15:00hrs(3pm) Shamkir, Azerbaijan
time(7am chessgames time). All rounds begin @ 15:00 hrs. except for the 9th
round which begins one hour earlier @ 14:00 hrs(2pm). < 3 Prediction Contests: (Win virtual medals - Gold, Silver & Bronze) > User: lostemperor
(FINAL STANDINGS PREDICTIONS) - Predict the order the players will finish.
Run & hosted by <lostemperor>. (3 categories to medal in) User: Golden Executive -
(The Game Prediction Contest) - Predict the result 1-0, 1/2, or 0-1. Run &
hosted by <Golden Executive>. (3 categories to medal in)
This year will be the 11th Anniversary for this contest! (from 2007 to 2018 -
11 years running)
User: OhioChessFan
(Moves Prediction Contest) - Predict the result 1-0, 1/2, or 0-1 & the number
of moves. (4 categories to medal in). This contest is run by <chessmoron> &
hosted by <OhioChessFan>. *****
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Also, don't forget about <chessgames> ChessBookie game for this event.
He can't wait to take some or all of your chessbucks. ;) ChessBookie Game
Don't miss out on the fun for this Super Event!!! ***** |
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| Apr-11-18 | | Big Pawn: < chessgames.com: <Doesn't this corrupt the integrity of the opening explorer?> If you were seeking purely classical results then you might say it skews the results, but I wouldn't say it's "corrupted." Common wisdom is that in blitz/rapid games, White's advantage is more pronounced and draws are less frequent. You can't always rely on "common wisdom", so I updated the ChessGames.com Statistics Page to see if the statistics support this belief. At the time of this posting, the stats look like this: <<<All time controls (871,110 games)> White wins 328,560 games (37.72%)
Black wins 244,391 games (28.06%)
298,144 games are drawn (34.23%)
<Only classical time controls (790,702 games)> White wins 295,518 games (37.37%)
Black wins 218,772 games (27.67%)
276,401 games are drawn (34.96%)
<Only non-classical time controls (80,408 games)> White wins 33,042 games (41.09%)
Black wins 25,619 games (31.86%)
21,743 games are drawn (27.04%)
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You mixed Rapid with Blitz and then cited the stats. I said blitz. I didn't say anything about Rapid, so those stats are meaningless. I used to find the opening explorer valuable, but now that I see so many blitz games it undermines my confidence in the stats. When I'm looking at a variation and on move 6 it says if you play x white wins 39% of the time, you have to search that position, look at the games and see if there aren't 4 or 5 blitz games skewing the stats. However, after reading the follow up conversation here, it's become clear that I'm the only one who thinks that blitz chess doesn't produce meaningful data in the same way as a standard time control game. The opening explorer was the main reason I've been a premium member here, but I can just use the Big Database with Fritz I suppose. |
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Apr-11-18
 | | perfidious: <....However, after reading the follow up conversation here, it's become clear that I'm the only one who thinks that blitz chess doesn't produce meaningful data in the same way as a standard time control game....> Actually, I agree with your view on this. |
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Apr-11-18
 | | WannaBe: Funny, "Long analysis, wrong analysis"...
Bullet games anyone? |
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Apr-12-18
 | | Tabanus: Sure! 1.a3! |
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Apr-12-18
 | | chessgames.com: We've got several things to go over.
<Big Pawn> OK, I didn't realize you were making the distinction between blitz and rapid, but the idea is the same. If we wanted to, we could delve into the statistics of rapid vs classic as well as blitz vs classical, which may be interesting, but that's not going to change how the OE currently operates. <Keyser Soze / O'Boogie> Grow up, both of you. I don't want to hear anything more of photos which may or may not be nude, and may or may not be members of this site. Ridiculous. <whiteshark> <I'm still blocked from further comp. analysis (1hr +)> I hate that. Let me explain what's really happening here. About the Analysis Laboratory : As you noted, the error messages are *extremely* abstruse. I programmed it to show the actual error message that the chess library outputs instead of flatly saying "BAD PGN" ... but in retrospect, perhaps it's better to say nothing at all than to confuse the end-user with <Use of uninitialized value $from in hash element at /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2/Chess/PGN/EPD.pm line 913.> Next, it's important to understand that if you feed the engine server either a bad FEN or a bad PGN it usually will reject it as above, but not always, depending on what the problem is. The technical issue is that our chess library sometimes disagrees with Stockfish about what is and is not kosher. For example, a FEN with 3 white kings on the board will be instantly rejected by both our library and Stockfish. However a FEN where both players are simultaneously in check will not trigger any problem with our library, although Stockfish will (rightly) refuse to process it. Another thing I've noticed is that our library has no problem with FENs that describe a checkmate position, but Stockfish will flatly reject it, without even saying that there is an error. Tiny flaws in PGN like extraneous/missing characters are also a common source of this problem. Therefore, we currently have this annoying category of erroneous FENs/PGNs which slip through one gauntlet only to be snubbed by Stockfish. They show up in your list of pending analyses, and you can tell they are broken because they have no graphic to display the position it is working on. Because you are limited to 4 concurrent analyses, these "stuck" ones gobble up space. There is a job that runs (every few hours, I think) that flushes out all such processes, which is a really bad way to solve the problem. Finding a fix for the stuck-process issue is on our to-do list, but meanwhile you can manually click the "terminate analysis" link next to the broken jobs so that you're not locked out of analysis. <O-O vs 0-0> This is a well known issue, and the easiest way to "fix" it is to make a simple substitution, swapping out 0-0 with O-O and 0-0-0 for O-O-O. CG must have code that does that in 10 different places; I will make it 11 and fix the laboratory to bypass that common mistake. <OhioChessFan> <In major tournaments, such as Grenke, you have a game page for what will be the next day's live game set up a day in advance. In today's case, it's tomorrow's Caruana-Aronian. Why not open a page for all of the games?> We've stubbornly stuck to our tradition of showing one-game-at-one-time for various reasons, not the least of which is that when things go awry we have to resort to manual methods (i.e. typing moves in by hand). It's nice to imagine us being more in the style of chess24 where you can flip from one game to another, with all games being updated constantly, and links from one live game to the others—but we're not there yet. We considered the compromise (which maybe you are suggesting?) where the discussion threads are opened prior to the games being uploaded. In other words you can talk about a game in progress even though it's not displayed at the top of the page, then later the moves suddenly all appear at once. To me that seems rather backward, and there's always the tournament page for that. People post a FEN from a live game and make their comments. In short, let's look ahead to the full-blown solution with multiple live games each with their own live discussion. <Gashimov Memorial> Yes, very exciting, and it will be running concurrently with an exciting US championship. Look forward to live games. |
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Apr-12-18
 | | Stonehenge: Can you please upload the games that are in the queue? I don't understand why your precious biographers have to ask for this time and again. |
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| Apr-12-18 | | Count Wedgemore: This is not that big of a deal, but:
In the Chessbookie Hall of Fame page (I must say it makes quite the impression to read 'Count Wedgemore, Champion of the World'. I like the sound of that), the just finished Championship leg is wrongly labeled Winter2016. Of course it should say Winter2018. Also, for some reason, for me and TIMER who won the Winter2016 Championship, the amount we "won" don't specify 'chessbucks', like it does for every other winner of every other leg. I know I am nitpicking, but the page would look more tidy if this got fixed. |
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| Apr-12-18 | | WinKing: <Count Wedgemore: I know I am nitpicking, but the page would look more tidy if this got fixed.> Your not nitpicking <CW> it should be corrected. You have to let <chessgames> know this stuff or it will never get done. |
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| Apr-12-18 | | morfishine: Dear <CG> I have been reviewing Albin Planinc Albin Planinc I think it would be wonderful if we could archive a tournament he did well in, namely 'Amsterdam IBM 1973' There are games archived here, but the tournament is not Thanks,
best always, morf
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Apr-12-18
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<morf> there is this game collection by <FSR> that could be nominated to go to the Tournament Index: Game Collection: Vidmar Memorial It was also a memorable event for Albin Planinc |
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Apr-13-18
 | | MissScarlett: I've asked before without reply - most rude - so I'll ask again. Why can't the outstanding contents of Olimpbase and Britbase be harvested into <cg.com>? |
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Apr-13-18
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<MissScarylett> This has come up before a few times and my memory is shot but I can try- in the past <Daniel> said that the model of <Cg.com> was different than other chess websites that host game scores. He said that the wholesale import of other websites was not something that should be encouraged. I think part of the reason was that there are so many errors in existing databases that cg.com should rely on informed submitters to document the pgns before handing them in? Like the way you guys hunt down verification of scores in <the Bistro>. Apologies <Daniel> if I have misrememberd/misquoted. More reliably, I can report that my friend <crawfb5> told me that there are way more errors in <chessbase> scores than in <cg.com> scores. This came up when <Olympic Games Urcan> was dumping on our website for being inaccurate a few years ago. He used a sock account to do this, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence. "Donny Lurkmore" or something like that. "Donny Darko" maybe. For sure that's not it but something like it. |
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