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Jan-11-14
 | | chancho: I remember Dierdorf from the Monday Night Football days. He sucked back then, and clearly he has not lost the magic touch... he still sucks. |
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Jan-11-14
 | | Phony Benoni: First 43-22 game in NFL history. |
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Jan-12-14
 | | perfidious: <chancho>: Sounds rather like Matt Millen. Let us hope no teams are lining up to sign Dierdorf to a front office position. <PB>: Thought hadn't occurred to me, but it is not at all easy to get either number, especially since the, shall we say, conventional route to 43 is four TDs and five FGs. Of course, if Pats do not give up the safety, we could well have wound up with a 42-20 final. |
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Jan-12-14
 | | perfidious: On the topic of 43 points by an NFL team, twice a team has hit that number and failed to win, with one team coming up loser 50-43 in '60 and a tie in 1964. Had some fun with that link after <PB> posted it some weeks ago. Here is a repost for anyone else who is twisted enough to enjoy such stuff: http://www.pro-football-reference.c... |
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Jan-12-14 | | Jim Bartle: Jim Bartle: <We were talking about that play at the watering hole, if the kick had thrown the ball and it was incomplete, the ball would be back at the line the scrimmage and be Indy's ball.>
Great point. I hadn't thought of that. Throw an incomplete pass and the Pats take over at the 40 or wherever the line of scrimmage had been. <Free kick> If it's a free ball, then a team can just kick the ball a mile high about 15-20 yards downfield, and then it's just a jump ball. Or maybe it's only a free ball on a placekick, not a punt. Really, can you imagine the mayhem on a free punt? |
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Jan-12-14
 | | OhioChessFan: <JB: Great point. I hadn't thought of that. Throw an incomplete pass and the Pats take over at the 40 or wherever the line of scrimmage had been.> I doubt most high paid announcers have thought of that. They are often caught by surprise over such things and will announce what a brilliant play it was-because <they> hadn't considered it before. The proper play is for one eligibile receiver to make himself available near the sideline and let the punter throw it into the ground near him. I don't know if that was the punter's intent, but if so, it was the correct play. <<Free kick> If it's a free ball, then a team can just kick the ball a mile high about 15-20 yards downfield, and then it's just a jump ball.> The receiving team can call for a fair catch. |
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Jan-12-14
 | | OhioChessFan: On a related note, on 4th down, and very little time on the clock, I'm surprised teams don't have the quarterback run around a while and then throw an incomplete forward pass 50 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Occasionally you see teams have the quarterback run around a little before accepting a safety, although rarely when the line of scrimmage is farther on the field than the 20 |
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Jan-12-14 | | Jim Bartle: Of course. A fair catch.
I've always thought the referees should signal when a fair catch has been called, similar to the infield fly, as the coverage players may not see the arm in the air. Maybe two short blasts on the whistle. I think there should also be different color flags to be thrown, one for the offense, another for the defense. But that will never happen. |
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Jan-12-14
 | | OhioChessFan: The problem for refs signaling a fair catch is the players don't have time to take their eyes off the ball and other players as they do in baseball. Look up in baseball while a ball's in the air, no problem. Look up in football and someone takes your head off. I don't think the quick whistle blast would work since they're trained to stop at the whistle and I doubt players could get used to differentiating between short and long whistle blasts. I like the different color flag idea, though the refs would mess that up for sure. |
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Jan-12-14 | | Jim Bartle: You're probably right about the fair catch whistle. |
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Jan-12-14
 | | WannaBe: Bad roughing the passer call on 49ers, but Foodball God even'd things out with Carolina by Cam Newton's INT. |
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Jan-12-14 | | Jim Bartle: I think the rule is that helmet-to-helmet is a penalty in all cases, even if the offensive player turns right into it. |
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Jan-12-14
 | | OhioChessFan: I hate the rule. Some running backs purposely lead with their helmet and never get called for it, but an accidental hit by the defense gets flagged. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | keypusher: <Which brings up another question I need to look up: Can a team try an onside kick on a free kick? If so, that changes the dynamics considerably.> <Phony Benoni> The Dolphins actually beat the Bengals in 1980 with the help of an onside punt/free kick after a safety. http://news.google.com/newspapers?n... The funny thing is, I always remembered that play came against the Aints, but I was wrong. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | Phony Benoni: Wasn't Jack Thompson the "Throwin' Samoan"? |
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Jan-13-14 | | Jim Bartle: Right, the Throwin' Samoan, from Washington State. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | keypusher: The Throwin' Samoan, incidentally, was taken third overall in the 1979 NFL draft. Joe Montana was the last guy taken in the third round. http://www.pro-football-reference.c... (New Orleans used their first-round pick on Russell Erxleben, I notice.) In 1974, the Steelers drafted Mike Webster, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Lynn Swann. I learned about those draft picks (other than Erxleben) from <The Last Headbangers>, an entertaining if sometimes sloppily researched look at 1970s football. http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Head... |
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Jan-13-14 | | Jim Bartle: Thompson is a lesser light in the long line of QBs taken in the top five who never panned out. Montana wasn't even the 49ers' first choice. In the second round they took UCLA running back James Owens, who never did anything, and the Niners were in desperate need of a decent back until they got Tyler and Craig in the mid-80s. But Montana really didn't look that great at Notre Dame. Even if the famous "chicken soup" comeback win against Houston, he didn't play all that great. Kept throwing interceptions in the fourth quarter. Walsh saw something that few others did, aided by necessity since the incumbent QB was Steve DeBerg. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | keypusher: <Jim Bartle>
I looked up the <Chicken Soup> game...very strange. Houston was ahead 34-12 with seven and a half minutes to go. Then ND blocked a punt and ran it in for a score. Montana threw a two-point conversion. Then ND had a 61-yard drive for a score, followed by Montana throwing for another two-point conversion. 34-28. Then ND drove again...and Montana fumbled at the Houston 20 with 1:50 left. Houston recovered. On 4th and 1 with 28 second left at the 29, Houston went for it...and was stopped. Montana ran for a first down, then threw for another. After an incomplete pass, he threw a TD with two seconds left. The ND kicker had to kick the winning extra point twice -- the first time there was an illegal-procedure penalty. So why did Houston go for it? Well, they had already had one punt blocked, and they were facing a strong wind...I imagine there was a lot of second-guessing over that, though. http://media.attcottonbowl.com/reso... Montana's line: 13-34 with four picks. 163 yards. Of course, he was very sick, and it's amazing that he played at all. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | WannaBe: Bring back the live bear.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b... |
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Jan-13-14 | | Jim Bartle: I watched that game in full just a couple of weeks ago. Was surprised at the lack of heroics from Montana. I was at the Grand Canyon waiting to hike in the next day, and watching games at a hotel. The Montana game was on at the same time as the game as the Woody Hayes punch game. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | keypusher: <I was at the Grand Canyon waiting to hike in the next day, and watching games at a hotel. The Montana game was on at the same time as the game as the Woody Hayes punch game.> I was living in upstate S.C. at the time...so the Ohio State-Clemson game got <all> the attention where I was. People couldn't believe that Clemson could beat Woody Hayes and the Buckeyes! |
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Jan-13-14
 | | WannaBe: On StubHub, cheapest ticket at Denver is 104, the cheapest ticket at Seattle, (standing room only) is 393. The last game at Candlestick, the Monday Nigjt game vs. Atlanta, was around 200... |
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Jan-13-14 | | Jim Bartle: I thought you paid 200 to get out of Candlestick. |
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Jan-13-14
 | | OhioChessFan: They paid him 200 to get out of Candlestick. |
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