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Oct-25-21
 | | MissScarlett: I'm no stranger to legal threats. Just last week I was outrageously implicated in an unfortunate accident when Professor Plum got his head caved in with a candlestick in the conservatory. |
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Oct-26-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<MissScarlett> Congratulations on your narrow escape. Imagine if you were convicted, given that in fact Professor Plum was killed in the library with the wrench. Best to avoid Inspector Plods altogether if you can manage it, brah. |
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Oct-26-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Stephen
I am trying to correct a game that had an incorrect score- one move was wrong. This is the game with correct score:
[Event "The Hague Olympiad"]
[Site "The Hague NED"]
[Date "1928.07.31"]
[Round "12"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[White "Vladimir Petrov"]
[Black "Josef Rejfir"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 d5 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3
Be7 7. Rc1 O-O 8. cxd5 exd5 9. Bd3 Re8 10. Qc2 Nf8 11. O-O
Nh5 12. Bxe7 Qxe7 13. a3 Qd6 14. Na4 Re7 15. Nc5 g6 16. b4
Be6 17. a4 Rc8 18. Qd2 Rec7 19. Rc2 f6 20. Rfc1 Qe7 21. Ne1
Ng7 22. Nxe6 Nfxe6 23. Be2 Ne8 24. Nd3 Nd6 25. Nc5 Ng5
26. Bd3 f5 27. b5 Nde4 28. Nxe4 fxe4 29. Bf1 Ne6 30. bxc6
Rxc6 31. Rxc6 Rxc6 32. Rxc6 bxc6 1/2-1/2
The incorrect score had one wrong move: 12...Qd7 instead of 12...Qxe7 But every time I try, the correct move is fixed, but the game score stops at move 14. Here is the game page: Petrov vs J Rejfir, 1928 The correct score will play with the pgnweb viewer, but not Olga. Olga cuts off the score after the 14th move. Please help me~! |
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Oct-26-21
 | | Stonehenge: I've changed 14...Rxe7 to 14...Re7. Problem solved :) |
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Oct-26-21
| | MissScarlett: Silly cow. |
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Oct-26-21
| | jessicafischerqueen:
Whoa thanks you guys! |
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| Oct-26-21 | | Z truth 000000001: Great riposte by <JFQ>... * * * * *
<<Missy> I'm no stranger to legal threats. Just last week I was outrageously implicated in an unfortunate accident when Professor Plum got his head caved in with a candlestick in the conservatory.> I know it's been said before, but it's worth noting again: <There's no disgrace in being arrested MissScarlett. Kings, prime ministers, archbishops, even barristers have stood in the dock.> To wit I mix my metaphors, sorta:
<Many's the good man before now drank out of the bottle> |
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Oct-28-21
| | Stonehenge: Steve, can you remove Player - PFUIMAC7P and Player - PPP0QQQPPP1QQQ from the <Players> correction slips. There have been dozens of these but I can't delete these two. This kind of nonsensical slips are probably due to a bug. Something else, I'm sure we want to see live games during the World Championship. Why not practice with a game from the FIDE Grand Swiss (2021)? |
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Oct-29-21
 | | Tabanus: <Steve> Please restore the disappeared game Fischer vs Weinstock but with Black = Karl Vine, pid = 170304 (Karl Vine). I still don't know how to do this :( |
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Oct-30-21
| | MissScarlett: Is it obligatory to start off every request here with <Steve>? <Steve>, could you remove the duplicated <GOTD> on my list? |
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Oct-30-21
| | Tabanus: I can see why a deleted game should become a ghost game, so it can be restored. But (if possible) it should not block itself, or be counted in the stats. I should have created a new player first, and then changed to the new pid. |
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Oct-30-21
| | Stonehenge: You should have left Karl Vine alone in the first place. |
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Oct-30-21
| | Tabanus: <Stonehenge> I think we have to have two pages for some (very few) players. Did Steiner play Vine before the War? No, he played against "Weinstock". Similarly, Fischer vs Weinstock should be Fischer vs Vine. I'm pretty sure that few historians would like to publish a game such as Steiner vs Vine (1937). |
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| Oct-30-21 | | login:
The guy's identity qua birth is 'Weinstock' - this has not changed after emigration 'arbitrarily taking on' (for very good reasons) an American name in the process. 'Did Steiner play Vine before the War?'
'Vine' is a persona aquired chronologically later, so that question has no relevance. Inset: (now = Ivano-Frankivsk in western Ukraine) should read (today Ivano-Frankivsk, Ukraine). There's no reasons why Wikipedia keeps using wU here, as it is stated two sentences later as being (just) the (westerners') 'geographical and historical relative term', but not the factual country name. Normally in a database (containing identity records/entries) this player remains 'Weinstock' no matter what, with an additional redirect/note for the namechange to Vine (from 1940 on until his death). Exception of the rule, e.g. Garik Weinstein.
But you can pretty much do whatever you want (IMO a critical flaw on this site) as this project remains unattended, but please respect the name at birth as highest priority to whatever change/merger/delete/creation you ever come up with.
The much more interesting (general historical) viewpoint can be read e.g. here https://ancestralfindings.com/chang... https://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/0...
Going down the rabbit hole
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onoma...
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Oct-30-21
| | Stonehenge: So we should make seperate player files for married women who took their husband's name? Or keep their birth name, even when FIDE has adopted their new surname? I don't think so. |
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Oct-30-21
| | Tabanus: No definately not two pages for married or divorced women. That would be way too much. |
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Oct-31-21
| | Tabanus: Or (to be more precise) not players with FIDE ID. <Steve> When you're back, also please force in [Event "Reykjavik Open"]
[Site "Reykjavik ISL"]
[Date "1990.03.19"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Wedberg, Tom"]
[Black "Olafsson, Helgi"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2485"]
[BlackElo "2575"]
[EventDate "1990.03.17"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 Re8 11. Ng5 Rf8 12. Nf3 Re8 13. Ng5 Rf8 14. Nf3 1/2-1/2 Why should we present an incomplete event? |
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Oct-31-21
| | MissScarlett: <No definately not two pages for married or divorced women. That would be way too much.> How about the transitioned transgendered? |
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Nov-01-21
| | MissScarlett: <<Steve>, could you remove the duplicated <GOTD> on my list?> +1. Just the one, not both, I mean. |
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Nov-01-21
| | MissScarlett: I assume you know what you're doing. Both will disappear when the one is expended. |
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Nov-02-21
| | MissScarlett: Steve, will you do your job? |
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| Nov-02-21 | | diceman: Steve, I've probably run 10 to 12 positions since the computer repair, and they ran fine. The other day, I ran one, and it had no analysis for move 16 on: Game-1
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.Nge2 Nbd7 7.Ng3 g6 8.Bd3 h5 9.h3 a6 10.Be3 h4 11.Nge2 Nh5 12.a3 Bg5 13.Bxg5 Qxg5 14.Rg1 Nf4 15.Nxf4 exf4 <1.d4 ♘otes by Stockfish 11 (minimum 30s/ply) Nf6 2.c4 c5
3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.Nge2 Nbd7 ? 6...h5 7.♘g1 h4 8.h3
♘h5 9.♘f3 ♘d7 10.♗e3 ♘f4 11.♗d2 ⩲ +0.61 (34 ply) 7.Ng3 ⩲
+1.45 (33 ply) g6 better is 7...h6 8.♗d3 O-O 9.a3 ♘h7 10.♘f5
♘df6 11.O-O ♗xf5 ⩲ +0.91 (33 ply) 8.Bd3 ? 8.♗h6 ♗f8 9.♗d2
h5 10.♗e2 ♗g7 11.♕c2 O-O 12.h4 ♘b6 ⩲ +1.47 (33 ply) h5 ⩲
+0.70 (31 ply) 9.h3 ? 9.♘f1 h4 10.♕e2 ♘h5 11.g3 ♘b6 12.♗e3
♗h3 13.♖g1 ♗g5 ⩲ +1.19 (32 ply) a6 better is 9...h4 10.♘f1
♘h5 11.♘h2 ♔f8 12.♗e2 ♘f4 13.O-O ♔g7 14.a3 = +0.35 (33 ply)
10.Be3 ? 10.♘f1 h4 11.♘d2 ♘h5 12.♘f3 ♘f4 13.O-O g5 14.♖b1 ♖g8
⩲ +1.04 (30 ply) h4 = 0.00 (37 ply) 11.Nge2 Nh5 ?
11...♘h7 12.O-O ♗g5 13.♕d2 ♗xe3 14.♕xe3 O-O 15.a3 ♕g5 = 0.00
(36 ply) 12.a3 ? 12.♕d2 g5 13.g3 ♘f8 14.O-O-O ♘g6 15.♔b1 ♗d7
16.♖dg1 f6 ⩲ +1.01 (35 ply) Bg5 better is 12...g5 13.♖b1
♘f4 14.O-O ♔f8 15.b4 b6 16.♖e1 ♔g7 17.♘c1 = +0.13 (32 ply)
13.Bxg5 ? 13.♕d2 ♗xe3 14.♕xe3 ♖b8 15.g4 ♘hf6 16.♘g1 b5
17.cxb5 ⩲ +0.84 (33 ply) Qxg5 ⩱ -0.76 (33 ply) 14.Rg1
? 14.O-O ♘f4 15.♘xf4 exf4 16.♗e2 O-O 17.b4 a5 18.bxc5 ♘xc5 =
-0.35 (35 ply) Nf4 ⩱ -1.17 (21 ply) 15.Nxf4 exf4 *> |
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| Nov-02-21 | | diceman: To see if it was a fluke, I did another and the same thing happened: Game-2
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.Nge2 Nbd7 7.Ng3 g6 8.Bh6 a6 9.Bd3 Bf8 10.Be3 h5 11.f3 h4 12.Nge2 Bh6 13.Bf2 Bg5 14.Bc2 Kf8 15.a3 Kg7 <1.d4 ♘otes by Stockfish 11 (minimum 30s/ply) Nf6 2.c4 c5
3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.Nge2 Nbd7 ? 6...h5 7.♘g1 h4 8.h3
♘h5 9.♘f3 ♘d7 10.♗e3 ♘f4 11.♗d2 ⩲ +0.61 (34 ply) 7.Ng3 ⩲
+1.45 (33 ply) g6 better is 7...h6 8.♗d3 O-O 9.a3 ♘h7 10.♘f5
♘df6 11.O-O ♗xf5 ⩲ +0.91 (33 ply) 8.Bh6 ⩲ +1.47 (33
ply) a6 better is 8...♗f8 9.♗d2 h5 10.♗e2 ♗g7 11.♘f1 ♘b6
12.♘e3 a5 13.a4 ⩲ +0.89 (34 ply) 9.Bd3 better is 9.h4 ♗f8
10.♗d2 h5 11.♗d3 ♗g7 12.f3 O-O 13.♗g5 ♘b6 ± +1.61 (35 ply)
Bf8 ⩲ +0.97 (35 ply) 10.Be3 ? 10.♗d2 h5 11.h4 ♘g8 12.♘f1
♘e7 13.f3 ♗g7 14.♘e3 ♘b6 15.g4 ⩲ +1.47 (32 ply) h5 ⩲
+0.71 (32 ply) 11.f3 ? 11.h4 ♗e7 12.♗g5 O-O 13.f3 ♘e8
14.♗xe7 ♕xe7 15.♕d2 ♘c7 ⩲ +1.31 (32 ply) h4 = +0.29 (36
ply) 12.Nge2 Bh6 13.Bf2 ? 13.♗xh6 ♖xh6 14.♕d2 ♖h8 15.O-O-O
♔f8 16.♔b1 ♔g7 17.♖hf1 ⩲ +1.23 (31 ply) Bg5 ⩱ -1.01 (31
ply) after 13...♘h5 14.a4 ♕f6 15.h3 ♗f4 16.♘xf4 exf4 17.♔d2
♘e5 14.Bc2 Kf8 = -0.20 (18 ply) after 14...♖b8 15.a4 ♘h5
16.O-O b6 17.b3 O-O 18.h3 ♔g7 19.♕e1 15.a3 Kg7 *> |
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| Nov-02-21 | | diceman: This is how it should look:
Game 3
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.Nge2 Nbd7 7.Ng3 g6 8.Be2 h5 9.0-0 h4 10.Nh1 Nh5 11.Rb1 a6 12.a3 Nf4 13.b4 Bg5 14.Be3 b6 15.a4 cxb4 <1.d4 ♘otes by Stockfish 11 (minimum 30s/ply) Nf6 2.c4 c5
3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.Nge2 Nbd7 ? 6...h5 7.♘g1 h4 8.h3
♘h5 9.♘f3 ♘d7 10.♗e3 ♘f4 11.♗d2 ⩲ +0.61 (34 ply) 7.Ng3 ⩲
+1.45 (33 ply) g6 better is 7...h6 8.♗d3 O-O 9.a3 ♘h7 10.♘f5
♘df6 11.O-O ♗xf5 ⩲ +0.91 (33 ply) 8.Be2 ? 8.♗h6 ♗f8 9.♗d2
h5 10.♗e2 ♗g7 11.♕c2 O-O 12.h4 ♘b6 ⩲ +1.47 (33 ply) h5 ⩲
+0.70 (34 ply) 9.O-O ? 9.♘f1 h4 10.♕d3 ♘h5 11.g3 ♘b6 12.♘e3
♗g5 13.♗d2 ♕e7 ⩲ +1.19 (31 ply) h4 = 0.00 (35 ply) 10.Nh1
Nh5 ? 10...♘h7 11.f3 ♗g5 12.♘f2 ♗xc1 13.♖xc1 ♘df6 14.b4 cxb4
= +0.08 (32 ply) 11.Rb1 ? 11.♗xh5 ♖xh5 12.f4 exf4 13.♗xf4 h3
14.g3 ♔f8 15.♘f2 ♔g8 ⩲ +1.00 (36 ply) a6 ? 11...♘df6
12.♗xh5 ♘xh5 13.f3 ♗g5 14.♘f2 ♗xc1 15.♕xc1 ♘f4 = -0.46 (36
ply) 12.a3 ? 12.♗xh5 ♖xh5 13.a4 ♔f8 14.f3 ♔g7 15.♘f2 ♖h8
16.♗d2 ♘f6 ⩲ +0.78 (35 ply) Nf4 = 0.00 (37 ply) 13.b4 ?
13.♗g4 ♘f6 14.♗xc8 ♖xc8 15.f3 ♘6h5 16.♘f2 O-O 17.♗e3 ♗g5 =
+0.30 (34 ply) Bg5 ? 13...♔f8 14.♗e3 ♔g7 15.h3 b6 16.♕d2 ♗g5
17.♖fc1 a5 ⩱ -0.84 (32 ply) 14.Be3 better is 14.♖e1 O-O
15.♗f1 ♘h5 16.f3 a5 17.bxa5 ♖xa5 18.♘f2 ♔g7 = 0.00 (33 ply)
b6 better is 14...f5 15.♗f3 ♖b8 16.bxc5 ♘xc5 17.♗xc5 dxc5
18.d6 ♗e6 ⩱ -0.74 (30 ply) 15.a4 ? 15.♖e1 O-O 16.♗f1 ♘h5
17.♕c1 ♗xe3 18.♕xe3 ♘f4 19.bxc5 = 0.00 (33 ply) cxb4 ⩱
-1.41 (31 ply); 16.♖xb4 O-O 17.♖b2 ♖b8 18.♖e1 ♔g7 19.♗f1 ♘h5
20.♗xg5 ⩱ -0.74 (32 ply)} *>
It shows what it thinks should be played from move 16 on: <16.♖xb4 O-O 17.♖b2 ♖b8 18.♖e1 ♔g7 19.♗f1 ♘h5
20.♗xg5 ⩱ -0.74 (32 ply) *>
...and if I go to move 15 and click engine, I can get the whole line: <1) -0.74 (32 ply) 16.Rxb4 O-O 17.Rb2 Rb8 18.Re1 Kg7 19.Bf1 Nh5 20.Bxg5 Qxg5 21.f3 Nf4 22.Nf2 Nc5 23.Kh1 Bd7 24.Qc2 Rfc8 25.Reb1 Qd8 26.Ng4 Bxg4 27.fxg4 g5 28.Kg1 Qc7 29.g3 hxg3 30.hxg3 Ng6 31.Qd2 Qd8 32.a5 bxa5> I can't do that for games 1 and 2.
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Nov-02-21
| | MissScarlett: Is Steve on holiday again? Why doesn't he remove the offending pun, as requested? |
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