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Aug-06-11 | | sevenseaman: The move 35. Nxd6 is like a MIRV (Multi-warhead Independently-targeted Re-entry Vehicle). Its too much to carry on after. Morphy was the rarest of a chess talent, no question. Such great occurrences have the capacity to delight generations of posterity without finding a peer. |
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Feb-29-12
 | | artsys: They said Kasparov was the best and was unbeatable. Kramnik, who didn't even qualify for the World Championship and was lucky to get a chance to play Kaspy, defeated him without losing a single game, yet Kasparov is the best attacking player of all time. There is absolutely no way to tell how well Morphy would do, but considering his tactical skills, I am more than willing to give Morphy a chance. Here's why: Morphy's skill in open games, and in tactics, has not really been attained by anyone before or since, and that is the analysis of just about every chess world champion. Whatever edge he may have in tactics will be dulled by the gap in theory, and the chances are, fresh out of the box, he will lose, but in a set match, I'll stand with Fischer's words and say, yes, he'd win. |
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Nov-20-12 | | Llawdogg: The pride and the sorrow of chess. |
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Mar-04-14
 | | LIFE Master AJ: This IS a beautiful game ...
(I am pretty sure I have seen it before, I played through the whole book of Morphy's games when I was like 10-11 years old.)Nonetheless, it IS a really FANTASTIC game (Thanks to <keypusher> for posting a link to it); ... and it looks pretty modern to me. |
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Mar-07-14
 | | LIFE Master AJ: And - for all the talk (in kibitzing on Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851) of how badly the players of the 1800's played, this game has a nice look to it. (The opening certainly does not look terrible.) |
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Mar-07-14
 | | LIFE Master AJ: VERY brilliant play by Morphy!!!!! |
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Mar-18-14 | | RookFile: Euwe got it right when he said that Morphy played a great game. I find Harrwitz's play interesting as well - there is a Lasker like fighting element to it. After 24. Rf2: click for larger viewNot helpful for black is 24.... Bxb5 25. Qxb5 b6 27. Qc6 Rc8 28. Qd7 and white starts capturing things. Black has two logical moves:
A) Press the "random" button with ...d5
with the idea of ...Bc5
B) Play ...h6, to try to shore up his
kingside defense.
Maybe Morphy wins anyway, but these appear to be logical tries. |
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Mar-18-14
 | | LIFE Master AJ: I recently - using ChessBase - played through more than 200+ games of Morphy. After this review, I have to conclude that this might be his best game ... |
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Aug-16-15 | | morfishine: <LIFE Master AJ> This comment collapses under its own weight: <I have to conclude that this might be his best game...> "Conclude" and "Might" do not go together in the same sentence ***** |
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Aug-16-15 | | zanzibar: What I like about this game is how Morphy pressurized the K-side, then went on the attack on the Q-side to weaken Black for the final attack. |
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Aug-17-15
 | | offramp: I have reached the conclusion that this is a game of chess. |
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Aug-17-15 | | john barleycorn: @<zanzibar>
I put this Morphy game up there with these 2 I know and appreciate. It breathes the same "spirit" (whatever this is) for me: Pillsbury vs Lasker, 1904
Steinitz vs Showalter, 1898 |
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Jan-21-16 | | talhal20: For Morphy's genius 6 months is enough time to come to grips with the present day chess and then see what happens to the present day grandmasters. |
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Jan-21-16
 | | offramp: <talhal20: For Morphy's genius 6 months is enough time to come to grips with the present day chess and then see what happens to the present day grandmasters.> <I'm always hearing (and reading) that "If the players of yesteryear could only catch up with opening theory, they'd be as good or better than today's players". The funny thing is that the many years (usually decades) of study that modern players put into opening theory should not only count towards their strength, but that study and practice contributes vastly to their understanding of the middlegame and even some endgames. The silly idea that you can just 'catch up' in opening theory ignores the vast undertaking that this would involve, especially to absorb the vast number of openings and opening variations necessary to a complete chess education.>
- John L Watson |
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Jan-21-16 | | visayanbraindoctor: This is the first time I have replayed this game. Morphy creates little deflection combinations that smoothly flow into the next. I think Harrwitz played a terrible positional game. He gives up the center and lashes out on a wing attack while White dominates the center. Wing attacks are more justified for Black here if the center were locked. (This is a typical theme in the KID Black Kingside pawn avalanche attacks.) In this case, White clearly had ways to make his center mobile. 30. c5! is the start of a brilliant and beautiful combination that is not easily seen from the starting position. It's a deflection sacrifice whichever way Black captures. The obvious deflection occurs in the line 30... dxc5. The d-pawn is deflected away from its defense of the e5 pawn, and White can reply with 31. Qxe5 So obvious that Morphy already knew that Harrwitz would not play that. What's not obvious is that Morphy was planning on deflecting the Black Rook away from the 7th rank if it captures the pawn. 30. c5! Rxc5
Suddenly the 7th rank is minus a Black Rook. Now comes the more obvioius sac 31. Rxh7! which degrades the Black King's pawn cover and also acts as another deflection sac to force the Black King onto the h7 square, precisely where it can be further checked by the traditionally deadly attacking combo of Q + N. 31. Rxh7+! Kxh7 32. Qh5+ Kg8 33. Nxe7+ (which is another deflection tactic BTW) Only now does it become clear what Morphy's intention is for his original c5 deflection sac. Note that if Black's Rook were still on the 7th rank, he could capture with 33... Rxe7. I think Black would still be lost but the game would be prolonged. Now Harrwitz finds that he cannot recapture with his Queen because it gets deflected away from the the defense of his g6 Rook. If 33... Qxe7, then 34. Qxg6+. So Black is left with 33... Kg7, and White wins quickly with the obvious 34. Nf5+ Kg8 35. Nxd6 The series of moves meant to deflect Black's pieces forms a moving pattern both brilliant and beautiful. |
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Jan-21-16 | | visayanbraindoctor: What better way for Watson to prove his idea than to beat one of these pre WW2 masters over the board? <The funny thing is that the many years (usually decades) of study that modern players put into opening theory should not only count towards their strength, but that study and practice contributes vastly to their understanding of the middlegame and even some endgames. The silly idea that you can just 'catch up' in opening theory ignores the vast undertaking that this would involve, especially to absorb the vast number of openings and opening variations necessary to a complete chess education.> - John L Watson> Let Watson try trolling such statements to Almost World Champion Keres (who began his chess career in the 1920s and whose prime IMO was 1938 to 1943). The really funny thing is that when Watson did get to meet this archaic pre WW2 master over the board in a real competitive event, the old master thrashed him silly, showing just who had the really silly idea. Keres vs J L Watson, 1975 |
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Apr-29-17 | | bkpov: Morphy used to intice his opponents. By studying his games it appears that he had a fairly good idea what bait they will bite. Precognition. Spiderman like.
There may be many greats but he was the natural.
natural Morphy meticulous Karpov who else you need. |
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May-04-22 | | paulmorphy1969: I often read coments Morphy today would not win against a modern grandmaster.With what logic can you compare a player of the 1800s who played with pure talent and intuition without studying chess with a grandmaster of today who lives on chess and only chess 365 days a year studying and continuously checking with students, programs, etc., this discourse does not seem to have any logic.Let's try to reverse the discourse who today's great teacher without any knowledge of books, theory, programs, etc., but playing only with his own skills. Back in 1800 could he beat Morphy?
Answer none.Fisher's statement is absolutely true. Because Morphy had an exceptional brain capable of learning fast, great memory, and great positional intuition. Morphy played very fast never more than one two minutes per move, he played with intuition.Then many do not know that Morphy playing with his Maurian friend by giving the Horse the advantage has experienced closed game matches such as 1.g3 1.b3 1.f4.One last thing in Morphy's favor, and that if you analyze today with search engines you will find that 80% Morphy performed the best moves, and we are talking about games of 1857, without theoretical knowledge without studying only with the positional instinct.If Morphy lived today and could have access to modern material he would be a tough opponent for everyone to beat.One last thing is that only a small part of his enormous capacity has been glimpsed of Morphy. private homes Other witnesses reporting Morphy's performances in New Orleans in private homes against 16 simultaneous blind opponents.What is known about Morphy is just the tip of the iceberg. His strength has never been explored. And ultimately, all of Morphy's achievements have been achieved in just 3 years of tournament challenges etc. No player in history. of chess became a legend playing only 3 years. |
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Nov-10-23 | | fabelhaft: <Let Watson try trolling such statements to Almost World Champion Keres (who began his chess career in the 1920s and whose prime IMO was 1938 to 1943). The really funny thing is that when Watson did get to meet this archaic pre WW2 master over the board in a real competitive event, the old master thrashed him silly, showing just who had the really silly idea> I think Watson isn't trolling as much as questioning the often repeated claim that Morphy would be #1 if he just got <a little time to look at opening theory>, and similar statements about how little effort that would be needed for players of previous centuries to be the same level as the best players today. All the years of professional training, GM coaching, international tournament circuits, decades of chess study, engines, etc, is often suggested to give no advantage whatsoever for players like Carlsen or Kasparov compared to the players of the 1800s. A glance at opening theory is suggested to be enough to be the same level or better. This suggests that the talent of modern players must be much lower than that of the players of the 1800s. Watson certainly doesn't mean that he, who was barely in the top 1000, would beat Keres who just had played Tallinn (1975) and that result speaks for itself about how strong he was. |
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Nov-10-23
 | | moronovich: Well put, <fabelhaft>. "If ignorance is bliss
the world will be ruled by geniuses".
Strinton Garnweiler |
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Nov-11-23
 | | keypusher: < LIFE Master AJ: And - for all the talk (in kibitzing on Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851) of how badly the players of the 1800's played, this game has a nice look to it. (The opening certainly does not look terrible.)> There's a pretty big improvement available in the opening: 7....Be7, and if 8.Qxg7 Bf6 is near-equal. Giving a more precise link for AJ's comment about 19th-century levels of play. Anderssen vs Kieseritzky, 1851 (kibitz #359) |
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Nov-11-23 | | stone free or die: <<pm1969> Morphy played very fast never more than one two minutes per move, he played with intuition.> Is this true? On what basis? |
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Nov-11-23
 | | keypusher: < stone free or die: <<pm1969> Morphy played very fast never more than one two minutes per move, he played with intuition.>
Is this true? On what basis?>
You will sometimes read that the longest Morphy took over a single move is the queen sacrifice against Paulsen, 12 minutes. I'm skeptical because there were no chess clocks and I doubt every move Morphy ever played was timed. But below pm1969 at least cites somebody. I can't tell you anything about Gianfelice Ferlito, though. Sargeant's book of Morphy games gives the time used for the game as a whole for some of Morphy's match and tournament games. Three-five hours is typical, although some of the Paulsen games were far longer, and Morphy's 17-move blitz against Anderssen took just half an hour, while Anderssen's 77-move win (played the same day!) took six hours. <paulmorphy1969: From the studies of the Italian historian Gianfelice Ferlito who studied Morphy, it appears that he was extremely fast and almost never thought more than 1 or 2 minutes at most before moving, perhaps the fastest ever.For the match with Paulsen the reflection times that exceeded 5 minutes per move were noted, morphy in the fomosa game of queen sacrifice reflected 12 minutes and on two occasions he exceeded 5 minutes per move while Paulsen also thought 2-3 hours for 3-4 moves.> Morphy vs Bird, 1858 (kibitz #66) |
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Nov-11-23 | | stone free or die: Thanks <kp> for finding that post. Now I have to learn who <Gianfelice Ferlito> is. I was aware of the great discrepancy in rate of play between Paulsen and Morphy, and how Morphy would sometimes get frustrated with infuriating slow play (of Paulsen maybe, or perhaps of others, I can't remember off the top of my head). |
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Nov-11-23
 | | keypusher: <SFOD>
In that same thread that I quoted pm1969 from <nimh > said that Anderssen played very fast/quicker than Morphy, though he did not cite anyone. In the 77-move game I mentioned it appeared that overall Anderssen and Morphy averaged about 2 1/3 minutes per move (360/153). |
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