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|Sep-22-08|| ||agb2002: <VooDooMoves: <agb2002> I too first looked at 17 Nc5 as in your line <A> but it's a blunder as it allows the fork 17...Qf5+ and there is no way to answer the check while defending the knight.> You're right. I knew line B) was the solution so I didn't pay any attention to the details in line A). Thank you for keeping me honest!|
|Sep-22-08|| ||johnlspouge: Monday (Very Easy): Tal vs Tringov, 1958 (17.?)|
White to play and win.
Material: Down a P. The Black Ke8 has 2 legal moves. The Black Qe4 is somewhat exposed.
Candidates (17.): Qxd7+
17.Qxd7+ Kxd7 18.Nc5+
White captures 19.Nxe4 and has won a B.
|Sep-22-08|| ||euripides: <Kingg, newzild>
9.Nb3 is only found in this database here and in
J Fichtl vs Tal, 1958
I don't know which order they were played in. In either case, there presumably is a problem with White's game.
<11...Nxe4 11.Nxe4 Qxf4 12.Nxd6 Bxd6> is interesting but looks complicated: one line runs 13.g3 Qe4 14.Qxd6 Qxh1+ 15.Kf2 Qxh2+ 16.Ke3 g5 17.Rd1 Nd7 (Nc6 18.Na5 gxh4 19.Nxc6 Qxg3+ 20.Qxg3 hxg3 21.Rd8 mate)18.Bh5 Qh3 19.Nc5 gxh4 and Black seems to come out better. Perhaps Black could simply play 12...Qxd6 though after 13.Bd3 White seems to have something for the pawn.
|Sep-22-08|| ||zb2cr: Quick and simple. Queen sacrifice sets up the King as a vulnerable target for a forking check.|
17. Qxd7+, Kxd7 (forced); 18. Nc5+, K (any); 19. Nxe4 leaves White up by B vs. P. At GM level, with Queens off the board, this is a mechanical win.
|Sep-22-08|| ||newzild: euripides:
Yeah, as I say, it's because the two extra moves 7...h6 and 8.Bh4 have been thrown in.
With the following standard move order:
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8. Nb3 Qe3+?!
White scores 51.4 per cent wins and only 16.2 per cent losses, according to the 37 games recorded in the 365chess.com openings database.
|Sep-22-08|| ||mjmorri: 16...Bd7??
What was Tringov smoking?
|Sep-22-08|| ||JG27Pyth: Of course Tringov would have resigned against a <weaker> player. But this was Tal... so after 17.Qxd7 Tringov fought the impulse to stand up in his chair and shreik, "but I'm an IMBECILE" (this a sly reference, perhaps, to the poet Lermontov, who once shrieked: "but I am a poet" in reply to his landlady's request for timely rent) -- no he stifled this impulse and instead shook his head just a bit sadly as if to say, *I expected better from the "great" Tal* (He placed quotes around '"great"' with a slight reverse twitch on the penultimate shake) Then Tringov played through his next few moves quickly with a faint but perceptible contempt, culminating in 19...f5 where Tringov gave his advancing pawn a vulgar little twist as though screwing it into the table, as though this were skittles at an outdoor cafe, in Vilnius, a late spring afternoon with the crows passing overhead their shadows mingling with the leaves and that tristesse that always comes when I think of Cinzia's brunette... but I digress... |
...yes Tringonov twisted his pawn into place and looked directly into Tal's eye with a gaze cold and comfortless as the line outside the Riga Department of Motor Vehicles in January -- there could be no mistaking Tringov's meaning <...there Tal, there, do you see, do you see it now?...>
And he didn't! No. Tal, saw nothing, it was as if Tringov had simply blundered away a bishop and pawn without the least compensation. How fiendish! Tal searched the board, chain-smoking hideous Kozzak brand cigarettes as he did -- big cardboard tubes of stinking Black Sea tobacco, like sucking diesel exhaust straight from the stack (if diesel fumes smelled like burning hair....) The billows of choking grey smoke rose from the table as if from the funeral pyre Tal realized his position had become... my God this infernal Tringonov or whatever his name is, how he'd underestimated him... yes, there it was -- how had it eluded him before? Brilliant! There was no need to play this out... he reached for his King, ready to lay it calmly on it's side, (like a little drunkard fat man laying down suddenly on the sidewalk) and admit Tringov had found a combination as far-reaching as his own best efforts, but... wait... of course, an underpromtion to N (obvious), then the double check, sac the rook (worth an exclamation point) and then Kh3 (!!) and he might just get some counterplay... hmmm... Tal played on... Nc5... what's this? Tringov resigns? Ah well, thought Tal, he must have given me credit for something truly deep -- it happens.
|Sep-22-08|| ||Ladolcevita: i think this is just a simple trick,which could happen to every game,however master or primary.....|
|Sep-22-08|| ||weary willy: The only reason to pause is so that you can check that Tal hasn't already sacced a rook to get to this position|
|Sep-22-08|| ||bennytschet: What was the reason for Tal's 16th move (Kf2) ?
|Sep-22-08|| ||weary willy: <What was the reason for Tal's 16th move (Kf2) ?> Castling (artificially) - if necessary, the King could go to g1 ... also freeing up the bishop on e2 from the pin by the queen|
|Sep-22-08|| ||kevin86: As this was a Monday puzzle,I was looking for a queen sac that leads to a quick mate;instead,white forces the queen down his opponent's throats to set up a fork and regain of the queen.|
This is what I like to call "A loan at shark rates".
|Sep-22-08|| ||zb2cr: Hi <JG27Pyth>,
Excellent stream-of-consciousness writing, with full marks for sardonicism. I would give you an 88.
|Sep-22-08|| ||YouRang: Nice & easy as a Monday should be. One should always be cautious about having pieces that are defended only by your king. It may lead to nasty decoy tactics such as this one that Tal found.|
|Sep-22-08|| ||Chris1Clark: 'Once' if you like this track down chessvibes.com and a lecture from Jonathon Rowson a British GM thta has a fab session on pictures and patterns given a tournament he won this spring in Sardinia. Might have to search the site for it but it is a cool site.|
|Sep-22-08|| ||emde: I think that King's move had more to do with psychology than with calculation. Tal knew that after his move, Black might want to do the first obvious thing: castle and attack the king in the open. But to do it, you need to move the bishop first, and then comes the little nasty surprise..|
|Sep-22-08|| ||dzechiel: <<emde>: I think that King's move had more to do with psychology than with calculation. Tal knew that after his move, Black might want to do the first obvious thing: castle and attack the king in the open. But to do it, you need to move the bishop first, and then comes the little nasty surprise.>|
I had the exact same feeling. After 16 Kf2 it looks like white only wants to complete his "castling" maneuver with 17 Kg1. Black would naturally like to castle to the queen side bringing the rook to bear on the d-file, and the "natural" way to do this is 17...Bd7.
If I was a betting man, I would give odds that Tal's king move was designed to exploit this "normal" line of play, but we will never know for sure.
|Sep-22-08|| ||Kasputin: Young or old, new to the game or not - you gotta love knight forks.|
|Sep-22-08|| ||DarthStapler: Got it easily|
|Sep-22-08|| ||johnlspouge: Hi, <JG27Pyth>.
To echo <zb2cr>'s somewhat tepid praise of your prose, I am reminded of what A.E. Housman once said of Robinson Ellis, a competing though obviously inferior classicist: "His reader is in constant contact with the mind of an idiot child."
I am not sure why I am reminded.
Always a pleasure to read your flights :)
|Sep-22-08|| ||I Offer You A Resign: Although it was extremely easy to me (as well as many others, I see), I must say it would be pretty difficult for someone who hasn't really encountered these kind of problems, or really have been exposed to these kinds of tactics (sacrifices, etc...)|
|Sep-22-08|| ||zooter: <JG27Pyth:> Excellent work there...!|
|Sep-22-08|| ||sleepyirv: I like how Tringov continue after the fork. Trying to hide it from the kibtzers, huh? I think there's no way Tringov was going to get around this one.|
|Oct-12-09|| ||hedgeh0g: Hahaha! I loved the image of that poor bishop poking its head out, thinking it's safe, not really trying to get too involved, when WHAM!|
|Oct-18-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 17 Qxd7+!!|
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