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Johannes Zukertort vs NN
"Viennese Waltz" (game of the day Sep-15-2013)
Leipzig - (1877), Leipzig GER
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit (C26)  ·  1-0
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Feb-20-13
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  Eduardo Bermudez: Zukertort was until now, the chess player whitout being world champion, who has been most years number one !!
Feb-20-13  JimNorCal: <blackburne>: This is a blindfold game

Wow!

Sep-15-13  Moszkowski012273: 8.Bxf7... is a much stronger move.
Sep-15-13
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  Abdel Irada: Should such combinations be Legal?

Sep-15-13
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  Abdel Irada: The überblunder 7. ...Nh5 should be followed by an entire page full of question marks.

What, if anything, was <NN> thinking with that move?

Sep-15-13
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  morfishine: <Abdel Irada> Yes, this character <NN> is one persistent player. He has hundreds of games in the <CG> database that span decades (if not centuries), and most of them are horrific losses! Yet I gotta hand it to him: he never gives up! :)

*****

Sep-15-13
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  Abdel Irada: <Yet I gotta hand it to him: he never gives up! :)>

Then again, he has also bagged some impressive scalps in his time.

Sep-15-13
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  MarkThornton: This is a more sophisticated version of a well-known trap. The original debut of this trap can be found here: De Legal vs Saint Brie, 1750
Sep-15-13
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  thegoodanarchist: Nothing can stop 17. Bf4#.

I was playing through this at high speed, not really analyzing anything, so the queen sac caught me by surprise. Nice move!

Sep-15-13  sfm: I can't recall ever having seen any position where
- the king was not at an edge
- the king was not checked
- one single particular move with a bishop, mating in one, was unpreventable.

OK, I assume there will be some end-game positions where a king is caught up in a mating net of pawns.

Sep-15-13
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  playground player: Sometimes I get the impression that NN wasn't very good at chess.
Sep-15-13
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  Abdel Irada: <playground player: Sometimes I get the impression that NN wasn't very good at chess.>

Tell that to Alexander Alekhine (whom he beat three times), Francois André Danican Philidor (whom he defeated at least twice), Frank Marshall, Howard Staunton (twice), Carl Friedrich Von Jaenisch (twice), J.H. Blackburne, Emanuel Lasker (three times) and Gennady Sosonko, among a small but distinguished crowd of others. :-)

Sep-15-13
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  Abdel Irada: I should add that <NN> has two wins and a draw against some guy named <Garry Kasparov> and won the only game he played against another obscure player known as <Anatoly Karpov>.

I could go on. ;-)

Sep-15-13
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  playground player: <Abdel Irada> NN has only a 5% winning percentage, but I see you're counting quality over quantity.
Sep-15-13
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  Abdel Irada: <playground player: <Abdel Irada> NN has only a 5% winning percentage, but I see you're counting quality over quantity.>

Ah. Perhaps that's just what <NN> has done: saved his best efforts for the worthiest opponents.

[<Poe's Law> warning disregarded by poster.]

Sep-15-13
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  lysbec: There is no player named NN. It is an abbre. For "no name"
Sep-15-13  savagerules: NN= Nomen Nescio and he has 22 wins in the database though only a 5% win percentage. And he is a very very old dude and is responsible for being on the losing end of many Alekhine brilliancies.
Sep-15-13
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  Jim Bartle: What about Nawrose Nur?
Sep-15-13  takchess: Man, one can cover a lot of squares with 2 knight, 2 bishops and 3 pawns. A beautiful game.
Sep-15-13  zavariz: Amazing !
Sep-16-13
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  Abdel Irada: <lysbec: There is no player named NN. It is an abbre. For "no name">

Actually, as <savagerules> says, it stands for "Nomen Nescio," Latin for "I don't know the name." (The difference between this and "No name" is the difference between agnostic and atheist.)

Anyway, I'm pretty sure all parties to this conversation know perfectly well that there never was an actual <NN>: It is a pseudonym used collectively for many players through chess history, from the 15th century to our own, whose names are unknown or withheld to avoid embarrassment.

If there really *were* an <NN>, he would doubtless have been burned at the stake for witchcraft when people realized how unnaturally old he was.

Sep-16-13
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  kevin86: Zukertort closes all escape roards-mate will follow by ♗f4#
Mar-04-14  raju17: Very elegent
Oct-12-14  ljfyffe: The Last Waltz: see Chess Monthly, Nov. 1885.
Jan-31-16  Fanacas: Also NN seems to be the chess player with the longest playing years ever.
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