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Terence P D Chapman vs Garry Kasparov
"Two Pawns for the Underdog" (game of the day Sep-20-2018)
Charity Odds Match (2001) (exhibition), London ENG, rd 1, Apr-21
Chess variants (000)  ·  0-1
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Mar-01-02
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  Sneaky: Black starts the game with each of his rooks on half-open files. That's supposed to be a handicap??
Feb-18-04  Gurch: It was more of a handicap for White.
Oct-12-04  morphy234: Black has a big advantage!! open files for 2 rooks? wow.
Oct-28-04
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  offramp: ...And it is indeed those two rooks that give the mate at the end.

Morphy used to give f-pawn odds; this used to save him the inconvenience of sacrificing the pawn for an open line.

Jun-05-07
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  Brettwith2ts: That's a pretty slim advantage to give someone you outrank by 700 points!
Jun-05-07  ounos: Not at all slim. Develop, a3 and h3, exchange to an endgame*, and win :-P

* By avoiding moves like 20. g3? that drop pawns, you can ensure that you keep the 2 pawns advantage :-)

Aug-19-07  pawnofdoom: Wow. This is the first variants game in the database after 70 years. The latest one before this was back in 1931 (O Bernstein vs NN, 1931). Terence Chapman is about 2150, not bad, but of course, still 700 points below Kasparov. But you can't say he didn't stand a chance, because he actually won the third game of the match
Aug-19-07  Monkey King: Comletly disagree with evryone here, Black can virtually never castle and has to keep his king in the middle of the board leaving it exposed(although white didn't create any attack the whole game)and the two open files didn't do much in the game anyway. I am 1750 and I am fairly sure I could atleast draw most 2400's in a cerios game with the h and a pawns gone. And I am yet to draw someone over 2100 in a tournoment game, so yes that would be a fiarly big opening advantage. Fritz 5.32 1.78
Feb-01-09  WhiteRook48: ok, this game is just weird
Sep-20-18
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  Phony Benoni: It's to be expect that the game will end with a rook delivering mate on the h-file. What's strange is that it's the rook which started on a8.
Sep-20-18
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  HeMateMe: didn't Kasparov have a six game match with a guy who was rated around 2,000, had competed in the world junior championships as a teenager? he gave the guy two pawns in each game, but they were on two different files each game. I think the lower rated fellow won two games, if memory serves.
Sep-20-18
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  Phony Benoni: the database has a total of four games against Chapman at various "two-pawn" odds.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Sep-20-18  7he5haman: 18.cxd4 looks so much better positionally.
Sep-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Today's title, <"Two Pawns for the Underdog">, is a clever pun on that famous film, <Two Mules for Sister Sarah>, which starred Clint Eastwood and Ethel Merman (as Sister Sarah).

"Pawns" has been substituted for "Mules" and "the underdog" for "sister". It's pretty clever!

Sep-20-18
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  HeMateMe: I think you're off, Offy Ramp! Not an attempted Squint with Clint pun at all.

Of course the film starred Shirley MacLaine, as the nun. What would the 'Merm' be doing in the desert?

Sep-20-18  Castleinthesky: Two rook pawns are a very iffy gift. As the saying goes: "rooks love open files!".
Sep-20-18
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  HeMateMe: kasparov did lose a couple of those games. When his center pawns were missing his opponent built up a crushing central position.
Sep-20-18  Huddsblue: White was far too timid from the start.
Sep-20-18
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  playground player: Tal wasn't the only chess magician.
Sep-20-18
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  beatgiant: Maybe White's play earlier wasn't perfect, but it looks like White was still in a winning position as late as move 30 or so.
Sep-20-18  dumbgai: The worst two pawns to lose would be the f and g pawns, as black. After 1. e4 youíre already facing the threat of Qh5 mate which is not easily stopped since you canít play ...g6 and Nf6 runs into e5. In fact you might already be dead.
Sep-20-18
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  offramp: <HeMateMe: I think you're off, Offy Ramp! Not an attempted Squint with Clint pun at all.>

My mistake. The correct film was <Three Days of the Condor> starring Robert Redford and Ethel Merman (as the condor).

"Two" has been substituted for "three" and "pawns" has been substituted for "days" and "underdog" has been substituted for "condor".

It's very clever!

Sep-20-18  njchess: <My mistake. The correct film was <Three Days of the Condor> starring Robert Redford and Ethel Merman (as the condor).> Ethel Merman?!!? Try Faye Dunaway.
Sep-20-18
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  Breunor: I had to try Ö..

I put the opening position into Stockfish to see if it prefers the open rooks or the extra pawns. It likes the pawns!

1) +1.81 (24 ply) 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 Nh5 7.Nf3 Nxf4 8.exf4 c6 9.f5 exf5 10.Qxf5 g6 11.Qe5+ Qe7 12.O-O Qxe5 13.dxe5 Nd7 14.a3 Bg7 15.Rfe1

2) +1.81 (24 ply) 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 Nh5 7.Nf3 Nxf4 8.exf4 c6 9.f5 exf5 10.Qxf5 g6 11.Qe5+ Qe7 12.O-O Qxe5 13.dxe5 Nd7 14.a3 Bg7 15.Rfe1

Sep-21-18
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  offramp: <Breunor: ...I put the opening position into Stockfish to see if it prefers the open rooks or the extra pawns. It likes the pawns! 1) +1.81 ...>

But in a normal opening position SF seems to think White is +0.18 or so ahead. How do you like that?

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