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| clocked: <InspiredByMorphy> 18.Nf5 Qxg6 19.hxg6 Re8 20.Rxe7 Rxe7 21.Bd6 |
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Sep-19-04
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| InspiredByMorphy: <beatgiant> Nice continuation for black up until move 23. ...Be7 24.c4 Bg5+ keeps the piece. |
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Sep-19-04
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| InspiredByMorphy: <clocked> I now see the sacrifice was sound. Strong line. |
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| Sep-20-04 |
| beatgiant: <Nice continuation for black up until move 23. ...Be7 24.c4 Bg5+ keeps the piece.> On 23... e7 (in the hypothetical line we have been discussing above), White has 24.  xe7 xe7 25. d6 recovering the piece and remaining with a winning advantage. |
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| Jan-08-05 |
| aw1988: What was Larsen thinking, advancing his a-pawn? Sheer pointlessness. |
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| Jan-08-05 |
| maoam: <aw1998>
Larsen loves advancing his rook pawns; just look at http://www.chesscafe.com/text/dvore.... In this it does seem an extremely unwise plan, although not completely pointless. |
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| Jan-08-05 |
| aw1988: That is somewhat different, and had he not been playing Fischer... However, in this case it achieves nothing. |
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| Jan-08-05 |
| aw1988: In fact, a player other than Fischer would still find it. |
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| Apr-25-05 |
| ryanpd: Games like this are the reason why 11. ... e6?! is no longer played. The Ng6 sacrifice is a common motif in this opening and I don't think it is deserving of a !, but rather Larsen should get a ? for not anticipating it. Some analysis: [Event "Tilburg"]
[Site "Tilburg"]
[Date "1981.10.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Beliavsky"]
[Black "Larsen"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B19"]
[PlyCount "45"]
[EventDate "1981.??.??"]
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. Nf3 Nd7 8. h5 Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 Ngf6 11. Bf4 e6 (11... Qa5+ $142 12. Bd2 Qc7 13. O-O-O e6 14. Ne4 O-O-O 15. Nxf6 Nxf6 16. Qe2 Rd5 Leko-Anand (Advanced Chess 2001) 0-1) 12. O-O-O Be7 13. Ne5 a5 $6 14. Rhe1 a4 $2 ignoring the realities of the position 15. Ng6 Nd5 (15... fxg6
16. Qxg6+ Kf8 17. Rxe6 Qe8 18. Nf5 Qxg6 19. hxg6 $18) 16. Nf5 (16. Nxh8 $143
Nxf4 17. Qf3 Bg5 18. Kb1 Nf6 with counterplay) 16... Bf8 17. Bd6 (17. Nxh8 $6
Nxf4 18. Qe4 Qg5 $16) 17... Rg8 18. c4 Nb4 (18... N5b6 19. d5 Nc5 20. Qg3 $18)
(18... N5f6 19. Be7 $1 Bxe7 20. Ngxe7 $18) 19. Qh3 fxg6 (19... Qa5
is still a small chance 20. Nxf8 Nxf8 21. a3 Na6 $36 22. Bf4 Nc7 23. Qg4 $18)
20. Rxe6+ Kf7 21. hxg6+ Kxe6 22. Re1+ Ne5 23. Bxe5 (23. Bxe5 Nd3+ 24. Kb1 Nxe5
25. Rxe5+ Kd7 26. Nxg7+ Kc7 27. Ne6+) 1-0 |
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| Apr-25-05 |
| offramp: Why is 14...a4 worth a dollar more than your 19.Be7? |
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| Apr-25-05 |
| ryanpd: Sorry for the confusion, but under the PGN format I'm using with ChessBase, the symbols are expressed in terms of $x and so on. ($2) is the symbol for a ? and ($1) is the symbol for a !. So I am giving a ? to "a4?" and a ! to "Be7!" |
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| Apr-25-05 |
| offramp: Seeing this game reminded me of another great game by Belyavsky, A Afifi vs Beliavsky, 1985. |
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| Apr-25-05 |
| offramp: <ryanpd: Games like this are the reason why 11. ... e6?! is no longer played.> It is still played! N Coenen vs G Margvelashvili, 2004. |
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| Apr-26-05 |
| offramp: Caro-Kann players always have to be on the lookout for massive sudden attacks like this. Karpov had to use all his skills in this game, Van der Wiel vs Karpov, 1987 to avoid defeat, and he lost this melée, Kasparov vs Karpov, 1988, though he could have won at one point and only lost on time.
Tal was great at attacking the Caro-Kann, and in Tal vs Botvinnik, 1960 he gave his venerable opponent a very unpleasant couple of hours. He could have drawn but he also lost. And in this game, oddly not in the database, Kavalek goes a bit mad. I wonder if he missed a win anywhere? [Event "Tournament of Stars, Montreal"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1979.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Kavalek, L."]
[Black "Hubner, R."]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "1979.??.??"]
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. Nf3 Nd7 8. h5
Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 Ngf6 11. Bd2 e6 12. O-O-O c5 13. Rhe1 Be7 14. d5 Nxd5
15. Rxe6 fxe6 16. Qg6+ Kf8 17. Qxe6 Nc7 18. Qf5+ Nf6 19. Ne5 Qc8 20. Ng6+ Kf7
21. Nxh8+ Qxh8 22. Re1 Re8 23. Qd3 b5 24. Nf5 Qh7 25. g4 a6 26. c4 Bf8 27. Rxe8
Kxe8 28. Qf3 Qg8 29. Qc6+ Kd8 30. Ba5 Qxc4+ 31. Kb1 Qe4+ 32. Qxe4 Nxe4 0-1 |
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| May-03-05 |
| ryanpd: <offramp> Perhaps I should say at the highest levels then. 11. ... Qa5+ is much stronger- there is no point in leaving the bishop on the strong f4 square. Larsen's play in this game was very passive, even for a Caro-Kann. |
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| Jul-11-05 |
| aw1988: <Why is 14...a4 worth a dollar more than your 19.Be7?> That has to be one of the funniest things ever. |
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| Nov-05-05 |
| offramp: One wild and wacky position, after 18.c4
click for larger view |
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Feb-06-06
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| LIFE Master AJ: (http://www.geocities.com/lifemaster...) ... this game annotated ... |
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| Feb-06-06 |
| morpstau: 15.Ng6 doesent look sound to me. Perhaps black could have accepted the sacrifice with 15. ...fxg6 16.Qxg6+ Kf8 17.Rxe6 Qe8 18.Nf5 Re8 19.Rde1 Bb4 or if 18.Bd6 Nd5 19.c4 Qxg6 19.hxg6 Bxd6 20.cxd5 Bf4+ and black remains a piece up. |
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Feb-06-06
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| LIFE Master AJ: 15.Ng6!!! is completely sound ... and the first choice of Fritz 9 ... but only after about 30 minutes of machine time. |
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| Feb-06-06 |
| morpstau: I see than computers are the better of humans concerning annotation that is. |
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Feb-07-06
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| LIFE Master AJ: <morpstau>
This game is also analyzed in countless books, NIC yearbook, The Informant, etc. Did you look at my page? (The link is given just above?) |
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May-31-08
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| ToTheDeath: A masterpiece by Beliavsky. |
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Aug-13-08
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| Ulhumbrus: On 17 Bd6 Black still can't play 17...fxg6 as White can still play 18 Nxg7+! (as in the Kavalek comment quoted by morphynoman2) followed by Qg6+ and a rapid mate 23 Bxe5 threatens 24 Nxg7+ Ke7 25 Qe6 mate and Black has no satisfactory answer to the threat. |
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May-20-09
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| LIFE Master AJ: http://www.ajschess.com/lifemastera... ALL GeoCities sites will be closing later this year. (Thus the move.) |
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