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|Aug-19-07|| ||smarterthanbobby: all small thoughts aside, the only logical conclusion left is, it was a blunder that let kasparov draw... and a very well played game for white,
and black was lucky to not loose....end of story...|
|Feb-09-08|| ||notyetagm: <Boomie:... 25...Nf5 is a losing move. As pointed out by <kartzen> below, 29. Bc7! appears to be the only winning move.>|
(VAR) Position after 29 ♗e5-c7!
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Did Carlsen miss winning moves at any other point in this game? Or was 29 ♗e5-c7! his only real chance to convert his advantage?
|Feb-09-08|| ||notyetagm: Does anyone have a <RYBKA EVAL> for 29 ♗e5-c7! ? |
Here is what Fritz 11 says about this move:
2: Magnus Carlsen - Garry Kasparov, Reykjavik Rapid 2004
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Analysis by Fritz 11:
1. (1.59): 29.Be5-c7 Qe6-b3 30.Qc5-b5 Qb3-c2 31.Rd1-c1 Qc2-d2 32.Nc6xa5 Bc8-e6 33.Na5-c6 Ra8-c8 34.Bc7-g3 Nf5xg3 35.f2xg3 Be6-d5 36.Nc6-e7+ Re8xe7 37.Rc1xc8+ Kg8-h7 38.Rc8-c2
|Mar-05-08|| ||chaq: Rybka 2.3.2a MP (1.20): 29. Bc7 Qb3 30. Qb5 Qc2 31. Rc1 Qd2 32. Nxa5 Be6 33. b4 Qa2 34. Rce1 Qc2 35. Be5 f6 (21 ply)|
|Oct-20-10|| ||chesschampion11: this is the slav defence!! not the queens gambit declined!|
|Oct-20-10|| ||Marmot PFL: It is called transposition <different moves or a different move order leading to the same position, especially during the openings>.|
|Oct-20-10|| ||Everett: <chesschampion11> Actually, the Slav Defence is one of the many variations in the Queen's Gambit Declined family.|
In fact, the Cambridge Springs variation is an even more specific and accurate name of this variation.
Finally, this is more semi-slav than slav pawn structure, with the early ..e6 by black, shutting in the LSB.
|Nov-21-10|| ||noobtube: Why did Kasparov not grab the bishop on move 18?|
|Nov-21-10|| ||Sastre: <18...gxf6 19.Qg6+ Kh8 20.Qxh6+ Kg8 21.Qg6+ Kh8 22.Qxf6+ Kg8 23.Re4> wins for White.|
|Dec-31-10|| ||Penguincw: Carlsen isn't even a GM yet at the time but he managed to draw against Kasparov. That's excellent.|
|Jul-24-11|| ||myusernameis: <managed to draw> ??? Kasparov was on receiving end all the way through; just check this video:|
I just love the video: first, cocky Kasparov entering to play a kid; next, shocked Kasparov sweating, whilst bored Magnus wanders away; and Karpov looking pensive; the same Karpov who got hiding from Magnus game before:
this video is even more hilarious; Magnus reminds me young Bobby very much so!
|Aug-22-11|| ||awfulhangover: <<mistergore:>|
Behold king kasparov outplayed by a 14year old boy with 2484 in rating>
In Mars 2004 Magnus was 13 y, 3 months. He was born Nov 30, 1990. I remember I watched the game on ICC, and kibitzers were shocked!
|Sep-10-11|| ||AVRO38: <Finally, this is more semi-slav than slav pawn structure, with the early ..e6 by black, shutting in the LSB.>|
The Cambridge Springs is technically a variation of the Semi-Slav but you almost never see it listed as such.
|Sep-11-11|| ||perfidious: <AVRO38: The Cambridge Springs is technically a variation of the Semi-Slav but you almost never see it listed as such.>|
Not really, because 5....Nbd7 leads the game away from the Semi-Slav and back towards lines of the Classical, or Orthodox, variations of the QGD.
|Sep-12-11|| ||AVRO38: <Not really, because 5....Nbd7 leads the game away from the Semi-Slav and back towards lines of the Classical, or Orthodox, variations of the QGD.>|
I disagree. 5...Nbd7 is one of the most common moves in the Semi-Slav, but it usually follows 5.e3 rather than 5.Bg5. However even after 5.Bg5 it is still the second most popular move:
I do not consider this a transposition to the Orthodox or Classical because those lines usually involve the move Be7, a move which is uncommon in the Semi-Slav and Cambridge Springs.
|Sep-13-11|| ||perfidious: <AVRO38: <Not really, because 5....Nbd7 leads the game away from the Semi-Slav and back towards lines of the Classical, or Orthodox, variations of the QGD.>|
<I disagree. 5...Nbd7 is one of the most common moves in the Semi-Slav, but it usually follows 5.e3 rather than 5.Bg5. However even after 5.Bg5 it is still the second most popular move...>
So you're telling me you disagree, then in essence contradicting yourself.
As to 5.e3 being the most popular move, it's the one I nearly always played, so one might say I'm familiar.
<I do not consider this a transposition to the Orthodox or Classical because those lines usually involve the move Be7, a move which is uncommon in the Semi-Slav and Cambridge Springs.>
The Cambridge Springs is reached after 5....Nbd7 6.e3 Qa5, the latter move giving it a character distinct from the classical lines.
As to the rest of this, 6.e3 Be7 leads to a postion often seen in the 20th century, with White trying moves such as 7.Qc2, 7.Bd3 and 7.Rc1.
In the latter line, play through the games of the 1927 Alekhine-Capablanca match for endless examples of the Classical QGD sometime.
|Feb-21-12|| ||Whitehat1963: The game depicted on 60 Minutes the other night.|
|Feb-21-12|| ||Penguincw: I'm not sure if this was mentioned before, but here is footage of the game:|
|Aug-30-12|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: You know why Kasparov acted the way he did in the video, showing up late and being so cold? At bottom, it is because he had studied Carlsen's games.|
<acirce: Nothing is for sure but I think it's a very realistic thought that he may become WC and even the world's best player, I see nothing that points at his development being halted. My first prediction is that he will reach 2700 and when he does he will be the youngest player who has done that.>
And so did <acirce>, back in 2004. What an astute prediction.
|Aug-30-12|| ||MarkFinan: I think Kasparov showed up late because of his giant ego, and his cocky confidence, trying to swat Carlsen's up and coming reputation arrogantly to one side, with his "I'm the Greatest of all time" swagger....
Which the guy has earned, right?
He's the G.O.A.T, and I love people with arrogance and attitude who can actually back It up..
Slightly disrespectful though I must admit looking back now, and I do wish Carlsen would have beat him In that game, In a symbolic 'passing of the torch', from one great of his generation, to another great of the up and coming generation...
Players like these two don't come along too often!!
In fact, they're the only chess players I actually like, but for totally different reasons..
That's my take on that little YT clip of this game anyway..
|May-04-13|| ||Everett: In contrast, Karpov's response to losing...
|Nov-06-13|| ||kingscrusher: I have done some detailed analysis on possible opportunities missed here by Magnus here:|
|Dec-08-13|| ||Peligroso Patzer: The opening that was played in this game (one of only two in the database between these two players, very possibly the two strongest in the history of chess) is interesting. The Cambridge Springs has not been the height of fashion in recent years, but here are two games of great historical interest that involved the Cambridge Springs:|
Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927 (Game #11)
Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 (Game #47)
After ten games in the 1927 World Chess Championship match, Capablanca had a one game lead (+2 -1 =7). Alekhine’s win in game #11 with Black using the Cambridge Springs was very possibly the turning point in the match.
In the 1984 World Chess Championship match (the terms of which were that six  won games were required to win the match), Karpov took a huge (4-0) early lead against his immensely talented, but much less experienced (and possibly nervous) opponent by winning games 3, 6, 7 and 9. After a run of 17 consecutive draws in games ##10-26, Karpov again took the full point in game #27 to claim a seemingly insurmountable 5-0 lead. Kasparov finally broke through in game #32 (winning on the White side of a Queen’s Indian Defense). After another 14 straight draws, Kasparov won game #47 (above-linked) as Black using the Cambridge Springs. Kasparov proceeded to win the next game as well (playing White in a Petrov or Russian Defense).
After these two consecutive wins by the young challenger, the match was abruptly terminated by FIDE President Florencio Campomanes (very possibly at the urging of Karpov’s camp; although he still held a 5-3 lead, Karpov appeared exhausted, and momentum was clearly with Kasparov). A 24-game “re-do” World Championship match (with draws counting ½-point for each player and a total of 12.5 points needed to win the match) that began seven months later (in September 1985) was won by Kasparov 13-11 (+5 -3 =16). Thus, the game #47 win by Black in a Cambridge Springs in the first, aborted match, was again very possibly the turning point in determining the outcome of a World Championship match, as it had been in 1927.
|Oct-17-15|| ||EGarrett: This game can now be called "The Once and Future King."|
|Aug-29-16|| ||Zhbugnoimt: People back then were predicting that Magnus would become WC. They were right.|
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