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| Dec-09-03 | | ughaibu: OneBadDog: Bird's defence is also fun and avoids the exchange. |
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| Mar-28-04 | | skeet: I have decided to make this my "main" opening and develop the rest of my repertoire around it. Does anyone have any suggestions for other openings that fit in with the Ruy Lopez Exchange (those aiming for a more solid pawn structure and a better endgame)? My favorite exchange game, incidentally, is Fischer vs Unzicker, 1970. |
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| Mar-28-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: I suggest the c3 sicilian: You can usually play it so as to get a queenside majority and thus an endgame advantage. It is also easy to learn and untheoretical, and starts on move two. Versus French I would suggest Tarrasch and against Caro-Kann maybe the mainlines. |
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| Mar-28-04 | | skeet: Thanks! |
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| Apr-21-04 | | Vischer: I'm surprised there are no games in the database where black fell for the petrov-like trap, I mean and IM fell for it in the Petrov. 1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗b4 a6 4.♗xc6 dxc6 5.0-0 ♘f6 6.♘xe5 ♘xe4 7.♖e1 ♘f6 8. ♘c6+ |
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| Apr-21-04 | | Clock1913: One line in the exchange if a very well known one for higher strength players. It gives a good game and a nice postition and offers a nice trap. It is 1.Pe4 Pe5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Pa6 4. Bxc6 Pd7xc6 5. O-O Bg4 6. Ph3 Ph5! |
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| Jun-13-04 | | get Reti: Lasker did beat a bunch of people with the exchange, but they gave up their pair of bishops early. In one of Steinitz's games, he gave it up in 6 moves. Heres are the # of moves which the oppenent gave up the pair in other games: Tarrasch: 8 Chigorin: 9 Janowski:11 Capablanca: 13 Marshall: 12. However, I am, still for the Ruy Lopez exchange because it ruins blacks pawn structure. I like to play it doubly deferred (C85). Fischer only lost 1 game with the exchange. Kasparov never lost but he is the best player so thats not so surprising.
Hort lost 2 games. I think if you're experienced with this opening, you can do very well with it. |
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| Jun-13-04 | | Catfriend: I play it for years (which in my case means a large part of my life...) and believe me - it can be great. I found several very pretty lines that surprised many experienced players. When you face an old, wicked, positional and home-prepared master, and it's 30 min time control, nothing better than a good sideline in a "garbage variation", which you've analysed to extent, with carnivorous tactical traps! |
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| Aug-04-04 | | cuendillar: I've had a lot of trouble against the 5.h3 Bd3 6.d4 variation, any ideas of how to counter it? I've tried but can't find a defutation. If there isn't one, then why are there so few games with it in the database? |
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| Aug-04-04 | | Zenchess: I don't understand what line you are talking about... |
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| Aug-04-04 | | Zenchess: cuendillar, ...Bd3?? is illegal. |
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| Aug-04-04 | | cuendillar: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.h3 Bd6 6.d4
I just didn't print the characteristic moves of the Ruy Lopez exchange.
Thanks for pointing out the typo at move 5 |
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| Aug-04-04 | | Zenchess: Here is a sample game with Black winning:
J Nyback vs Heino Mirme, 2001. Black trades down to a N vs. B ending that should have been a draw. However, White tries too hard to win with 29. f4? and loses. f4? left the Pe4 unprotected and he was unable to guard it when the N attacked it. If you have a game where your opponent eats you alive as White, you can post it here and we can critique it. |
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| Aug-06-04 | | tomh72000: Can someone please tell me more about the 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Qd6 variation? I am only used to 5...f6, but it seems like ...Qd6 has become the most popular way. |
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| Aug-06-04 | | Zenchess: First of all, since you like attacking chess, you might consider 5...Bd6, 5...Bg4, or 5...Qf6 to keep the Queens on board. 5...Qd6 is directed against White keeping the Q's on the board by deploying the Q to an active square. Black must watch out for a possible Na3-c4 or Rd1 and d4. To counter this, Black usually goes ...Be6 and then later ...Bg4 and ...Qe6. After ...Bg4, Black can double White's K-side pawns with ...Bxf3 and subsequently attacking them with ...Ne7-g6-h4 or bringing a B or N to f4. Here is a model game from Black's point of view: Kotronias vs Romanishin, 1994. Romanishin takes out a dangerous attacker here. He was a specialist with ...Qd6; here are more of his games with this line: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... Note that 5...Qd6 does not necessarily avoid the exchange of Q's; White can still play a quick d4 and reach positions similar to ...f6 lines. |
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| Aug-07-04 | | tomh72000: OK, thanks for the response. |
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| Aug-07-04 | | Zenchess: No prob; if you have an interesting game, feel free to post it here. |
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| Aug-17-04 | | cuendillar: <Zenchess> You asked me to post a game with that opening. Here it is. HJ (1140) - cuendillar (1130) Club championship 2003
{1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.h3 Bd6 6.d4 Qe7 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Re1 0-0 9.c4 Rd8 10.d5 cxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.a3 cxd5 13.exd5 Bf5 14.Nc3 h6 15.Bf4 e4 16.Bxd6 Qxd6 17.Nd2 Nxd5 18.Ndxe4 Nxc3 19.Nxd6 Nxd1 20.Raxd1 Bg6 |
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| Aug-17-04 | | cuendillar: <post continues>
21.Nxb7 Rxd1 22.Rxde1 Rb8 23.Nc5 Rxb2 24.Nxa6 Ra2 25.Nb4 Rxa3 26.Nd5 Ra7 27.Rd2 Kf8 28.Nf4 Bf5 29.Ne3 (illegal) Be6 30.Kh2 Ra2 31.Rxa2 Bxa2 32.Kg3 Ke7 33.Kf4 g5+ 34.Kg4 Kf6 35.Kh5 Kg7 36.Ng4 Bb1! 37.Nxh6 Bg6+ 38.Kxg5 f6+ 39.Kf4 Kxh6 40.g3 ½-½ I would be grateful if (any of) you could comment on it. |
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Aug-18-04
 | | tpstar: <cuendillar> Nice game! Very even throughout, and solid tactics. After 5. h3 I used to favor 5 ... Qd6 but didn't like getting kicked by Na3-Nc4, which seems to force ... f6 at some point anyway. So now I think 5 ... f6 is the best waiting move, then if 6. d3 Bc5 and the Bishop is more active versus d6. Or 6. d4 ed and the tempo loss with 5 ... f6 doesn't really matter. But I need much more experience facing the Exchange. Good luck! |
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| Aug-27-04 | | cuendillar: <tpstar> Thank's for the feedback. I did look at 5...f6 during the game, but hesitated fearing a Damiano-type attack after 6.Nxe5. With that move I would probably managed to avoid the central trouble I had during that game and prevent the threatened pawn fork at e5. (fell for it first time I faced it) |
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Aug-27-04
| | tpstar: <cuendillar> An interesting sidelight here. I recently faced 5. h3 f6 6. Nxe5!? and avoided 6 ... fxe5 due to 7. Qh5+ g6? 8. Qxe5+ & 9. Qxh8, but missed 7 ... Ke7 8. Qxe5+ Be6 9. f4 Qd6 breaking the pin and thus saving the Rh8 and the Be6. It turns out that after 5. h3 Bd6 is best = Alberto Mendes vs Jorge Costa, 2001. I tried 6 ... Qd4 7. Nf3 Qxe4+ 8. Kf1!? and lost badly. So if 5. 0-0 f6 6. Nxe5!? (not in db) fxe5 7. Qh5+ Ke7 8. Qxe5+ Be6 9. f4 Qd6, or 8. Qg5+ Nf6 9. Qxe5+ Be6 10. f4 Kf7, or 8. d3 Qd6 9. Bg5+ Nf6 10. Na3 Be6 and Black should be OK. Has anybody seen this line? |
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| Nov-13-04 | | drukenknight: Spanish Exchange (N sack on f7). You know w/ my new "back to the basics" approach to chess, I decided to start looking into the exchange spanish, but it seems pretty freakin stupid. I always want to grab that pawn on e5 but it never seems to work out, but wait a minute! WHy can't white simply sack the N on f7 and gain 2 pawns and go on the attack? What could be more basic than that.....? "No, stupid moron, you cant do that, no one does that, look here stupid... 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 dxc6
5. Nxe5 Qd4
6. Nxf7 Kxf7
7. Qf3+ Qf6
8. Qb3+ Qe6
9. Qf3+ Nf6
10. d3 Bd6
11. Bf4 Bxf4
12. Qxf4 Qe7
13. 00
Errh well maybe it's bad, but hey what about this...? 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 dxc6
5. Nxe5 Qd4
6. Nxf7 Kxf7
7. d3 Nf6
8. c3 Qe5
9. O-O Bd6
10. f4 Qb5
11. e5
chesslab computer takes black and starts rating it at -2.5 (me so stupid) and then comes almost back to equality, that's odd... Then I tried another version with an insane K march courtesy of the metal monster, don’t ask me I'm even more confused then ever after.... 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 dxc6
5. Nxe5 Qd4
6. Nxf7 Kxf7
7. Qf3+ Qf6
8. Qg3 Bd6
9. Qb3+ Kg6
10. h4 Kh5
Maybe evaluation of this depends on how good your computer assistant is. |
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| Jan-01-05 | | ongyj: Hi guys. This is what I see and I hope to receive comments and criticisms thanks :) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.Nxe5 isn't the most common reply 5...Qe7 if 6.Nf3 Qxe4+ 7.Qe2 Qxe2+ 8.Kxe2 and of course I'll say Black looks better for White's King is overexposed. Say 6.d4 or 6.f4, then 6...f6 7.Qh5+ g6 8.Nxg6 either 8...Qf7 or 8...Qxe4+ and Black gains big material advantage. |
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| Feb-15-05 | | ongyj: Again, reading discuessions earns knowledge! I too love the exchange variation of the Ruy Lopez whenever possible. When facing Berlin Wall variation(oh no, Kramnik's pet defence! :) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 I will almost always play 4.d3 avoiding exchanges and complications that may result. In the Exchange variaiton I always play 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.d4 encouraging Queen trade leading to White pawn sturcture superiority. I suppose 5.h3!? is as good. At the cost of a move which could have been used to develop pieces, White took a positional approach to deprive Black of counterplay with ...Bg4. I just wish to know the replies Black can make on move 5 other than 5...f6. I mean 5...f6 is playable, but not my type of move. From what I see, 5...f6 cost a move to protect the pawn, deprived Black of a natural Knight on f6(important in many cases should it castle Kingside) and most unfortunately, it poses White no problems. I suppose I want/need moves that appears more straight forward. At this point of time, I'm just wondering what's there to watch out for with 5...Bd6 and if 5...Nf6 is known to be playable. Thanks:)
By the way, I find the line 5.0-0 Bg4 6.h3 h5 too difficult for White:) |
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