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| Oct-06-04 | | morphy234: I LOVE the Muzio Gambit!! it's sooo good!! |
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| Jan-08-05 | | drukenknight: A disaster in the Rosentretter. This seems to be the correct ECO code for this version of KGA, since the original Bowdler game is classed here but I cant find out previous discussion about the Rosentretter, anyhow: 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. d4 Qe7
5. Bd3 (up to here it follows that Bowdler game from 1794) 5...g4 (the novetly)
6. Ne5 Qh4+
7. Kf1 d6
8. g3? (apparently Nc4 is better)
8...fxg3
9. Qe1 Qh3+
10. Ke2 g2
11. Rg1 dxe5
12. Qg3 Qxg3
13. hxg3 exd4 and 0-1 eventually |
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| Jan-13-05 | | drukenknight: Another Kings gambit miniature w/ early Bc4 (similar to Rosentretter). I keeping getting the black side of this on ICC and this one is very interesting, you really have to see the computer scoring on the crap computer through the line. Okay first here are the moves w/o annotation: 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. Bc4 Qe7
5. d3 Nf6
6. Nxg5 d5
7. Bb3 Bg4
8. Nf3 dxe4
9. dxe4 Nxe4
10. O-O Qc5+
11. Qd4 Bxf3
12. Qxc5 Bxc5+
13. Kh1 ...and 0-1
Okay think about that for a minute or two...
Recalling the moves, I know at one part I thought I had played the ultimate move with the queen check but someonehow it got blocked, I kept trying to recreate this game w/ white's QB having taken the pawn on f4. I put the moves into the crap pc and first it suggests 10...Nd7 w/ score of +0.17 (slight favoring of white) THen after white's 11th move, it says the score is -3.14! A huge leap in black's favor. I go back to move 10 and now it suggests ...Qc5+ w/ score of -2.6! Oh sure chesslab computer after I've done the hard part!! What's up with that anyhow? This is on the free program at chesslab.com so anyone can plug these moves in and see for themselves. |
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| Jan-14-05 | | drukenknight: Another mess up in the KGA. Again these people on ICC are playing the quiet Bc4 it must be some sort of trend; he was pretty strong so these moves may be interesting to look at; he made a huge error and I glitched... 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. Bc4 Qe7
5. Qe2 g4
6. Nd4 Nc6
7. Nf5 Qc5
8. d4 Nxd4
9. Nxd4 Qxd4
10. Bxf4 Bd6
11. c3 Qc5
12. b4 Qh5
13. Bxd6 cxd6
14. O-O Nh6
15. Nd2 O-O
16. h3 a5
17. Bd5 Ra6
it's almost level now but black overlooked the Qxb2 |
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| Jan-20-05 | | drukenknight: It must be Rosentretter week on ICC. Everyone and their mother seems to be playing this on me on icc; and now some decent player are actually trying to sack the B and treat like a Muzio or something, so far I am holding my own such as this one: 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. Bc4 Qe7
5. O-O Qc5+
6. d4 Qxc4
7. Nxg5 Be7
8. Bxf4 Bxg5
9. Bxg5 Nc6
10. d5 Ne5
11. b3 Qc5+
12. Kh1 h5
try sticking the moves on a computer program, the crap pc seems to gagging on it. |
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| Jan-20-05 | | drukenknight: But now look at this line, which is the same B sack line with a different white 7th move, and somehow I mess this up as black and get a problem on the long black diagonal; 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. Bc4 Qe7
5. O-O Qc5+
6. d4 Qxc4
7. Nbd2 Qa6
8. Nxg5 Be7
9. Ndf3 Qf6
10. e5 Qf5
11. Nh3 |
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| Jan-20-05 | | Skylark: Okay... The Double Muzio is probably the best way to go about the Muzio: Shirov, A - Lapinski, J Daugavpils, 1990
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5! Qxe5 8. Bxf7+! Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ (a better try is 9. ... Qf5, but still strong for white) 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Ke8 12. Nc3 Nc6 13. Nd5 Qg6 14. Rae1+ Be7 15. Bd6 Kd8 16. Qf8+ Bxf8 17. Bxc7# 1-0 The problem with 4. Bc4 is that it is commonly replied to with 4. ... Bg7! (eg 5. h4 h6 6. d4 d6 7. c3 Nc6 8. O-O Bg4 9. Qb3 Na5 10. Bxf7+ Kf8 11. Qa3 Kxf7 12. Qxa5 Bxf3 13. Rxf3 c5 =) which allows black to equalise; this is the chief reason why 4. h4! is the main line nowadays. <rochade18> The Allgaier is a somewhat skeptical f7 gambit (which I play btw :D) that goes 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. h4 g4 5. Ng5!? h6 6. Nxf7 Kxf7. It hasn't been refuted yet, and black has to play very precisely to escape the threats; sometimes (often) he doesn't! Better for black is the safe 5. ... Nf6. I'd give lines but Tim Harding has already done so: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibit...
Yeah... I'm going to disappear again now, I promise. :( |
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| Jan-22-05 | | drukenknight: Here is another quick one out of that Rosentretter whatever. The guy must have been ready for it, since he used about 30 sec. for his first 10 moves. I tried a different move for blacks 9th and well...you'll see. 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. Bc4 Qe7
5. O-O Qc5+
6. d4 Qxc4
7. Nxg5 Be7
8. Bxf4 Bxg5
9. Bxg5 Qb5?!
10. Nc3? QxB and eventually 0-1 |
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| Jan-27-05 | | drukenknight: Bust your computers nuts in the Rosentretter. THis is that same stupid line where the white player doesnt know how to play and he sacks his B on c4 after 00. So I play my new move and the human player comes up with a better move than the crap pc did. Check out this line: 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. Bc4 Qe7
5. O-O Qc5+
6. d4 Qxc4
7. Nxg5 Be7
8. Bxf4 Bxg5
9. Bxg5 Qb5
10. Qf3 Qc4
11. Rf2 d6
12. d5 f5
13. exf5 Qd4
14. c3 Qg7
15. Qh5+ Kf8
16. Nd2 Nd7
what do your computers give for white's 10th and for black's 12th? is this line really holdable? |
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| Oct-07-05 | | suenteus po 147: Okay, I've started playing the King's Gambit online in the past week. So far I have had good results against varying opponents, but I thought this game I played yesterday was an especially nice one. If anyone has time to spare on analysis, where my opponent or I could have improved, and what I did well (if anything), I would greatly appreciate it. Event: Yahoo! Chess Game
White: suenteus_po_147 (as profile147)
Black: akg52291
Date: Thu Oct 06 16:04:34 GMT 2005
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 d6 5.O-O Qf6 6.d4 c6 7.Nc3 b5 8.Bb3 Bg4 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Rxf3 h5 11.h4 Nd7 12.hxg5 Qxg5 13.Bxf4 Qg6 14.Bh2 h4 15.Bxf7+ Qxf7 16.Rxf7 Kxf7 17.Qf3+ Ke8 18.Rf1 Ngf6 19.e5 dxe5 20.dxe5 Nd5
21.Nxd5 cxd5 22.Qf7+ Kd8 23.Qxd5 Bc5+ 24.Kh1 Kc7 25.e6+ Kb6 26.exd7 Rad8 27.Rf6+ Ka5 28.Bc7+ Ka4 29.Ra6+ Kb4 30.c3# I have a loss, too, that I'll post later when I have more time. |
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| Oct-07-05 | | azaris: <suenteus po 147> If all Black players opted for awful rubbish like 5...Qf6?, the King's Gambit would be rehabilitated in no time. |
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| Jan-06-06 | | DeepBlade: <suenteus po 147>
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 d6 5. O-O Qf6 6. d4 c6 7. Nc3 b5 8. Bb3 Bg4 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Rxf3 h5 11. h4 Nd7 12. hxg5 Qxg5 13. Bxf4 Qg6 14. Bh2? (Too passive) h4?? 15. Bxf7+! Qxf7 16. Rxf7 Kxf7 17. Qf3+ Ke8 18. Rf1 Ngf6 19. e5 dxe5(Consider 20.Bxe5+) 20. dxe5 Nd5 21. Nxd5! cxd5 (22.e6!) 22. Qf7+ Kd8 23. Qxd5 Bc5+ 24. Kh1 Kc7 25. e6+ Kb6 26. exd7 Rad8 27. Rf6+ Ka5 28. Bc7+ (28. Qxc5 Rxd7 29. Qa3#) 28... Ka4 29. Ra6+ (29. Qb3#) 29...Kb4 30. c3# 1-0
Regular internet match to me, nothing special. Some missed mate's, but I have to admit, nice spotted; the 15.Bxf7 move. Your opponent was very under-developed, making reckless Queen moves in the opening for example. In the middlegame you exploited this advantage really good, you developed while attacking the Queen! After such advantage, checkmate is only a few moves ahead. |
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| Jan-06-06 | | DeepBlade: The Double Muzio is really fun to play!
I have some games (appox 5) in the Double Muzio theme. I will post them when I find them. |
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| Jan-07-06 | | DeepBlade: <drunkenknight> My pc gives 10.Qh5, this move equalizes the game.
As Black's 12th move it gives f5, just like in the line given by you. <<drunkenknight>Is this line really holdable?> Well White has great advantage. Look at the variation on the 14th move; 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 Qe7 5. O-O Qc5+ 6. d4 Qxc4 7. Nxg5 Be7 8. Bxf4 Bxg5 9. Bxg5 Qb5 10. Qf3 Qc4 11. Rf2 d6 12. d5 f5 13. exf5 Qd4 14. c3 <(14. f6 Nxf6 15. Bxf6 Bg4 16. Qg3 Qd1+ 17. Rf1 Qxf1+ 18. Kxf1 Rg8 19. Qe3+ Kf7 20. Qf4 Rg6 21. Bg5+)> 14... Qg7 15. Qh5+ Kf8 16. Nd2 Nd7 <17. Ne4> <The key battle square is f6, you might want to double up your Rooks> A little sidenote, THIS is the Rosentreter variation of the KGA, Muzio 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. d4 Nc6 |
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Jan-15-06
 | | sisyphus: sisyphus: <pawntificator> is mixed up. The line <tacticsjokerxxx> played -- 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 Nc6 -- is the Blachly Gambit. It's hard for White to get any advantage, and I believe it's superior to 4.... g4. After 4.... Nc6 5. O-O g4 6. d4? gxf3 the best White can do is 7. Qxf3, after which 7.... Nxd4 keeps him busy. After 7. Rxf3 Bg7 8. Bxf4 Bxd4+ 9. Kh1 going after the rook is suicidal. 9.... d6 preserves the advantage. |
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| May-24-06 | | DeepBlade: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Nc6 7. d4 Nxd4 8. Qxf4
f6 9. Nc3 Nxc2 10. Nd5 Bc5 11. Kh1 Bd6 12. Qg4 Nxa1 13. Qh5 Kf8 14. Nxc7 Qe7 15.
Nd5 Qxe4 16. Bh6 Nxh6 17. Rxf6 Kg7 18. Qxh6 Kg8 19. Ne7# Oooh when you feein' it, dont stop (with attacking) |
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| Sep-18-06 | | think: Question: Who is Muzio (I assume the muzio gambit is named after a person). He has no games in the database. |
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| Sep-18-06 | | soughzin: For someone playing e5 rated around...1700 lets say, do you think it would be overambitious to play 2...fxg and 3...g5 to the King's Gambit? It seems like the modern, or falkbeer with 3.c6 or 3.e4 is the more "efficient" choice. |
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| Sep-26-06 | | moppa: I found an interesting gambit line for black from gameknot.com database and gave it a shot and won a 2000+ GK-ELo player in 17 moves. So, here's the game: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. ♘f3 g5 4. ♗c4 g4 5. ♘e5 ♕h4+
This is slightly unusual line, I thought he would play the Muzio.
6. ♔f1 ♘c6!?
White now has a chance to win a rook. However, a knight in h8 can be picked quite easily afterwards and exchange is hardly enough for four tempi! 
click for larger view. ♘xf7 7...♗c5 8. ♕e1 <to prevent mate> 8...g3 9. ♘xh8 ♗f2 10. ♕d1 ♘f6 <The knight is on it's way to g4 and h2+> 11. ♘c3 ♘g4 12. ♘d5? <white simply hasn't got time for this.> 12...♘xh2+ 13. ♔e2 d6! 
click for larger view |
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| Sep-26-06 | | moppa: Black is threatening ♗g4(+) and there is very little that can be done.
14. ♔d3} <propably best defence, since [14.♘xc7+ ♔d8 15.♘xa8 allows 15...♗g4+> 14...♗g4 15. ♕f1 <only square as ♘h2 is pinned, but final combination is coming...> 
click for larger view...♘b4+! <decoying knight away from protecting f6> 16. ♘xb4 <16.♔c3 ♘xd5+> 16...♕f6 <threatens mate at d4 so white loses at least his queen, leaving black with winnig material advantage, as h8-knight is ready to be picked off> 17. ♘d5 <I bet this was just an elegant way for resigning.> 17...♕d4# 0-1 It's very hard to see where white gone wrong. I ran this game through with fritz, and it now, after a hour, says that black has equalized after 7.Nxf7, so black is propably better, and certainly has easier position to play. Any comments?
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| Jan-23-07 | | OJC: Another example of the danger of accepting the rook sacrifice in the following KGA line: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. d4 g4 5. Ne5 Qh4+ 6. g3 fxg3 7. Qxg4 
click for larger view7. ...g2+?! (<...Qxg4! and black is in good shape; with text white will be down a rook but has such a strong attack black struggles to draw>) 8. Qxh4 gxh1=Q 9. Nc3 Bb4 (<I've never seen this move before and was now out of "book"; I was expecting either 9. ...Nc6 or ...Be7>) 
click for larger view10. Kf2 (<I think this is best>) 10. ...Bxc3 11. bxc3 d5 12. exd5 Nd7 13. Qh5
click for larger view13. ...Ngf6??
(<this assumes that 14.Qxf7+ cannot be played due to threats of 15. ...Qxh2+ and/or 15. ...Rf8 but black doesn't have time to bother white's queen and also cannot find a saving perpetual line; 13. ...Qxd5! was necessary and black is doing fine>) 14. Qxf7+!
(<Now white has the win by force>) 14. ...Kd8 15. Bg5 Qxh2+ 16. Bg2 Rf8 17. Bxf6+ Nxf6 18. Qxf8+ Ne8 19. Rh1 1-0 
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| Jul-25-07 | | WarmasterKron: Here's a win from today that I'm quite pleased with: [Event "Team match"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=778..."]
[Date "2007.07.25"]
[Round "-"]
[White "dkirby"]
[Black "grayn8"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1377"]
[BlackElo "1323"]
1. f4 e5 2. e4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4
5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qh4 7. g3 Qf6 8. e5 Qxe5
9. Bxf7+ Kxf7 10. d4 Qxd4+ 11. Be3 Qc4 12. Bxf4 Ke8
13. Bg5 Be7 14. Qh5+ Kd8 15. Rf8# 1-0
Good old double Muzio!
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| Sep-08-07 | | Morphyisgod: Hello, im interested in the muzio gambit, can someone recomend a good book for this opening? or maybe a list of notable games with this opening? |
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| Dec-05-07 | | Bambi the Vampire: Dear kings gambit fans - What do you players think of the Rice Gambit? Can anybody refer me to a refutation, if any of this unusual Gambit? Morphyisgod and me both ask can somebody recommend a good book for the Muzio as well as the Double Muzio Gambit? Can anybody recommend fine kings gambit books in the first place? Does such a book even exist in any language? Can anybody offer me kings gambit books that I dont have? We can trade books etc. Would like to obtain any books, magazines, cds etc in any language that I do not have. Would like to build a reasonable library on this fun opening. Can any of you help me? Would be pleased to correspond with Morphyisgod as well and others on the subject. Here's an opening system that I developed years ago and cant find it in any source. Is it original with me? 1)a3 d5(normally given as best)2)e4!? simple transposition from 1)e4 d5, 2)a3 - avoiding Center! what we have here is a Reversed Englund Gambit!! Ia there a refutation to this opening and if so, what is it? Some years ago, M.Basman lost well-known Grob games in the same event to both Kudrin and GM Keene. Can
Basman's lines be rehabilitated? More analysis etc is needed than given in Basman's book on the Grob. Can anybody provide me with important analysis to hold the game for white while avoiding the gambit var. as often played by Grob and perhaps Bloodgood? Morphyisgod and others are invited to respond to my queries. Feel free to give analysis and frank opinions as you see fit. Let me know if any good books, mags, booklets, pamphlets, cds etc are available on Kings Gambit and or specific variations and how I may obtain them. I want to open a can of worms and share info with my fellow fanatics! - old or modern, English or in any other language. Would like to obtain any of Colin Leach materials that I do not have. Thank you for your help. Will provide books/mags for those who provide materials not already owned by me on KG accepted or declined. Steinitz Gambit 1) e4 e5, 2) Nc3 Nc6, 3) f4 included in offer. Please contact me first and let me know what you have discovered and or are offering. The same applies to Englund gambit or Reverse form as given above) and grob or borg openings as well. You can also contact me at hakvago@yahoo.com - BambitheVampire. |
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| Jul-20-11 | | refutor: here's one from Canadian Open
[Event "Pinnacle 48th COCC"]
[Site "Toronto CAN"]
[Date "2011.07.16"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Yoos,J"]
[Black "Barron,M"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteTitle "FM"]
[BlackTitle "FM"]
[WhiteElo "2373"]
[BlackElo "2171"]
[ECO "C37"]
[Opening "KGA"]
[Variation "double Muzio gambit"]
[EventDate "2011.07.09"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5. O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4 Bc5+ 12. Kh1 Ne7 13. Qh5+ Qg6 14. Qxc5 d6 15. Bxd6+ Nf5 16. Qxc7+ Bd7 17. Nd2 Rc8 18. Qxb7 Qxd6 19. Rxf5+ Kg6 20. Rg5+ Kxg5 21. Ne4+ Kh5 22. Nxd6 Rxc2 23. Qf3+ Kg5 24. h4+ Kxh4 25. Qe4+ 1-0 |
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