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| Aug-12-24 | | faulty: the guy understands GENS UNA SUMUS very liberally...
seriously, should be banned from chess for life.
and should be invited by the Justice of Latvia for a cup of tea |
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| Aug-14-24 | | Messiah: dude... |
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| Aug-16-24 | | djvanscoy: The findings and decision of the FIDE Ethics and Disciplinary Commission can be found here: https://ethics.fide.com/wp-content/... Be forewarned: the details of the case are nauseating. It's difficult to understand how the Latvian police did not consider this a criminal offense under Latvian law. |
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Aug-16-24
 | | perfidious: <djvanscoy....It's difficult to understand how the Latvian police did not consider this a criminal offense under Latvian law.> Tough to comprehend how this could be so.
Must be Strebkovs had it in for Dreev and, in particular, Khalifman, trying to throw blame on them. Wonder whether Strebkovs will appeal this decision based on the committee chair being a woman; stranger things have happened. |
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| Sep-18-24 | | rogl: In a Swedish newspaper Anna Cramling says that she is one of the victims. |
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Sep-18-24
 | | offramp: Listen everyone - this is NSFW!! I stopped immediately and perhaps <YOU> should do. |
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Sep-18-24
 | | MissScarlett: I thought you were self-unemployed. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | stone free or die: Speaking of unemployed:
https://www.chess.com/news/view/and... . |
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Jan-29-25
| | MissScarlett: No news on the Kirill Shevchenko front, it seems. His 75-day suspension ended on January 1st, so he’s in a state of legal limbo. |
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Jan-29-25
 | | FSR: This guy sounds disgusting, but I don't understand stripping him of his IM title. Alekhine collaborated with the Nazis, writing a series of articles about decadent Jewish chess. https://en.chessbase.com/post/alekh... Should he be stripped of his world championship title? How about Bobby Fischer? He was a rabid anti-Semite, urged the random murder of Jews in his notebook, and publicly celebrated the September 11 terrorist attacks against the United States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby... Should we take away his title while we're at it? What about con man and International Master Norman Tweed Whitaker? He was disbarred in 1924 and served time at Leavenworth for an elaborate auto theft/insurance fraud scheme. In 1932, he tried to extort $104,000 from a wealthy heiress by claiming to be in contact with the kidnappers of aviator Charles Lindbergh's baby. Obviously he, like Strebkovs, didn't meet the standards of conduct we expect of International Masters. Time for his title to go. |
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| Jan-30-25 | | Muttley101: <FSR: This guy sounds disgusting, but I don't understand stripping him of his IM title.> Very simply, decisions about the conduct of members of a register are made according to the existing ethical framework and regulatory procedures governing them. Examples of such registers include health professionals and legal professionals. FIDE operates such a register, and chess players can apply to be registered with FIDE and be awarded FIDE titles. With that comes a responsibility to adhere to FIDE's ethical standards and standards of conduct during the period of registration. This includes not engaging in conduct that brings the game into disrepute. This FIDE registrant was determined to have done so, and one of the sanctions applied was the removal of his FIDE title. All completely normal for a body administering a register. Professional registers, and their standards of conduct and procedures for considering whether a member is in breach of them and if so what action might be taken, develop over time. You cite historical examples to suggest the current FIDE's action in this case in stripping the defendant of his title is wrong. Far from it- your historical examples demonstrate why there was a need to develop the ethical framework, standards of conduct, and regulatory procedures for FIDE members, including the possibility of sanctions. |
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Jan-30-25
| | perfidious: While I consider Strebkovs' conduct repellent, we have the case of Alejandro Ramirez Alvarez, who was sanctioned for worse behaviour, but certainly not shorn of his GM title, following a clear pattern of sexual assault. When someone prefaces a post with 'very simply', time to shut down in view of the likely gratuitous condescension to follow. The point would have been made more effectively without those opening words. |
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Jan-30-25
| | FSR: I can see banning him from competition. But FIDE awards titles to people who have demonstrated a certain level of play, irrespective of their morality, decency, etc. Vile people can also play good chess. |
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Jan-30-25
| | FSR: <perfidious> Yes, "very simply" suggests that one is addressing a simpleton. "Here, let me put this in terms that even you can understand." |
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| Jan-30-25 | | Muttley101: <FSR: I can see banning him from competition. But FIDE awards titles to people who have demonstrated a certain level of play, irrespective of their morality, decency, etc. Vile people can also play good chess.> The bit you're not acknowledging is that being a member of a regulatory body's register and being awarded a a title by them brings with it the responsibility to act in accordance with the code of conduct. It's commonly referred to as being an ambassador for the profession/sport etc, or put another way "your conduct matters and reflects on our standards as the awarding body". He didn't, so the option to remove the title was an option and enacted. Titles accredited by regulatory bodies are known as proscribed titles- the regulatory body also has the right to remove them if they deem it fit, and they cannot be used if the regulatory body decides to withdraw the accreditation. It's a standard option in regulatory practice when dealing with malpractice and breaches of the code of conduct. Also, you're now saying "FIDE awards titles to people who have demonstrated a certain level of play, irrespective of their morality, decency, etc". Is that true? If you want to share examples of people getting FIDE titles who had breached the current FIDE administration's code of conduct before they were awarded the title, and FIDE awarded the title knowing they were in breach of the code of conduct and ignored it, please do, as that needs to be brought to the attention of FIDE's ethics committee. Apologies if you were offended by my writing "Very simply", not intended. You offer a lot of insightful comments on this site. |
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Jan-30-25
| | perfidious: <FSR: <perfidious> Yes, "very simply" suggests that one is addressing a simpleton. "Here, let me put this in terms that even you can understand."> One 'poster' richly deserving of such condescension has decided to use this as a pretext to attack, this coming after eleven days' absence: <....Odd and rather unfair that an ethically challenged man of profusely lewd vulgarity would criticize another's sexual behavior given how proud one is of sexual liberation (a long-time proud supporter of sexual predator Bill Clinton), including exposing school children to sexually explicit reading materials and encouraging underage sex changes. In other forums, you have always considered such madly objectionable indoctrination to be developmentally healthy for kids....> |
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Jan-30-25
 | | keypusher: I agree with FSR -- seems stupid to strip this guy of his title, as opposed to barring him from competing. As for how licensing bodies behave, I'm not aware of any consistent body of precedent. The doctor who abused US gymnasts is rotting in jail, rightly, but as far as I know he can still call himself "doctor." |
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Jan-30-25
| | perfidious: So do I, despite the overweening pretentiousness of the nine-page dissertation by <Muttley101>, ironically opening with 'Very simply'. My <stalker> should open his dictionary, just once, wherein he might learn that 'repellent' is an adjective as well as a noun. Strebkovs had it coming, and Ramirez should have also, but the latter's real punishment awaits, as a pariah for life. |
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| Jan-30-25 | | stone free or die: <<kp> but as far as I know he [Nassar] can still call himself "doctor."> I highly doubt this. That's just my gut reaction, but I'll look into it. I would even go so far as to say his professional credentials were stripped from him long before his trial. While verifying his name I see wiki has this "former family medicine physician". |
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| Jan-30-25 | | stone free or die: I assume people read the link I cited above, but perhaps not? I say that because nobody has talked about one of the major reasons FIDE gave for stripping him of his title: <In the case at hand, the respondent seriously failed in his position as a role model, being the holder of an IM title. Moreover, he uses this title to coach and thus remain in contact with a community of young players among whom he can choose his victims or inquire about potential victims, and as long as the respondent is in contact with his sphere of influence, he will always be a threat to the entire chess community and especially the vulnerable groups he targets.> Stripping him of his IM title is being justified as a preventative step to ensure his coaching days are over. |
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| Jan-30-25 | | stone free or die: One might not agree with him (though I do, somewhat), but I think <Muttley 101> has presented a reasonable argument. And the "very simply" I think applies to his quick synopsis of the dynamics and responsibilities incurred from being a member of a "register". <Very simply, decisions about the conduct of members of a register are made according to the existing ethical framework and regulatory procedures governing them.> I don't think it was used in a condescending fashion, but as a lead-in statement - to wit, "here's my brief summary". |
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| Jan-30-25 | | Muttley101: <keypusher: I agree with FSR -- seems stupid to strip this guy of his title, as opposed to barring him from competing. As for how licensing bodies behave, I'm not aware of any consistent body of precedent. The doctor who abused US gymnasts is rotting in jail, rightly, but as far as I know he can still call himself "doctor."> "I agree with FSR -- seems stupid to strip this guy of his title, as opposed to barring him from competing." But he was banned from competing as well has having his title rescinded. He was banned from competing in FIDE rated events, with the ban being extended from 5 to 12 years. It's in a chess.com report to which there is a link in an earlier post. "The doctor who abused US gymnasts is rotting in jail, rightly, but as far as I know he can still call himself "doctor."" He was working in Texas without a licence to practice: "Nassar was practicing without a Texas medical license while he worked at the Karolyi Ranch, which since 2001 had been the USA Gymnastics designated U.S. Women's National Gymnastics Training Center in Huntsville, Texas." The article from which this quote is drawn goes on to point out that it is a criminal offence. Because of the use of "Dr" in academia the term isn't proscribed or protected per se, but proscribed in the sense that you can't use it to give the impression you can practice as a medical doctor when you can't legally do so. "As for how licensing bodies behave, I'm not aware of any consistent body of precedent." It exists and there are many examples, but if you're not familiar or involved with regulation there's no reason for you to know that. Coming back to FIDE, the point is that FIDE made changes to standards for chess players, and along with these changes came procedures to ensure that there is a fair and transparent procedure for handling alleged breaches of the code of practice. Regulation has many virtues, including raising the status of the profession, but there's also a requirement for those who want to be on the register and use accredited titles to ensure they act accordingly. That's the bit that some people aren't used to- an accredited title isn't a qualification you've obtained and keep for life necessarily, as it is something that can be revoked by the awarding body. |
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| Jan-30-25 | | stone free or die: <Media Exposes Alleged Criminal Who Sent Pornography and [Used] Condoms to Underage Chess Players> https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm... This is from three years ago.
Explains the DNA testing reporting. |
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Jan-30-25
| | keypusher: <Muttley101> Very simply, barring this guy from competing seems like a sufficient sanction, and stripping him of his title strikes me as stupid and pointless gesture. YMMV. |
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| Jan-30-25 | | Muttley101: <keypusher> Pointless gesture? On the contrary, it sends a message. It sends a message to all his victims who are chess players that there is no place in chess for this conduct, and being stripped of your title is pointed. It sends a message to other registrants that FIDE doesn't tolerate misconduct and there are severe sanctions that can be applied. And lastly, it shows the public that their standards mean something. |
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