|May-19-06|| ||BIDMONFA: M Tratar
|Dec-06-09|| ||Tabanus: GM Marko Tratar, Slovenia, born 20 May 1974. Now rated 2480, http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...|
IM in 1995. GM in 2006. ICC: Trale
Champion of Slovenia 1997. Played in the olympiads 1992 (2nd reserve), 1998 (1st reserve), 2002 (Slovenia III, board 1), and 2006 (board 4), and in European Team Ch 2007 (board 3). Played in five Mitropa Cups (1997: team won, him having 7.5/9 on board 4). Plays in several European chess leagues (Croatia: club Pula).
Slovenian vice champion 2002 and 2007. His GM norms:
Placed 4th in Open Bosnjaci 2009:
http://www.klasje.net/default-100,2... (in Slovenian)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_... (in German)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_... (in Polish)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_IYqOtDnn9YA/S... (in red)
|Dec-06-09|| ||Prugno: Physical disabilities are always a delicate subject, but I have played next to Mr. Tratar and I think it is right to add one piece of information which is not clear from the photos and texts linked by <Tabanus> (except perhaps the interview, but who understands Slovenian?). To put it very bluntly, his right arm is missing. |
This only increases my admiration for him, since he has managed to achieve such good results in chess despite what must be a severe handicap!
|Feb-15-10|| ||jackpawn: <Prugno> No disrespect, but how is missing an arm a real handicap playing chess?|
|Feb-15-10|| ||acirce: Because it's a handicap period. No exception for a chess player. I agree with <Prugno>.|
|Feb-16-10|| ||Valmy: How a missing arm can be a handicap to play chess?|
|Feb-16-10|| ||whiteshark: <Prugno <...but who understands Slovenian?>> Kaj misliš?|
|Feb-16-10|| ||acirce: Might as well miss your legs too, can't make any difference, can it? As long as you have one arm left to move your pieces with.. Of course it's a handicap, seems pretty silly to deny.|
|Feb-16-10|| ||Valmy: Please ACIRCE stop attacking me personally each time we disagree.
I understand that you think differently in this case and it is your right.|
You may well argue that a one-armed personed may have trouble to do simple things for us in everyday life like reading a book and using a chessboard at the same time for example...
This is a valid argument you may use.
But you should try to understand that some people can thing differently and even be right.
I think that this obvious disability in everyday life has no or insignificant influence on the capability to play chess, a mind sport.
I know a President of Court of justice with one arm, no problem for him, exept when he must carry files;-).
So, sorry but nothing silly in my opinion.
|Feb-16-10|| ||acirce: That was not a personal attack, and I don't remember having attacked you at any time before. And I left open the possibility of being wrong by saying "seems". Once you sit down at the board to actually PLAY it's probably not a significant handicap, but having to live with all those difficulties in everyday life should make it harder to become a strong player.|
|Feb-16-10|| ||achieve: Speaking from experience it can also spur one on to compensate and create both physical and mental resources mostly unavailable to most able-bodied.|
Yet overall acirce may be right. Case per case, individually, such claims are a different cattle of fish, and perhaps even rather irrelevant.
|Feb-16-10|| ||acirce: <achieve> That's a good point, indeed.|
|Feb-17-10|| ||Prugno: Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion, and especially to <acirce>, for understanding my point of view.|
Some handicaps (such as GM Tratar's) don't really hamper you in playing a single game of chess; but they make your everyday LIFE much more difficult, and to become a very strong chessplayer under such challenging circumstances requires either great talent or exceptional willpower.
This reminds me of a conversation I once had with IM Duilio Collutiis (who is both a former Italian Champion and World Champion for Silent Players, or whatever the deaf officially prefer to call themselves). He told me it could be no accident that the best players in those Championships were never the totally deaf, but those like him who, at least with the help of a hearing aid, had some chance to understand and interpret sounds. "During the game there is no difference, but - for them - studying and learning in an interactive manner is so much harder!"
|Feb-18-10|| ||ycbaywtb: gosh , the things people argue about, handicaps and stuff, sometimes it's a bit surprising|
yet i'm not surprised people have their own opinions, and these differ often
chess is hard period
|Apr-04-10|| ||Tabanus: Placed 2nd today and 2616 perf. in San Sebastian Open 2010:|