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|Apr-07-13|| ||vinidivici: lol... there are some/many mistakes over the players biography / explanations in this site.|
|Apr-07-13|| ||Nosnibor: <vinidivici> The explanation to your post of Apr-07-13 is that the games shown as being played in the World Correspondence Championship in 1968 were actualy played in 1967 and earlier by Dr.Fazekas .The actual event finashed in 1968 when it was won by Hans Berliner.Because Fazekas had only completed less than half of his games his score was cancelled.This was a shame because at his death he had amassed 5 points out of 7 and was one of the leaders.In fact the game shown in the database against Zagorovsky was never completed and should not show as an official loss.If the final position is examined it will be observed that Fazekas had good drawing chances.( source obituary by P.H.Clarke B.C.M.July 1967 issue)|
|Apr-08-13|| ||vinidivici: thanks for telling those...|
|Nov-29-14|| ||MissScarlett: When asked if he was being facetious, he was wont to reply, no, I'm being Fazekas. How they laughed!|
|Nov-29-14|| ||Phony Benoni: The "posthumus" games were from a tournament that ran (or rather, crawled) from 1965-1968, so he would have had time to complete them before his death. But we should consider changing the date anyway.|
|Sep-16-18|| ||Cibator: <slapwa: Ritson Morry used to tell a story about Fazekas defending a K + wrong B + doubled RP v K endgame >: |
I've just come across an anecdote by Leonard Barden concerning this incident (on Edward Winter's "Chess Notes", no less, so I think we can accept its accuracy).
According to LB, it was Fazekas trying to win that dead-drawn ending, and it was against William Winter in the 1950 British Championship.
See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... for the full account. Fourth paragraph down.
|Sep-16-18|| ||MissScarlett: Birmingham Post, September 1st 1958, p.19:
<'Insult' to British Chess Champion
A protest at the exclusion of Dr. Stephen Fazekas from the team to represent Britain at the Chess Olympiad at Munich in October was made at the annual members' meeting of the British Chess Federation at Leamington on Saturday.
Dr. Fazekas won the British championship last year but lost the title in the championship contest at the Federation's annual congress which ended on Friday.
In July, after his exclusion from the British team. Dr. Fazekas returned the championship trophy to the Federation stating that it had "ceased to be a source of pride and inspiration" and had become "a symbol of humiliation."
Mr. A. Terrett, of Norwich, said at the meeting that he was convinced he was speaking for a large number of chess players in England who strongly resented the insult to Dr. Fazekas in excluding him from the team.
Mr. Peter Shaw, of Harrow, said that while he sympathised with Dr. Fazekas personally, his record in a number of tournaments after he won the championship did not justify his selection, but he felt that the case required some sympathetic consideration.
The meeting passed by a large majority a resolution advising the Council of the Federation that future British champions should be granted automatic right of inclusion in British teams.
Dr. Fazekas, who was not present at the meeting, is an international chess master. He is Essex champion — a title he has won seven times — and a former Southern Counties champion.>
The BCF team at the Olympiad was Alexander, Penrose, Golombek, Clarke and Wade.
|Sep-16-18|| ||Sally Simpson: ...and they finished 11th 18½ pts behind the winners (surprise, surprise) the Soviet Union.|
I am so glad to read about the W.Winter - Dr. Fazekas drawn ending.
In my first tournament I too had doubled h-pawns and the wrong Bishop and played on for a number of moves thinking two h-pawns made a difference and I could win it.
|Sep-16-18|| ||Nosnibor: <MissScarlett><Sally Simpson> The selection Committee may have considered that Dr.Fazekas age at being over 60 was a major factor in ruling him out. However I understand he was not very popular with some of his fellow competitors.|
|Sep-16-18|| ||MissScarlett: Botvinnik famously skipped the 1952 Helsinki Olympiad when his team-mates nominated Keres as top-board, so surely the BCF couldn't be less democratic than the Soviets and allow no input from the players. Of the dramatis personae, only Penrose is still alive. I guess when he's dead, people will say, 'What a pity nobody interviewed him before he died.' Hello!?|
|Sep-16-18|| ||PhilFeeley: <MissScarlett> So why didn't he like Keres? I thought everybody liked Keres.|
|Sep-17-18|| ||MissScarlett: I don't know what Fazekas thought of Keres.|
|Sep-17-18|| ||Sally Simpson: :)
Not too much apparently, he played on for quite a few moves a piece down v Keres. Fazekas vs Keres, 1958 though I agree with a poster there, it is very possible Keres was in time trouble.
Some interesting snippets here:
"Dr. Fazekas, originally a Czechoslovak subject, came to Britain shortly before the Second World War.
He is a medical practitioner, living at Buckhurst Hill, Essex, and has competed in many tournaments in Britain and in Czechoslovakia.
He was formerly the champion of Slovakia and his tournament successes before the war qualified him for the title of international chess master."
In the Sunday Times, 18 Aug 1957 C. H. O'D. Alexander has a stab at predicting the outcome of the 1957 British Championship.
1. Penrose; 2. Milner-Barry and Clarke; 4. Wade; 5. Parr and Barden also stating he himself would finish out of the prizes.
After the event he writes:
Sunday Times, 8 Sept 1957
"This year my prophetic face is redder than ever before the only really accurate part of my forecast of the British championship was 'Alexander unplaced'.
He then continues:
"It would be idle to pretend that Fazekas is the strongest player in the country..."
But on the whole in the rest of his piece he is kind to Dr. Fazekas and is glad he won it.
" He is in style a true amateur: with little knowledge of the latest opening fashions, he relies on his grasp of general principles and his middle and end-game skill to carry him through—and it is refreshing to find that the championship can still be won without an encyclopaedic knowledge of the openings."
B.H.Wood in the I.L.N. 14 Sept 1957.
" It seems hardly sufficient to write that Dr. Fazekas’s winning the British Championship is the biggest surprise we chess-players have had for a generation."
"Has his chess shown improvement lately? Nothing to speak of. Here, it seems appropriate to mention that he is fifty-nine—an age at which few people (apart from those aged fifty-nine) are wont to concede that there is any scope for improvement at all.
That he had a stroke five years ago may be a vital clue. If you think I am getting lightheaded—well, I am.
<Never Studied Chess>
Has he been studying intensively? Training hard? If I am to believe his friends, coupled with the evidence of his games, he has never studied chess —as we know chess study nowadays—at all.
There was probably not a player among the thirty-one others who contested the Championship who knew less “book" than he. His openings are bizarre.
Was he favoured by the draw? The "Swiss system" on which the Championship is organised does creak occasionally. In the last round it was a sheer toss-up whether he played P. H. Clarke or M. J. Haygarth; he got the latter, whom most would consider the weaker.
His previous opponents having been Beach, myself, Newman, Penrose, Mardle, Barden, Thomas, Gibbs, Wade and Abrahams, however—seven of whom have played for England, and two others former British Universities champions. He certainly had no "weak" draw.
Genial he is, and wears his laurels modestly. He arrived from Czechoslovakia before the war, and lost no time in becoming naturalised. "I came with two ambitions," he confessed at the prize-giving ceremony; "to win the British Championship and to perfect my English. Now you have heard me you can see I still have a good expectation of life!"
The link also has letters to CHESS complaining about the Swiss system and how it favoured the DR. Fazekas with the good Doctor himself replying.
Heated 'Letters to the Editor' were the forerunner of forum debates without emojis and trolls.
|Sep-17-18|| ||roberts partner: <Miss Scarlett "Of the dramatis personae, only Penrose is still alive.">|
After 11 rounds of the 1958 British championship at Leamington, Barden and Penrose tied for first on 8.5/11, with Clarke third on 8/11 and Fazekas on a minus score with 5/11.
There was then indeed "input from the players", Miss Scarlett's phrase above.
Penrose, Clarke and Wade sent a letter to the BCF asking that Barden should be included as the sixth player for the England team at Munich. The BCF refused.
At the Munich Olympiad, where Barden was a reporter for the BBC Radio Three chess programme, he helped the team with opening preparation and adjournment analysis, but of course could not play.
With only five players, the England team, particularly Alexander who was aged 49 and had some difficult matches on top board, became very tired. It was generally agreed that sending only five players was a mistake.
The Olympiad squad reverted to six players at Leipzig 1960, where Barden scored 6/10, the highest England percentage, and at Varna 1962, where Barden, with 8/12, made the second highest England percentage after Penrose's board one silver medal total of 12.5/17.
At Leipzig, Barden showed Penrose the opening novelty which was used to defeat the reigning world champion Mikhail Tal.
Earlier, before the team for Munich was even selected, Fazekas as reigning British champion was invited to the 1957-58 Hastings Premier. He finished last with 2.5/9.
Barden finished fourth with 5/9, ahead of Penrose and Clarke and behind only the world championship candidates, Keres, Filip and Gligoric.
After Hastings 1957-58, BH Wood wrote an article in Chess pointing out that Barden's results gave him a stronger claim than Fazekas and recommending that Barden be included as a sixth player in the team for Munich 1958.
The BCF selectors declined to follow Wood's advice.
Reverting to the above quote from Miss Scarlett, I believe Barden is still alive.
|Sep-17-18|| ||Retireborn: <roberts partner> Bravo, felicitations! As good old Tarta might have said.|
|Sep-17-18|| ||roberts partner: <Retireborn: Bravo, felicitations! As good old Tarta might have said.>|
Tartakover did actually use that phrase to me once, as I've already recounted elsewhere:
In July 1955 I visited Paris, was told of the Caïssa café so went to the Boulevard Montmartre hoping to play for stakes and help finance my trip. There were around a dozen to 20 patrons each afternoon, presided over by a charming elderly lady, Madame Le Bey Taillis. My hopes of unsuspecting victims were soon dashed as Madame found out that I was British champion and introduced me gushingly as such to prospective opponents. So most days I ended up playing five-minute games with the café professional Sherbakov, who competed in one or two minor international tournaments of the time. We were evenly matched, and after several hours there were only a few centimes in it.
Tartakower used to visit daily and play almost exclusively with an old gentleman to whom he gave odds (I forget whether a knight or substantial time-odds). The amateur was accommodating, lost virtually every game, and paid up after two or three hours. One afternoon the doctor was late and the old gentleman was en prise, so I took the opportunity to become his opponent and to collect from him. After an hour or so Tartakower arrived and looked aghast at what was probably his rent and roulette money being usurped. He sat down on the same side of the table as the amateur and fixed me with a cold stare. I soon took the hint and gave way.
We left the café together later that evening and it seemed that Tartakower had not fully forgiven me. He was too polite to reproach me directly, but began a gentle probe. My French was poor, but he rarely uttered English words. “You have been an undergraduate. What did you study?” “History, doctor.” “Ah good, can you help me with a historical question?” “I’ll try.” “In what year was the Battle of Hastings?” “1066.” “Bravo, felicitations!” It was well-known that the doctor liked to use this last phrase sarcastically to people he thought had overstepped the mark. We said our farewells, I left for London the next day, and seven months later wrote a sympathetic obituary for the Guardian.’
To add to the above, Tartakower also crushed me in our only tournament game (Southsea 1950).
|Sep-17-18|| ||Retireborn: <roberts partner> Yes, I'm familiar with the story, but I never tire of hearing it again. I wish I could have known the good Doctor myself.|
|Sep-17-18|| ||Nosnibor: <Roberts partner> Are you a Mr.Attenborough who lost to Tartakower in round 2 at Southsea 1950and finished on 3 points?|
|Sep-17-18|| ||roberts partner: I hope I'm a bit better than that!|
|Sep-17-18|| ||Nosnibor: <roberts partner> In that case you must be Leonard Barden himself!|
|Sep-17-18|| ||MissScarlett: : <Penrose, Clarke and Wade sent a letter to the BCF asking that Barden should be included as the sixth player for the England team at Munich.>|
Was Barden a party to this letter?
<The BCF refused.>
The BCF team had six players in previous Olympiads; was the reduction to five solely on the grounds of cost? If the BCF had consented, maybe they would have sent Fazekas instead.
<After Hastings 1957-58, BH Wood wrote an article in Chess pointing out that Barden's results gave him a stronger claim than Fazekas and recommending that Barden be included as a sixth player in the team for Munich 1958.>
Wait, was Wood's piece written on the assumption that the team would have the usual six members? Given Barden's form, surely he had a stronger claim than Golombek, Clarke or Wade.
<I believe Barden is still alive>
Good. If you see him, tell him I want a word.
|Sep-17-18|| ||Sally Simpson: from the ECF Forum April this year posted by Mr Barden.|
"Faz made a big fuss and very publicly returned his British Championship trophy as a protest, so got all the attention.
But shortly after Hastings 1957-58 [Hastings (1957/58) where I was fourth to the world championship candidates Keres, Gligoric and Filip while Faz was plumb last, BH Wood wrote an editorial in CHESS comparing our overall records and concluded that I should have been on the team.
Alexander, Milner-Barry and Golombek were running the selection and they chose only five players for the 1958 Munich Olympiad, ie no second reserve, ostensibly on cost grounds but also to avoid including me or Faz.
They didn't want Faz because they knew he would most probably do badly and was too egocentric to be a good team member, and they didn't want me because they were too influenced by the 1954 Olympiad where I performed poorly.
They also didn't want to be seen to be being influenced by BH [Wood] who all of them disliked.
After the 1958 British championship at Leamington, where I tied first with Penrose ahead of Clarke and Wade (who were on the Olympiad team) with Faz down the field, Penrose, Clarke and Wade sent a letter to the selectors asking that I should be added to the Olympiad team.
This was rejected with the comment that they would have accepted it had I been outright champion instead of tied first."
|Sep-17-18|| ||OhioChessFan: <rp: Tartakower used to visit daily and play almost exclusively with an old gentleman to whom he gave odds (I forget whether a knight or substantial time-odds). The amateur was accommodating, lost virtually every game, and paid up after two or three hours.>|
Was the old man's name Little Reynolds by any chance?
|Sep-17-18|| ||perfidious: <Nosnibor: <Roberts partner> Are you a Mr.Attenborough who lost to Tartakower in round 2 at Southsea 1950and finished on 3 points?>|
Tartakower vs L Barden, 1950
|Sep-18-18|| ||Sally Simpson: The clue has always been in the name: 'Roberts Partner' Fischer / Barden vs Penrose / Clarke, 1960 I thought everyone had figured this out years ago.|
How about this piece of prediction written in the Guardian on the 24th February 1975(sic) at the time of writing Fischer was still the World Champion. FIDE awarded Karpov the title in June 1975.
"...But in my opinion there is a very clear favourite for world champion in 1990. He is 11-year-old Gary Wainstein from Baku..."
Gary Kasparov was indeed the World Champion in 1990.
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