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Chinese Chess Championship Tournament

Ding Liren8/11(+5 -0 =6)[games]
Yangyi Yu7/11(+4 -1 =6)[games]
Hua Ni6.5/11(+2 -0 =9)[games]
Yue Wang6/11(+3 -2 =6)[games]
Jun Zhao5.5/11(+3 -3 =5)[games]
Xiangzhi Bu5.5/11(+2 -2 =7)[games]
Jianchao Zhou5/11(+2 -3 =6)[games]
Yifan Hou5/11(+1 -2 =8)[games]
Shanglei Lu5/11(+3 -4 =4)[games]
Shilong Li5/11(+2 -3 =6)[games]
Qingnan Liu4.5/11(+1 -3 =7)[games]
Chen Wang3/11(+3 -8 =0)[games]

 page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Li vs S Lu 1-0332012Chinese Chess ChampionshipD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
2. C Wang vs Y Hou 1-0442012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB27 Sicilian
3. Ding Liren vs Y Wang 1-0782012Chinese Chess ChampionshipD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
4. Q Liu vs H Ni  ½-½352012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB12 Caro-Kann Defense
5. J Zhao vs Y Yu 0-1612012Chinese Chess ChampionshipD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
6. X Bu vs J Zhao ½-½312012Chinese Chess ChampionshipE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
7. S Li vs C Wang 1-0282012Chinese Chess ChampionshipD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
8. S Lu vs Y Yu 0-1532012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
9. H Ni vs J Zhou  1-0602012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
10. Y Wang vs Q Liu  1-0572012Chinese Chess ChampionshipA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
11. Y Hou vs Ding Liren ½-½562012Chinese Chess ChampionshipC11 French
12. J Zhou vs Y Wang  ½-½342012Chinese Chess ChampionshipA90 Dutch
13. Y Yu vs X Bu  ½-½302012Chinese Chess ChampionshipC42 Petrov Defense
14. C Wang vs S Lu  0-1572012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB40 Sicilian
15. Ding Liren vs S Li 1-0562012Chinese Chess ChampionshipE15 Queen's Indian
16. Q Liu vs Y Hou 1-0592012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB25 Sicilian, Closed
17. J Zhao vs H Ni ½-½1032012Chinese Chess ChampionshipD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
18. H Ni vs Y Yu ½-½222012Chinese Chess ChampionshipA14 English
19. S Lu vs X Bu  1-0642012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB02 Alekhine's Defense
20. Y Wang vs J Zhao  ½-½712012Chinese Chess ChampionshipE94 King's Indian, Orthodox
21. Y Hou vs J Zhou ½-½582012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB93 Sicilian, Najdorf, 6.f4
22. S Li vs Q Liu ½-½792012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB06 Robatsch
23. C Wang vs Ding Liren 0-1462012Chinese Chess ChampionshipB51 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
24. Ding Liren vs S Lu 1-0242012Chinese Chess ChampionshipD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
25. Y Yu vs Y Wang ½-½392012Chinese Chess ChampionshipC42 Petrov Defense
 page 1 of 3; games 1-25 of 66  PGN Download
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Apr-08-12  vsaluki: twinlark: "vsaluki: that's a churlish answer to a polite response."

A response that had nothing to do with the question that was asked. Polite snow or impolite snow - it's still snow.

"Just because someone thinks differently from you is no reason to mock them,"

Sure, authoritarian regimes are as good as any other form of government. What was I thinking?

I have no problem with the Chinese at all. But their government is clearly illegitimate. And I do have a problem with anyone who wants to defend such a government, no matter where they are from.

Apr-08-12  drik: <<Ladolcevita:> But I think the normal people should not be so obssesional about political issues,>

Would you care to explain why you think 'the normal people should not be so obssesional about political issues'? Particularly in a country with such large & growing imbalances in wealth, determined almost exclusively by political patronage. In ANY other country that I have lived in - Bangladesh, UK, Japan, Australia - it would be the dominant obsession. Are you sure the people are uninterested ... or do they fear to express an interest?

Apr-09-12  twinlark:

The discussion has moved completely away from chess towards politics-only rants. Perhaps any further political points to be made about the pros and cons of the Chinese or any other system of governance could be taken to The Kibitzer's Café or especially to the Kenneth Rogoff page where political arguments reign supreme.

Apr-09-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Ding is only 19 and has won the Chinese title 3 years running! Outside of Bobby Fischer, I'm not sure any other player has won three of his country's titles before the age of 20. Good trivia question.
Apr-09-12  Ladolcevita: <cro777>
According to the news report here,Yuyangyi hasnt qualified yet,the last spot,besides Wanghao,Lichao,Wangyue and Dingliren,would go to the Asian Continental Chess Championship winner but if no Chinese player wins that,then it would belong to the winner of Danzhou tournament.
Apr-09-12  Ladolcevita: <Fusilli>
First of all,I hope you wouldnt regard all the newspapers as truth and authority.The image of China in the western nespapers,one should know is already the second-hand information.I always find those western news about China particularly curious,I mean it's not like someone was talking about you or your country,rather,it's like someone was portraying a vivid picture that is a little distant from the reality.

But then I do agree with you that there is something truthful in that article,for although I have never known in person any abortion or those baby girls of tragic fate,I do have heard about such things before,especially in the backward areas.

After all,it's true that many Chinese parents want boys over girls,for instance,just recently a famous hostess from taiwan has given birth to her third baby girl,and she once declared in public that she really wanted a boy because her husband is the only son in his family,and she had already two daughters before,so for me her wish is very natural and understandable.But anyway after her third daughter was born,she said she felt it didnt matter now,and she would not bear children anymore.You see she is quite celebrated in China,whether in Taiwan,Hongkong,Macao or mainland,so after her third daughter was born,many people,especiall women,even around me were gossiping about this news,some with kindness towards her,some with opinion that people in this age shouldnt prefer boys over girls,so that's why I come to know this as I usually dont follow such kind of news.

And as for your view about how people really made their reproductive decisions,I entirely agree,because that's exactly what I have said to my fellows countrymen when they were raving about how people should prefer having daughters after hearing the news,and for several times!So apparently many Chinese people do not think that way,even when I told them looking for a partner is completely personal,it doesnt matter how many male or female are in the population pond,but they still think it has much to do,so gradually I come to believe in that way too.That's why I naturally spoke out that opinion as part of mine in that post.I just think maybe that would also constitute a reason for many Chinese parents who prefer to have girls in the present age.

Apr-09-12  Ladolcevita: <twinlark>
Thank you for your very kind support:)
And yes,maybe it's just a question of form,anyway her performance here is not that bad,merely minus one.

<vsaluki><drik> It's late night here,so I have to sign off.But I will make a list for you two: 1.If there is no Confucius in western world,then there is no many western WORDS in Chinese culture.

2.It's not effortless for me to read and write these English posts,so sometimes I may lose the clue of what I'm going to say,when I have to care for the wording,the expression,even the tone so that some people wouldnt mistake me at least.So it's possible that I may say something"nothing to do with the question",and you wouldnt pardon me?

3.I'm not defending any government,I just do not like someone criticizing my country especially when most of such comments are ignorant of any reality about China.

4.Please do not always quote the dark things about China,when you are merely a westerner,who should really take care of western world in the first place.And communism is something from German right?And if it is not the western invasion in the history,how could China go down the way of communism?

5.ETC.Just really have to sign off.

Apr-09-12  cro777: <Ladolcevita: The last spot would go to the Asian Continental Chess Championship winner> Thank you for your answer.

I suppose the tournament you are referring to is the 11th Asian Continental Individual Chess Championships to be held 4-14 May 2012 in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. Have the players been selected by the Chinese Federation?

Last year Yu Yangyi won the Danzhou Super GM tournament. Yifan participated as well.

Apr-09-12  drik: <HeMateMe: Ding is only 19 and has won the Chinese title 3 years running! Outside of Bobby Fischer, I'm not sure any other player has won three of his country's titles before the age of 20. Good trivia question.>

Niaz Murshed (b. 1966) won the Bangladesh national championships in 1979, 1980, 1981 & 1982 before going on to play overseas. Four national titles by the age of 17. He in fact finshed joint 1st in 1978 aged 12 (record?), but was third on tiebreak.

Apr-09-12  drik: <Ladolcevita: I just do not like someone criticizing my country>

I just asked you to justify your claim that Chinese people are not interested in politics. Any implied criticism is of your assumptions, not of China.

<especially when most of such comments are ignorant of any reality about China.>

My comments apply to humanity as a whole. Why would the Chinese be disinterested in politics when it plays a larger role in their prosperity, than it does in the West? Rather than simply accuse me of ignorance - why not simply try to educate me by answering my question?

<Please do not always quote the dark things about China,when you are merely a westerner,>

I have said NOTHING about China - only about YOUR claims regarding the Chinese. And I am not a westerner - thank you for yet another unwarranted assumption. Oh! By the way. What do you mean 'merely a Westerner'?

Apr-10-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Well, this might be the "acid test". In western countries you don't get jailed for demonstarting peacefully. You do have to move if the police tell you to not gather on someone else's property, but there are no laws in the west about meeting with other peoples and disseminating political information and expressing one's opionions.

Different story in some other places:

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asi...>

Apr-10-12  Ladolcevita: <drik>
I have stated clearly it's late night,thus I had to sign off.So why did you ask me again<why not simply try to educate me by answering my question>? And I also stated clearly that it is not only for you,but you two,so if you are not selectively blind,you should see <vsaluki>said before:<And I do have a problem with anyone who wants to defend such a government,no matter where they are from.>,so I replied<I'm not defending any government,I just do not like someone criticizing my country especially when most of such comments are ignorant of any reality about China.> So <I just do not like someone criticizing my country...>is apparently not for you,why did you quote that?

And I have also told you that it is not effortless for my reading and writing so many latin letters,so I might indeed forget what your question exactly was.Now that you've mentioned it again,I would willingly answer it--- I'm not acquainted with all the Chinese,how can I know if others are interested in politics or not?I mean everyone has their interest,maybe some Chinese people just like politics,how could I know? All I know is that I never see people talking about politics in their daily life except when some political news happen to be the talk of the day,in a fashion western people talking about weather,it's more like gossip,not because they are afraid of talking about it as someone imagined,it's just that they think it wont change anything after all."C'est tout sur le papier"would find its counterpart in Chinese idiom as well.They still have to lead their life,whether decent or miserable or mediocre or otherwise,you see China has a large population,it's not like in some country everyone has a chance to be president or everyone has a very important impact upon society,common people here are too many,one dont think oneself has any power before the crowd.Moreover,Chinese traditional culture form society in a different way from western world.So that's why I said<If there is no Confucius in western world,then there is no many western WORDS in Chinese culture.> and<merely a westerner>.And nowadays,Chinese people might talk about their family,their friends,their lovers,their occupation,their making money,their spare time hobbies etc.,but not politics,Chinese people are generally practical(just generally,there are all kinds of people everywhere right?),and people here are certainly not talking about politics because they have so many other things to care about first,I thought this is very commonplace,but why is it so hard for you to understand?And I also said although Chinese people are not that political like westerners but one do agree that politics play a very important role in people's life.

But what I really could not understand is that after all the plaintive miserable ages that the western invasion occasioned for China and Chinese people in history,all the disasters like those millions of people killed in those bygone days,western world nowadays still stand out to always point out the dark things about China,as if they are so kind and justice that anything wrong that comes from China become their very caring interest,but people have their eyes,elephants can remember,it's not what you said that would matter,it's what you did.To the kind people in the western world,who would not feel grateful and friendly,but for those who are not,who are perhaps deeply inside their own belief,their linear mind and could neither understand nor respect other nations and people,words should fail me.BTW,I'm not speaking all these things to show I'm someone to remember the hatred,it's just that some people are making me to turn back the leaves of history.History is a mirror,as Santayana's famous aphorism goes"the one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again",if the world are full of people like you,would the wars be endless?I would remind you of the Chinese character"Îä",which literally means "military,martial arts,etc.",it is roughly composed of two elements:To put an end/A kind of weapon.It might imply that the military is to put an end of the weapons,just as all the ancient Chinese culture persuading people to be peaceful and harmonious.Would you see at least one light in this example to know anything about Chinese people,at least ancient Chinese culture?

Enfin,I should really remind you that I'm just an ordinary person who do not come here for diplomatic questions,and I could only represent myself,so would you be so kind to spare me all these posts then? You see I'm merely an ordinary person that really has not that energy and time for such kind of topics.If you speak Chinese,I will be very glad to answer all your questions,for that will be much easier,but if you speak Chinese,maybe your questions are already solved,at least in some measure.

Apr-10-12  drik: <Ladolcevita:> I simply asked you to explain your claim that the Chinese are not interested in politics. A VERY short, simple request.

Instead of replying -

(i) you complain that it is late at night, when I did not insist on an immediate answer,

(ii) you say that your non-existent answer is NOT only for me,

(iii) you say that I am not allowed to respond to answers intended for another,

(iv) plead difficulty with English when writing posts several hundred words long.

It seems you have no interest in debate, but merely preaching to us 'mere Westerners'. You still have not explained that comment. Is it because you are too sleepy, unable to understand ... or intended to direct the insult to somebody else?

Apr-10-12  MORPHYEUS: The Chinese are a wise people.
Apr-10-12  Appaz: <drik> I suspect that your typical western confrontational style will not get you the information you want. IF information was what you really wanted.
Apr-10-12  Ladolcevita: <Appaz>
Thanks for your kind support:)

<MORPHYEUS>
Thanks for your praise:)but I think every people is wise indeed,only in their own fashion,and China is just one of them.

<drik>
I suppose I did answer your very question in my last post,but all right,never mind,I wouldnt post on this issue any more for I have already made my point in no small measure,and sorry if I have said something that might have offended you,which you could be sure is really outside my original intention.

Apr-10-12  twinlark: <IF information was what you really wanted.>

One wonders.

Apr-10-12  cro777: <If information is what we want>

When advocating for democracy we should take into consideration that cultural tradition and historical experience play an important role in social change. Some countries work hard to explore the path and model of democratic development with their own characteristics. We cannot pretend to hold a dominant control of democratic discourse and interpretation. It does not conform to the spirit of democracy.

But the discussion has moved completely away from chess. I'm sorry.

Apr-11-12  GITorquemada: This page is for 3 topics:

1.Chinese
2.Chess
3. Championships

We are discussing the Chinese now.

My humble opinion is that the contribution of the Chinese to world cuisine is the unequalled best in history so we should accept them regardless of what kind of government they have. Just my two pesetas...

Apr-11-12  drik: <Appaz: <drik> I suspect that your typical western confrontational style>

LOL! You too? I am not Western.

<IF information was what you really wanted.>

My post was "Would you care to explain why you think 'the normal people should not be so obssesional about political issues'?" Which I would characterize as seeking information & politely at that. Only when the response bore no resemblance to the question, did I press - & that is not just a 'Western' trait.

Anyway, I feel I have right to be insistent when someone says 'mere Westerner'. Perhaps you feel that language like that is acceptable.

Apr-11-12  drik: <twinlark: <IF information was what you really wanted.>

One wonders.>

Or one can simply ask.

Apr-11-12  twinlark: One might already know.
Apr-11-12  GITorquemada: Be humble like the chinese dumplings, respect each other, and call each one "my steamed colleague."
Apr-11-12  Appaz: <<drik>: <Appaz: I suspect that your typical western confrontational style> LOL! You too? I am not Western.>

I was talking about your <style>, not your ethnicity. Your profile says you are a "UK player".

<Anyway, I feel I have right to be insistent when someone says 'mere Westerner'.>

Could you please supply a link to where he says so? Because I searched for it with "Search Kibitzing", but could not find a reference to it anywhere, except for in your last post.

Apr-11-12  GITorquemada: Assuming it does not exist, does it follow it wasn't said?
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