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| Jan-12-05 | | Ziggurat: <druken> I was replying to <InspiredbyMorphy's> older kibitz. Sorry for the confusion. |
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| Jan-12-05 | | AgentRgent: <drukenknight: 1) this is not a very representative game.> I posted it because it was the only game I could find that had 5...Na5. <what if: 5. Bxf7+ Ke7 6. Bb3 Qe8> 7. Nf7 Rg8 8. Nxe5 |
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| Jan-12-05 | | refutor: 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ Bd7!? is the way to go. i've played this religiously for a while (mostly because i dislike bogoljubow's 6. ...c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3! as black) and i get a better position than most of the main lines in the two knights |
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| Jan-12-05 | | drukenknight: >>> I posted it because it was the only game I could find that had 5...Na5. Yes I understand, I was merely making "comment" on the game itself, not really a judgment on the posting, or the person making the post, or whatever. |
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| Jan-12-05 | | AgentRgent: Don't worry, no offense taken. |
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| Jan-12-05 | | drukenknight: Actually I am offended, I am offended YOU ARE NOT TAKING WITH THE KNIGHT. You are probably a sicilian player too. I know I am not having a good day now. |
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| Jan-12-05 | | drukenknight: Agent isnt 7 Nf7 met by ...NxB and black has the better game? See? You know you really want to put the N on f7 dont you? |
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| Jan-12-05 | | AgentRgent: Ok, 7. Nf7 is bad. 7. d4 is probably better.. still up a pawn, and Black's king stuck in the middle, White Has to be better! |
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| Jan-12-05 | | drukenknight: but I already confused you right off, yes? Try it w/ Nxf7 first. |
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| Jan-12-05 | | AgentRgent: <drukenknight: Try it w/ Nxf7 first.> No, Bxf7+ is definately the way to go. White just needs to be sensible and consolidate the extra pawn, plus advantage of Black's exposed king. After 4...Na5 5. Bxf7+ Ke7 6. Bb3 Qe8 7. d3 White has a pawn and Black has no compensation, only weaknesses. |
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| Jan-12-05 | | drukenknight: it has more latent power than you think. |
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| Jan-13-05 | | drukenknight: THen there is this gambit type of play w/ the QN which is what happens when I am not looking at the other side of the board.... 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Nf6
4. d3 Na5!?
5. Nxe5 Nxc4
6. Nxc4 b5
7. e5 Nd5
8. Qf3 Bb7
9. Ne3 (00 may be possible here but who think of it?) 9... Nxe3
10. Qxe3 Bxg2
11. Rg1
and maybe I am okay after all.. |
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| Jan-27-05 | | trogdor: I've been looking at 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7.
In this position I can't find any way for white to not lose. Anyone want to suggest a line where white survives? |
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| Jan-27-05 | | drukenknight: on the contrary, trog. Black appears to be kiling white in the main line look at this game, in the position after after 6 moves, there are 67 games in database, white has won 10 and black 47!! Smirnov vs Ulanov, 1955 |
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Jan-28-05
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: drukenknight, what amazes me that *any* of these games end in draws! Long live the Wilkes-Barre! |
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| Jan-28-05 | | drukenknight: I think one problem is that if you play this as white, you can whip up on a lot of amateurs, if you ever try this against a very strong player he has no problem finding moves for black. |
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| Jan-29-05 | | trogdor: I said is there any way that WHITE doesn't lose!! |
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| Jan-29-05 | | drukenknight: oh. Hmmm, that's a tougher challenge. |
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| Apr-25-05 | | refutor: <wilkes-barre> obviously it isn't as good as the numbers suggest (these lines never are) but is it playable OTB with a little bit of prep? any comments? |
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May-09-05
 | | TheAlchemist: <refutor> If you really know what you are doing, I'd say YES! I suggest you get to know the typical attacking schemes and moves that come in handy. If you catch white by surprise, you've done half of your job already. However, the Italian is not that popular (at least from my practice) so chances are you won't be able to play it. Btw, I have tried the Wilkes-Barre many times in internet blitz games with opponents of about my skill level and I have never lost. |
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| May-09-05 | | chessboyhaha: Big complications begins with 4...d5 5.ed5 Na5 and now 6.d3 or 6.Bb5+ |
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May-16-05
 | | Annie K.: Got a game to show off... ;)
As always, comments on possible improvements for either side, or anything else, are very welcome. :)[Site "http://gameknot.com/analyze.pl?bd=3..."]
[Date "2005.05.05"]
[White "gladiatar"]
[Black "annie-jade"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 b5 6. Bxb5 Qxd5 7. Bxc6 Qxc6 8. O-O Bb7 9. f3 Bc5 10. Kh1 h6 11. Nh3 O-O-O 12. Qe2 Rhe8 13. d3 e4 14. fxe4 Nxe4 15. Qg4 Kb8 16. Nd2 Nf6 17. Qf3 Qe6 18. Qg3 Nh5 19. Qh4 Qe2 20. Nf3 Qxf1 21. Nhg1 Bxf3 22. Qb4 Bxb4 23. gxf3 Re1 24. Be3 Qxf3# 0-1 |
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May-16-05
| | Annie K.: White's move 20. Nf3 was the end of it, IMO, the rest was just an attempt to put off the inevitable, hoping for a blunder. He should have tried 20. Nf2, but even then he would have been in trouble. |
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| May-16-05 | | TheSlid: <Annie K> if 20.Nf2 can you play 20...Qxf1+ 21.Nxf1 Re1? Would be very funny if it works! |
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May-16-05
| | Annie K.: <TheSlid> That wouldn't work, because with the Knight on f2, he could play Kg1, peventing the immediate mate, and then I'm left a Queen down, with lots of pieces hanging, and particularly the danger of Qxd8+, which he could play even before Kg1. I was planning on 20. Nf2 Rd4 21. Qh3 and either Rf4 or Nf4. |
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