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| Apr-02-09 | | MaxxLange: The problem with that idea is beginner v beginner games where White always plays the Stonewall and Black always plays the Dutch - you get into the dreaded double Stonewall, and no one has any pawn breaks (or knows about them) and it's like the d4 version of the dreaded symmetrical quiet Italian Game in that every game is the same and dead equal. |
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May-14-09
 | | James Demery: Can one of the better players give a sort of overview of the goals and plans of the Dutch defense? I`m a 1500 player and have played a few games with it with mixed results, largely because I`m not sure what I`m supposed to be doing. |
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| May-15-09 | | nescio: <James Demery> Concentrate on the square e4. If White can play e4 without hindrance he will always develop a space advantage. I have never trusted the move 1...f5, but sometimes played it in a delayed form: 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ 3.Nc3 f5 or 3.Nd2 f5. Another idea may be to cover square e4 first with the bishop: 1.d4 b6 2.c4 Lb7, followed by ...e6 and ...f5. Of course you have to be comfortable with the positions after 2.e4. For ideas and plans it's best to have a look at some grandmaster games. 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 e6 and a subsequent ...d5: Botvinnik, Short. 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 e6 and a subsequent ...d6: Larsen, Simon Williams. 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6: Malaniuk. |
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| May-15-09 | | blacksburg: check out some of Henrik Danielsen 's live blitz videos, he plays the dutch with black whenever he has the chance. http://www.youtube.com/user/krakkas... |
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May-15-09
| | James Demery: nescio and blacksburg: Thank you both for taking the time to respond. Every time I play my biggest problem seems to be that I wind up with my King exposed and facing a tremendous amount of pressure. Morphy made it look so easy. CG.com is a tremendous resource for lesser rated players like me to get to hear the thoughts of higher rated players. Many thanks to both of you. |
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| May-15-09 | | nescio: <James Demery: Every time I play my biggest problem seems to be that I wind up with my King exposed and facing a tremendous amount of pressure.> I can imagine. That's a drawback of 1...f5. It weakens the kingside and restricts the light-square bishop. On the other hand, a later ...f5 is often an essential part of many defences against 1.d4 and it isn't always easy to achieve it, so why not play it at once? Botvinnik and Larsen played it to unbalance the game, not to get an easy position. If White isn't careful you may even be able to attack quickly by advancing the other kingside pawns. You'll find many examples in the queen's indian (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6) and the king's indian (2...g6 and 3...Bg7). Don't be afraid of difficulties. Just play it, study your games afterward and try to find out how the masters treated similar positions. |
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May-18-09
| | James Demery: Very good advice nescio. Thank you. |
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| May-18-09 | | Poisonpawns: May i add....:-) I have had relations with the dutch defense for several years now. I will say that playing it will definitely improve your overall chess skills.There are so many anti-dutch sytems available to white, that are dangerous, and sound.You may hardly get to play main lines in the dutch defense.You may have to face Staunton Gambit or H3,g4 lines,Qd3, Early Bg5 lines etc.So in all this preperation to play the dutch,you may not get to play a stonewall or leningrad.However you will increase your understanding, and have some hair raising games to go with it.Enjoy |
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| Jul-10-09 | | parisattack: <Poisonpawns: May i add....:-) I have had relations with the dutch defense for several years now. I will say that playing it will definitely improve your overall chess skills.There are so many anti-dutch sytems available to white, that are dangerous, and sound.You may hardly get to play main lines in the dutch defense.You may have to face Staunton Gambit or H3,g4 lines,Qd3, Early Bg5 lines etc.So in all this preperation to play the dutch,you may not get to play a stonewall or leningrad.However you will increase your understanding, and have some hair raising games to go with it.Enjoy> That was my experience when I played the Dutch. Hardly ever got a main line... I wanted to play 1. ...e6 to avoid most of them, but can't warm to the French. |
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| Jul-10-09 | | WarmasterKron: I play the Dutch a lot, but this is probably my first spectactular win with it. It's a bit of a mess, as all my games tend to be. [Site "http://gameknot.com/"]
[White "congocall"]
[Black "dkirby"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1392"]
[BlackElo "1360"]
1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. e3 e6 4. c4 b6
5. a3 Bb7 6. Be2 d5 7. cxd5 Nxd5 8. b4 Nd7
9. Bb2 N7f6 10. Nc3 Qe7 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Ne5 Kb8
13. Nxd5 Nxd5 14. Bf3 g5 15. Bxd5 Bxd5 16. Re1 g4
17. g3 h5 18. Ng6 Qd7 19. Nxh8 Qg7 20. Qd2 h4
21. gxh4 Qxh8 22. Qe2 Qxh4 23. Qf1 Bd6
click for larger view24. f4 gxf3 25. Qf2 Rg8+ 26. Kf1 Qh3+ 0-1
I'd love to claim 17...h5 was a deliberate exchange sacrifice, designed to swap his active knight for my passive rook, but, er, it wasn't. |
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| Jul-10-09 | | blacksburg: <I wanted to play 1. ...e6 to avoid most of them, but can't warm to the French.> this is also my dilemma, i like the dutch, but i can't figure out the french... |
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| Jul-10-09 | | parisattack: <blacksburg: <I wanted to play 1. ...e6 to avoid most of them, but can't warm to the French.>
this is also my dilemma, i like the dutch, but i can't figure out the french...> One try is going to a Franco-Benoni - 1. d4, e6; 2. e4, c5!?. Its very 'loose' but the option of posting the KN on a square other than f6 can make things interesting. You have to be ready for a Sicilian (Kan or such) if white refrains from d5 and plays Nf3 instead. |
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Jul-10-09
 | | Eric Schiller: 1.d4 e6 2.Qd3 can lead to a Manhattan Gambit after 2...f5 3.g4!? So you haven't escaped that. |
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| Jul-10-09 | | parisattack: <Eric Schiller: 1.d4 e6 2.Qd3 can lead to a Manhattan Gambit after 2...f5 3.g4!? So you haven't escaped that.> :) There is no escape, IM Schiller - the game is a labryinth to us all. BTW - Any news on the Pterodactyl eBook? |
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Jul-11-09
| | Eric Schiller: I'm working on eBooks, but have to play a bit. I have two recent MG games that I'll post when they are done. Pterodactly just keeps growing and I have to figure out how to cover it in 100 pages or so. |
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Jul-11-09
| | Eric Schiller: A brutal Manhattan Gambit:
[Event "Akiba`s Rubinstein Memorial"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2009.07.10"]
[Round "1"]
[White "FM_Eric_Schiller"]
[Black "Politicalmusic"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2404"]
[BlackElo "2022"]
[TimeControl "1 in 3 days"]
[Termination "FM_Eric_Schiller won by resignation"]
1.d4 f5 2.Qd3 g6 3.g4 fxg4 4.h3 g3 5.fxg3 Bg7 6.Bg2 Nf6 7.e4 O-O 8.e5 Nh5 9.Ne2 Bh8 10.Nbc3 d6
11.Bg5 Qe8 12.Nd5 Na6 13.Nxe7+ Kg7 14.Qe3 Nb4 15.Bh6+ Kf7 16.O-O+ Kxe7 17.Rxf8 Qxf8 18.Bxf8+ 1-0 |
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| Aug-05-09 | | drukenknight: I decided to play the Dutch to throw people off in speed games. (especially against players who start slow e.g. 1 e3 2 d3 etc not in this case) This one has an interesting example of tripled pawns early on: 1. c4 e6
2. d4 f5
3. Bf4 Bb4+
4. Nc3 Nf6
5. a3 Bxc3+
6. bxc3 c5(the crap pc suggests 6...00 but why not offer triple pawns?) 7. d5 (pc suggests: dxc5!? what do you think?)
7...exd5
8. cxd5 Qa5
9. Bd2 Ne4
10. c4 Nxd2
11. Qxd2 Qxd2+
12. Kxd2 O-O
13. e3 d6
14. Nf3 Nd7
15. Rb1 Nf6
16. Bd3 b6
17. h3 Bd7
18. Rhg1? (needed Rhf1) Rae8
19. Rge1 (Ke2 better) h6
20. a4
after 20 a4 black wins a pawn:
click for larger view…Ne4+
21. Bxe4 fxe4
22. Nh4 Rxf2+
23. Re2
after 23 Re2 game over as N is trapped:
click for larger viewthe computer suggests 23 ...RxR KxR g5 to end it; but our game actually went 23...Ref8 24 Rbe1 b5 and whites N goes g6-e7-c6 to create a passed pawn on c6 that is caught by the black King. Too funny. |
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Jun-09-10
 | | GrahamClayton: I have seen games where White plays 1.♘f3 f5 2. d3. What is the purpose of 2.d3?. Is there a possibility of a e4 pawn gambit? |
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Mar-26-11
 | | Penguincw: Opening of the Day:
Dutch
1.d4 f5 |
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| Apr-14-12 | | Tigranny: Sometimes I use this as Black. |
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| Apr-14-12 | | parisattack: Dutch Chess Books
(Sans Leningrad)
Dutch Defense New and Forgotten Ideas - Minev/Donaldson
Dangerous Weapons Dutch - Pallister, et al
Dutch Defense - Chess Digest
Winning with the Dutch - Bellin
Dutch Stonewall - Aagaard
Win with the Stonewall Dutch - Johnsen/Bern [excellent book!]
Classical Dutch - Pinski
Classical Dutch - Bellin
Play the Classical Dutch - Williams [good book, a bit HTF]
Hollandische - Schwarz
Substantial coverage (partial volumes) in both the German 'bis' series', the Euwe series and the Russian Chess Openings series. Please add to my list if you know others - there are seven or eight just on the Leningrad. ChessBase recently released DVDs of The Classical Dutch (Martin) and the Dutch Powerbase. Perhaps this opening will make a comeback? |
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| Apr-14-12 | | parisattack: Modern Stonewall Dutch - Schiller
:) |
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| Nov-02-13 | | Kikoman: <Opening of the Day> Dutch
1. d4 f5
click for larger viewOpening Explorer |
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| May-22-14 | | RookFile: In a blitz game tonight, I blundered into an interesting position, after: 1. d4 f5 2. e4 fxe4 3. f3 d5 4. c4 e6 5. cxd5 exd5 6. fxe4 
click for larger viewA) Black replied 6...... dxe4, but after 7. Qh5+ his king had problems. I won quickly. B) Interesting is 6....... Qh4+ 7. g3 Qxe4+ 8. Kf2 Qxh1. Black wins a rook, but that's not
the end of the story. Now 9. Qh5+ counterattacks, i.e. 9....Kd8 10. Bg2 or 9.... g6 10. Qe5+ Hmm. 6....Qh4+ 7. g3 Qxe4+ 8. Kf2 Nf6 instead. Now 9. Nf3. Maybe white kicks with
Nc3 next or has a possiblity of Bb5+ and Re1. It might not be bad. Should we back up? 5. cxd5 exd5 6. fxe4 Nf6. Now 7. e5 Ne4 has ideas of ....Bb4 or Qh4.
I guess I prefer the black pieces. Maybe white can equalize. Well, this all looks good at 4 AM, but I'm sure a further look will reveal some missed opportunities. |
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| Aug-17-16 | | Mr. V: Here I played a game online, as Black. We are both rather low rated, so please let me know if you catch any glaring errors out of the opening. I have done some very light analysis of the game but likely there are variations I haven't even considered. 1.d4 f5
I play the Dutch on a whim against d4 when i don't feel like playing d5. I have a talent for getting awkward, barely defensible positions in any opening, so why not go there directly?
2.Nc3 Nf6
3.Nf3 e6
4.Bg5 Bb4
I rarely get to play this move in the dutch though pinning the Knight is my favorite idea.
5. Qd2 d5
6. 0-0-0 0-0
7. h4 h6
After the game I considered ...Ng4 but idk if it's worth any thought
8.Bxh6 gxh6
Sigh, here comes the test.
9.Qxh6 Bd6
Ok, I think here I definitely should have gone with ...Ng4, right?
10.Ng5 Bf4+
11.e3 Bxg5
12.Qxg5 Kh8
Isn't White's move a clear blunder? I think Black is lost after hxg5. Thoughts?
13. h5 Ne4
Again, why can't I notice ...Ng4?
14.Nxe4 fxe4
I really wanted to exchange Queens and this seemed to give me the most flexibility if White declines to exchange.
15.Qe5+ Kh7
Well, maybe I didn't utilize that flexibility. During the game I was afraid of ...Qf6 16.Qxc7, but I didn't bother to calculate further. Perhaps I'd have been safe.
16.f3 Qd6
17.Qg5 Rg8
18.Qh4 Nc6
The whole point was for Black to connect rooks, but even as I made this move I was praying it would not obstruct my pieces further. In fact I think this is a mistake. Not quite sure what else. Maybe ...Qg3 would have worked fine?
19.fxe4 dxe4
20.g4 Qe7
21.Qg3 Qd6
22.Qh3 Nd8
23.Bg2 Qd5
24.Rdg1 Kh6
25.Qg3 c6
26.Qf4+ Qg5
27.Qxe4 Qxg4
28.Bf3 Qxe4
29.Bxe4 Rg5??
Okay, so maybe i could have held the game if I hadn't played this. But I was trying to gain time on my very low clock. Sadly, I'm a horrible blitz player.
30.Rxg5 Kxg5
31.h6 resigns
So, any comments/variations/criticism/namecalling is more than welcome! |
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