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Jun-20-21
 | | MissScarlett: <<Mr. Huttman, the original projecter of the Westminster Chess Club> <John Henry Hutmann> (1805-1868) is a subject worthy of his own page. Failing that, I suggest you switch to Biographer Bistro |
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Jun-20-21
 | | Tabanus: Some more gleanings:
Bell's Life 24 June 1838:
<The Westminster Chess Club. This club is now progressing satisfactorily and regaining many of the members who frequented that institution from its origin. The present locale is Hill?s Hotel, Spring-gardens. During the last week considerable interest has been excited there, by a long match played between the club?s secretary, Mr. Staunton, and Captain Evans, the celebrated inventor of that brilliant chess-opening, which, scorning to walk in the dry-as-dust paths of the ancients, carves out a way to the picturesque of its own. The more Captain Evans' opening is tested by practice, the better does it appear to be. It has long been the fashionable debut among the chessplayers of our metropolis, and is now in constant use in the Parisian circle. It is to be regretted the two chess clubs, the London and Westminster, do not come to some arrangement by which gentlemen, bona-fide members of the one, should be entitled, as matter of right, to the entree at the other. There may exist persons, doubtless, whose delicacy is sufficiently elastic to allow them to waive forms, and avail themselves of the use of a room to which they pay not: but the majority, we hope, have a conscience made of stuff less stretching. To many a double subscription is felt impossible to be afforded, and no man, with any pretensions to the character of gentleman, can visit a club frequently, not being member. Of course we apply this only to residents in London. > Bell's Life 16 December 1838:
<Benjamin Smith, Esq., M.P. for Norwich, continues as President of the Club, and Mr. Staunton, a very brilliant Chess player, is constituted Honorary Secretary. We shall be happy to give further details when the new rooms are open, and, in the interim, applicants for admission may address the Secretary, Hill?s Hotel, Spring-garden. ...... As the Westminster Chess Club has been formally dissolved and reformed, it starts with entirely new rules.> Bell's Life 8 March 1840:
<Mr. Staunton, the secretary of the late Westminster Ciub, plays chess nightly, we learn, at Gliddon?s, in King-street> |
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Jun-20-21
 | | Tabanus: Morning Herald (London) 29 February 1828:
<GLIDDON'S CIGAR DIVAN, 42, King-street, Covent-garden, patronized by Officers in the Army and Navy, Gentlemen of the Law, and several of the first Literary characters. "Here a man may smoke in luxury, obtain a cup of capital coffee, and feed his curiosity with the tattle of the day from the best publications." Every Night Book. An elegant chess table is provided. Open every evening (Sunday excepted) from four till ten. The ce!ebrated Latakia Snuff, from Aleppo, in the original packets, 1s 6d each.> |
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Jun-21-21
 | | MissScarlett: Seems as good a time as any to share some of my own chronological notes on Staunton's activities and whereabouts in the period 1836-1841 (from which point he becomes a major figure in the chess world): <1836
Sept - Subscriber [Staunton H.] to Walker's book on McDonnell - alongside Charles Stanton 1837
Westminster club leaves Bedford St and temporarily relocates to Grand Cigar Divan in Strand, before closing end of September Dec - Secretary [Mr. Staunton] of Westminster club (Hill's Hotel, Spring Gardens) (BL, 1837.12.31, p.2) 1838
Match with Alexandre (Or late 1837?)
Jun - Ongoing m [Mr. Staunton] with Captain Evans (BL, 1838.06.24, p.3) Dec - New premises for (new?) Westminster club ready for relocation; Hon. Secretary [Mr. Staunton], still at Hill's Hotel (BL, 1838.12.16, p.3) 1839
Jan - Westminster club re-opens at 26 Charles St (BL, 1839.01.06, p.2) Apr - 'That gentleman is generally at his post by noon.' (BL, 1839.04.28, p.2) May - [Staunton] one of club's 'elite' players (BL, 1839.05.26, p.2) [Howard Staunton] living (?) at 26 Charles St (Robson's London Directory, 1840) Nov - Club moves (supposedly for repairs to club chambers) to Trafalgar Hotel, Spring Gardens (BL, 1839.11.24, p.2) Dec - Westminter club closes (BL, 1839.12.22, p.2) 1840
Correspondence games with Bristol CC, probably starting 1839 (BL, 1840.03.01, p.3) Playing nightly at Gliddons, Kings St. (BL, 1840.03.08, p.4) Correspondence m with Rev. Bolton
May-Dec - (New) Court Gazette column
Dec (?) - Match with Popert at London CC, George & Vulture Hotel, Cornhill 1841
Jan - First column in British Miscellany
Early 1841 Now regular at Goode's Chess Rooms, 39 Ludgate Hill Apr (?) - Odds m with Zytogorski at Goode's
May - Re-launch of British Miscellany & Chess Player's Chronicle Nov (?) Odds m with Brown
Dec (?) Odds m with Stanley> |
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Jun-21-21
 | | Tabanus: Just in case ..
https://www.citypopulation.de/en/uk..., if you zoom out the map you'll find <Stainton>, a village between Keswick and Carlisle. This must be the place that the traveller in Morning Herald (London), 25 August 1828 mentions: on his way between Keswick and Carlisle, he <passed the White Horse at Staunton>, continuing to nearby Penrith, etc. |
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Jun-21-21
 | | MissScarlett: In addition to the <White Horse>, keep an eye out for the <Red Herring> and the <Wild Goose>. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: And <Country Gentleman> :) I think you posted in 2015 that it must have been Staunton himself who wrote the letter in which he described himself and a friend as country gentlemen? |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: https://www.google.com/maps/@54.649... today. With the Kings Arms Inn and Brantwood Hotel, only about 22 km E of Keswick. Where Howard could go to school, and perform in the theatre, before leaving for London ;) Surely the Earl of Carlisle travelled here many times. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | MissScarlett: Sir, do not assume to put into my mouth that which one cannot show to be wholesome. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: I don't, it's just a working theory.
I see the Kings Arms in Stainton was built in 18th century, so it was there in 1810. Only abt. 5 km from Keswick there is an establishment today called White Horse. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to check the 1840 census of the area. What else can be done. https://mannchess.org.uk/Events/185... reports of the Grand Chess Meeting at Red Lion Inn, Market Place, Caistor, 9 October 1851. Of those present was <H. Stainton Esq.> (Hull Advertiser) or <H. Staunton, Esq.> (two other newspapers). |
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Jun-22-21
 | | MissScarlett: Then work yourself back to 2015. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: I seem to remember there's already a "Stainton theory" existing. I'll try to find it, if you wont't save me the job. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: I can't find it. Only this: <Gallicrow: ... My own fledgling theory is that Staunton's original surname was Stainton rather than Stanton or Staunton.> And that https://mannchess.org.uk/Events/185... considers the text with <Stainton> (in Hull Advertiser) may be closer to its original. On the "country gentlemen" I find this from 3 Aug 2015 (it may mean nothing): <Staunton had hired William Lewis as an analyst for his magazine. It may be that the Staunton joined Lewis' camp in that war of animosity between Lewis and Walker. Here is an excerpt from a letter-to-the-editor (it was anonymously signed "No Lawgiver," which mean it was likely written by Staunton himself, another of his modi operandi) putting down Walker:TO THE EDITOR OP "THE CHESS PLAYER'S CHRONICLE."
Sir, it's one of a numerous provincial Society established to enjoy the scientific recreation of Chess-play, permit me to tender my thanks for your proper censures on the silly interpolations, which Mr. Walker has attempted to palm upon us "country gentlemen," as the Laws of Chess in use at the London Chess Club.> |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Ke... is the church in Keswick. <If> Howard was baptized in the Keswick area, it would probably be in this church. https://britishlistedbuildings.co.u... |
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Jun-22-21
 | | MissScarlett: <<1836
Sept - Subscriber [Staunton H.] to Walker's book on McDonnell - alongside Charles Stanton> Nine months after Staunton's first known appearance in the historical record, Paul Morphy is born...anyone thinking what I'm thinking? |
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Jun-22-21
 | | moronovich: Yes,Staunton was a pawn star. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: Holiday tip: https://www.kingsarmsstainton.co.uk/ Try the local ale. And don't forget to ask for the guest book for 1809, to see if the Earl of Carlisle wrote in it. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | Tabanus: <that he acted with Edmund Kean, taking the part of Lorenzo in <The Merchant of Venice>> Compare with Westmorland Advertiser and Kendal Chronicle, 10 March 1832: <Through the indefatigable exertions of Mr Roberts, the manager of our theatre, the lovers of the drama in this town, enjoyed a rich treat on Monday evening last, in witnessing the transcendent powers of Mr Kean, the most celebrated actor of the present day. As Mr Kean never had been in Kendal before, and he being announced for one night only, as might have been expected, the theatre was crowded to excess. The play was the Merchant of Venice.> Kendal is also in the Lake District, E of Windermere and about 35 km SE of Keswick. |
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Jun-22-21
 | | MissScarlett: Keep digging. #ahole |
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Jun-22-21
 | | MissScarlett: Well, wherever he sprung from, we know how he departed... <Back in London the chess column of the <Illustrated London News> of June 20 1874 carried a short notice to correspondents, "Our notices to correspondents are unavoidably deferred."After his tramping in the Kent countryside, Staunton returned to "the whirl and worry of Babylon" and died at 29 Elgin Road on 22 June. Frances wrote to Halliwell the next day, mentioning briefly how she had found him: "You will I am sure be very grieved to hear that my poor husband died yesterday quite suddenly. I found him in his chair quite dead with an un-finished letter before him. An hour before when seen he appeared in his usual health.[...]"> (Notes on the life of Howard Staunton, J.Townsend, 2011, p.166) |
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Jun-22-21 | | Z legend 000000001: In the bio above, there is <"... the only blotch on this splendid record ...">. Perhaps a little too summary, and flowery, assessment, given his treatment of Steinitz in his writings: https://books.google.com/books?id=Q... (see next page, p70, midway down) |
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Jun-22-21
 | | MissScarlett: Staunton's antagonisms were not a bug, but a feature. |
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Jun-23-21
 | | Tabanus: The Merchant of Venice was also performed in Kendal in 1830 (without Kean). The newspaper gives the name of the one acting as Lorenzo: Mr. Taylor, I think it was. Check it out. MissScarlett appears to be unfriendly. So I'll stop now. Good luck. |
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Jun-23-21
 | | Tabanus: https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/C... is a place to start. I see no particular reason to doubt the censuses that he was born in Keswick (area). The task may well be impossible, especially if he changed his name. From Stainton, Taylor, or whatever. |
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Jun-23-21
 | | MissScarlett: < I see no particular reason to doubt the censuses that he was born in Keswick (area).> I see no particular reason to trust that all information volunteered to government officials by the great British public was the truth,the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Or do you believe the authorities had the time, resources and inclination to attempt to verify and audit the detail of such a vast wealth of information? |
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