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Oct-03-20
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...continuing this saga.
Petrosian has stated he does not use a mouse and was looking down at his touch pad. I can relate to that. I hate those stupid touch pads and have resorted to plugging in a mouse into my laptop. Nakamura counts 10 times in 30 seconds Tigran looked down at...something. Which I thought is possibly too many times if a player is getting tech help. Surely they only need one glance to get a move. If they were doing something silly continuing looking would be too obvious. I have since been reminded that a computer eval continually updates as it goes deeper so you have to keep looking at it (I never figured on that - don't use them). Without 100% proof we have to cut the player some slack. Here I remind you, a very good player. Coincidence in Chess No.174
Gaioz Nigalidze the chappie who was caught on the toilet using a mobile after Tigran Petrosian became suspicious. Gaioz Nigalidze (kibitz #11) Just noticed, the player picture - scroll up, slowly look top right (you do not Nakamura counting your eye movements.). He has a mobile phone right next to his board. (OOPS!) *** |
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| Oct-03-20 | | fabelhaft: <Petrosian has stated he does not use a mouse and was looking down at his touch pad. I can relate to that> It sounds a bit strange as explanation though, it should be much easier to misclick in blitz if one takes the eyes off the screen all the time. It is easy to feel the touchpad without looking at it, so not much point in constantly glancing at it. Much more important to not take the eyes off the cursor. |
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| Oct-03-20 | | login:
For me (without judgement of a third party, so far based on US opponents evaluations) a model 'conviene bene, che, accusandolo il fatto, lo effetto lo scusi' as I still can't see any new facts by the organizer in this 'trial based on circumstantial evidence'. For anyone wondering why their team was called
Armenian Eagles
'.. The eagle was the symbol of the Artaxiad Dynasty and later on the symbol of the Arsacid Dynasty of Armenia. The eagle and the lion are a common theme for civilizations on the Armenian Highland. As such they have been represented throughout various Armenian dynasties. Both of these animals [eagle and lion] were chosen because of their power, courage, patience, wisdom, and nobility in animal kingdom. The feather represents the intellectual and cultural heritage of the Armenian people (as a quill pen). ..' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_...
The horror trip continuous ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2na...
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Oct-03-20
 | | MissScarlett: Aronian's latest tweet:
<When I was little my grand father told me that my family's ancestry comes from Karabakh. I won my first strong tournament in a wonderful city of Stepanakert. We are people who always defended with pride throughout the history. We will this time too, I know It. #NagornoKarabakh> https://twitter.com/LevAronian/stat... Meanwhile:
<Teimour Radjabov Retweeted
Levy Rozman
@GothamChess
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Oct 2
Wow. Armenia just got disqualified from the PRO Chess League finals. The plot thickens:> https://twitter.com/rajachess |
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| Oct-03-20 | | Muttley101: This is the gift that keeps on giving. Here's how TP handles an interview about the matter with dignity and grace. (Note. Not a video, but a transcript. There's clearly a video somewhere out there.) https://old.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChe... Ironically, he threatens to stop playing on chess.com forever over the matter. Not his choice to make. Nakamura's review of the TP game against Dominquez is very interesting, well worth watching in full. Ditto the video of him looking at TP's behaviour during that game, in which TP glances down in the same spot in front of him 10 times in 30 seconds. The thing Hikaru doesn't point out is- compare it to Dominguez, who stays fixed on the board (the screen in front of him) the whole time TP keeps checking something out of sight in front of him. The suggestion he could be doing something else on the internet can be checked from his ISP and browser history. Not hard. Occam's razor. |
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| Oct-03-20 | | Muttley101: < MissScarlett: Aronian's latest tweet:
<When I was little my grand father told me that my family's ancestry comes from Karabakh. I won my first strong tournament in a wonderful city of Stepanakert. We are people who always defended with pride throughout the history. We will this time too, I know It. #NagornoKarabakh> https://twitter.com/LevAronian/stat... Aronian's tweet is nothing to do with the TP/Armenia Eagles episode, but the unrest and conflict in Nagorno Karabakh. |
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Oct-03-20
 | | perfidious: <Geoff....Without 100% proof we have to cut the player some slack. Here I remind you, a very good player....> But when chess.com play their <J'accuse!> card, it is all up with that party--there is no appeal from their Day of Judgment. |
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| Oct-03-20 | | Petrosianic: <Sally Simpson>: <Nakamura is of the opinion, yes if Wesley felt something was amiss then complain through the proper channels and not on open forums. > Bypassing the Ethics Committee and trying to settle disputes in the court of public opinion is, itself an ethics violation. |
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| Oct-04-20 | | fabelhaft: <Here's how TP handles an interview about the matter with dignity and grace. (Note. Not a video, but a transcript. There's clearly a video somewhere out there.) https://old.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChe...
Ironically, he threatens to stop playing on chess.com forever over the matter. Not his choice to make> That is from anarchychess and not exactly the real thing. In case anyone would believe the text about Petrosian memorizing his grocery list, having ”what would Magnus Carlsen do?” written in his palm, and trying to hold his wrist watch in a way so it would reflect into So’s eyes etc etc. Petrosian’s own text is actually more entertaining :-) |
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| Oct-04-20 | | Muttley101: <fabelhaft> Apologies, I don't look at reddit and assumed that (anarchychess) was a site. If the transcript is intended as satire- he got me. And yes, the posts TP made on the matter are better examples of grace, dignity and discretion. If it is a genuine transcript though, I challenge you to an OTB game for $5,000 and a glass of bull's milk. |
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| Oct-04-20 | | Muttley101: One condition, though. The bull's milk is certified as genuine by the arbiter, Tigran L Petrosian. |
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| Oct-04-20 | | login:
The anarchy outlet of r/chess is set up to mislead and meme 24/7 by default. It's one 'younger' generation's way - not with hate but fun based, of dealing with life opposite to the Rogoff rubber cell for our grumpy elders.
'.. I have zero interest in defaming or destroying the reputation of any titled player or human being on the planet ..' and in the next sentence he contradicted what his business practically did just months later for popularity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knv...
It's complicated yes, I might be biased here true but I don't see the organizers following their own preachings one bit with influencer 'Chess.com's coach of the month IM Levy Rozman' and main live commentator together with several other figures closely tight to the org (bull) milking this incident nonstop on every media outlet e.g. with CAPTIONS like 0:00 Intro to Drama
2:23 EYES DOWN "EVIDENCE"
4:05 Tigran: PIPI in PAMPERS
6:56 SUMMARY
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Oct-04-20
| | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi perfidious,
<But when chess.com play their <J'accuse!> card, it is all up with that party--there is no appeal from their Day of Judgment.> A friend of mine, not what you would call a famous player, was banned there and he kicked up such a persistent row and would not let it go that he was eventually let back on - not because he really wanted to play there again but to clear his name. (no evidence or data was forthcoming.) A name BTW not used for selling books or getting top dog invites, he just felt the insult needed rectifying. I think they just ban a few every now and then at random to give the impression they have surveillance equipment to frighten off would be cheats. Maybe we should call the 'Professional Rapid Online Chess League' the '2020 Computer Chess championship.' :) *** |
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Oct-04-20
| | MissScarlett: This appears to be a kosher source giving Petrosian's defence: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comm... |
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Oct-04-20
| | MissScarlett: <Peter Heine Nielsen
@PHChess
Chessbase: check engine correlation:
Petrosian,T: Corr= 60% 8 games
Giri: Corr= 60% 1 game
Grischuk,A: Corr= 51% 1 game
Dominguez Perez,L: Corr= 39% 1 game
Xiong,J: Corr= 38% from 1 game
So,W: Corr= 37% from 1 game
Saric,I: Corr= 33% from 1 game
Caruana,F: Corr= 32% from 1 game
7:18 PM · Oct 2, 2020·Twitter Web App> https://twitter.com/PHChess/status/... |
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Oct-06-20
 | | OhioChessFan: <li: For a quick recap this segment of Nakamura's popular lifestream on twitch.tv (reuploaded to his YT) might provide some 'evidence' why strong GMs e.g. like Wesley So raised suspicions at Tigran's play> It's unbelievable to see Naka instantaneously click through 48 plies, "normal, normal, standard, normal..." GM's are in a different universe than the rest of us. |
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Oct-06-20
| | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi Ohio,
<"GM's are in a different universe than the rest of us."> Yes, but that will not stop us telling them what openings they should play and the best way to improve. *** |
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Oct-06-20
| | OhioChessFan: Watched the video of Petrosian looking down, and I am totally unconvinced. I have the habit of looking down and to my left. Opponents have occasionally commented on it. "Why do you always stare at the a/h file?" Some people stare at the ceiling. I don't know. This wasn't close to justifying So's public comments. |
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Oct-06-20
| | perfidious: Indeed--there is a poster whose opening erudition far outstrips that of all top GMs, rolled into one and who loses no opportunity to proclaim that 'such-and-such is unplayable'--one would think him the superior of even Stockfish, Rybka and Wotsit. |
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Oct-07-20
| | MissScarlett: Think how strong Petrosian would be if he used a mouse. |
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Oct-07-20
 | | SteinitzLives: It`s always an option for the player accused of cheating to bring a lawsuit against his/her accusers. Libel, slander, defamation of character are all serious charges if the player knows he/she is innocent. Has Petrosian done this yet? Here in the US, the amount of time and labor required to successfully prosecute an accused cheater is great, and many tournament directors would rather not deal with it. That being said, a case is usually only brought when the evidence is overwhelming, and their are not many cases at all of a player successfully defending against an accusation of cheating. Hopefully better technology will reduce the instances of any inaccurate charges of cheating and instances of cheating too. |
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| Oct-10-20 | | Messiah: Cheaters are pathetic vermins. If he really cheated, then this situation is simply horrible. |
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| Oct-11-20 | | login:
Some guy in OZ still wondering about
A trout in the milk?
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/1... This 'author' has the guts (necessary financial freedom) to go public, so at least one of all this other 'respectable' mute gentlemen stops pussyfooting around. |
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Oct-11-20
| | SteinitzLives: I just read McShane's article in the Spectator, and it seems like no one clear issue generated the accusations of cheating and disqualification, but perhaps several small ones. Seems kind of shakey, and the secrecy around investigative methods, which is probably to protect against future cheating, makes it seem shakier. It`s as if the evidence is all under seal, and that Petrosian is not presumed innocent until clearly and openly proven otherwise. It`s the lack of clarity and openness implied in McShane's article that stands out. To put the onus on Petrosian to prove his innocence seems completely wrong to this US-based former paralegal. Why should he have to incur the expense of filing suit against the governing body, if he is innocent, to prove it? I will tell you why, because of the secrecy which both protects and condemns. One element I would like to see in the algorithm is percent likelihood to find the best move given time constraint and player rating, but for now I am sure that is impossible to do. We understand and can anticipate human nature more than the same for the human brain. It`s true that "Democracy dies in darkness", but with each passing day that Petrosian does nothing to attempt to maintain or prove his innocence, the gultier he looks because of the disqualification, despite the unfair looking secrecy behind it. |
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| Oct-17-20 | | login:
Hey Man, Nice Shot
'.. [Wesley] So, for his part, told the Guardian in an email that he felt sorry for Petrosian. Perhaps thinking of Lance Armstrong, he added: “I was a big fan of a certain cyclist and a part of me understands the pressure to succeed at all costs. At the same time I feel pain for other competitors ... Who will restore what was taken from them?” ..' https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2... |
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