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Mar-07-09
 | | Benzol: Anything yet on those games from Prague 1944 that <Gypsy> mentioned on page 1 of this thread or have the wheels stopped on the project? |
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Mar-15-09
 | | Richard Taylor: <Gypsy: At one point I came accross a thought that a soviet-style system could have succeeded if it were composed of people like Botvinnik. The flaw of that thought is that Botvinnik would not stand another Botvinnik in the same land. He took a resolute preemptive action against any, real or perceived challenge to his top-dog possition (Levenfish, Bronstein, ...) When Botvinnik did not feel challenged, he was a humorless but benevolent king. Most understood that and kept safe by giving Botvinnik wide berth (Ragozin, Flohr, Keres, ...). ..> Despite everything that is said about this bloke - and I know Stalin was a bad egg - but this Bohatirchuk may have collaborated withe Nazis..which would make it understandable that Botvinnik wasn't keen on him... or his book published by (and for?) the Nazis...also these chess rivalries lead to statements such as "hang him" etc but it is heresay - Botters was probably a bit grumpy but this doesn't necess. mean he was evil. And the model for Zhivago? Sounds as as though the bloke romanticised himself... also... was he that good? Still it is very interesting. |
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| Mar-15-09 | | rchczrms: This guy looks like Chaplin without the hat. |
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Mar-15-09
| | Benzol: I don't want to steal anyones thunder or rain on anybodys parade and I'm not even sure about its authenticity but I found the following gamescore. [Event "?"]
[Site "Prague, Czechoslovakia"]
[Date "1944.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Pachman, Ludek"]
[Black "Bohatirchuk, Fedor P"]
[ECO "B95"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "78"]
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qf3 Be7 8.O-O-O Nbd7 9.Be2 Qc7 10.Qg3 O-O 11.h4 Kh8 12.f4 Nc5 13.Bf3 Bd7 14.e5 dxe5 15.fxe5 Ng8 16.Bf4 Rfd8 17.h5 h6 18.Rhe1 Be8 19.Qf2 Rd7 20.Rd2 Rad8 21.Red1 Bf8 22.g4 Ne7 23.Qe3 Qb6 24.g5 Nf5 25.Nxf5 exf5 26.gxh6 gxh6 27.Nd5 Qe6 28.Kb1 Ne4 29.Bxe4 fxe4 30.Qxe4 f5 31.Qf3 Bf7 32.c4 Qc6 33.Qc3 Be6 34.Qb3 b5 35.cxb5 axb5 36.Qc3 Qb7 37.Ne3 Qe4+ 38.Nc2 Rxd2 39.Bxd2 Rc8 0-1 Perhaps someone can tell us if it's really the game they played in Prague in 1944 that <Gypsy> alluded to on page one of this thread. |
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Apr-13-09
 | | Gypsy: <Benzol> Yes, that is the Game 1 of the 1944 Match that Bohatirchuk won (7.5-0.5) against the local masters in Prague (Pachman: "Eight games by GM Bogatyrchuk"). Pachman spoiled the game in time scramble; control was at move 38, if I recall correctly. -- I do hope that those games will get published soon. |
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Apr-13-09
| | Gypsy: <... or his book published by (and for?) the Nazis ...> I may be the source of a misconception here. Just to make it clear: The "book" (8-Games of GM Bohatirchuk) were notes/pamphlet personally typewritten by Pachman, sometime during the Winter of 1944/45. Nazi propaganda and or printing resources had really nothing to do with it. (We just did not know what it was til a copy was discovered by IM Gerard Welling.) |
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Jul-19-10
 | | GrahamClayton: A thorough biography can be seen at:
http://www.correspondencechess.com/... |
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| Nov-26-10 | | Antiochus: Fyodor reached his second soviet title with brilliant tactics:
F Bohatirchuk vs Dus Chotimirsky, 1938
F Bohatirchuk vs S Belavenets, 1938
F Bohatirchuk vs N Kopaev, 1938 |
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Jun-12-11
 | | beatgiant: Where can I see some of his games before 1923 (earliest in this site as of now)? |
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Jun-12-11
 | | perfidious: <beatgiant> I've looked on two other sites, and they also have no games earlier than 1923. |
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| Jun-13-11 | | TheFocus: Here is an consutation game against Capablanca from 1914. Bogoljubow, E., Bogatirchuk, F., & Evensson, A. – Capablanca
Queen’s Gambit Declined
Kiev, March 5, 1914
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Bg5 Nbd7 6.e3 O-O 7.Rc1 b6 8.cxd5 exd5 9.Qa4 Bb7 10.Ba6 Bxa6 11.Qxa6 c5 12.O-O c4 13.Rfd1 Qc8 14.Qxc8 Raxc8 15.Ne5 Rfd8 16.Nb5 a6 17.Na7 Rc7 18.Nac6 Nxe5! 19.Nxe7+ Rxe7 20.dxe5 Rxe5 21.Bxf6 gxf6 22.Rxc4 dxc4 23.Rxd8+ Kg7 24.Kf1 Ra5 25.Rd6 b5 26.a3 c3 27.bxc3 Rxa3 28.g4 a5 29.Rb6 Rb3 30.Ra6 Ra3 31.Rb6 Rxc3 32.Rxb5 Rc1+ 33.Kg2 a4 34.Ra5 Ra1 35.Ra6 Kg6 36.h4 Kg7 37. Ra8 a3 38.Kf3 Ra2 39.Ra6 Ra1 40.Kf4 Ra2 41.f3 Rh2 42.Kg3 Ra2 43.h5 Ra1 44.Kf4 Ra2 45.Ke4 h6 46.f4 Rg1 47.Rxa2 Rxg4 48.Kf5 Rg3 49.e4 Rg1 50.Rh2 Rg3 51.Rh4 Re3 52.Rg4 Kf8 53.Rg1 Re2 54.Rg3 Re1 draw. |
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Jun-15-11
| | beatgiant: <TheFocus>
Very interesting; thanks! |
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Jul-08-11
 | | chancho: Bohatirchuk and the Mrs.
(Olga)
http://www.canadianchess.info/image... |
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| Sep-04-13 | | KlingonBorgTatar: RIP Fedor Parfenovich. |
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| Jan-17-14 | | Conrad93: Haha, 3-0 against Botvinnik. |
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| Apr-03-14 | | Everett: <The suffix “-chuk” (or -chuck or -czyk) denoted either the son of, or an apprentice to the blacksmith. It is somewhat similar in commonality to English surname Smith.> From wiki. Never knew that meaning. Ivanchuk has been hammering out some awesome chess recently har har har. |
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Apr-03-14
| | perfidious: <Everett> In 1979, I lost a game to the strong Montreal player George Levtchouk. One supposes there is at least a chance that -chouk comes to the same sort of thing. |
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| Apr-03-14 | | Everett: <perfidious> no shame in that loss; you were obviously hammered into sterner stuff! |
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Aug-02-15
 | | offramp: <Everett: <The suffix “-chuk” (or -chuck or -czyk) denoted either the son of, or an apprentice to the blacksmith. It is somewhat similar in commonality to English surname Smith.>
From wiki. Never knew that meaning. Ivanchuk has been hammering out some awesome chess recently har har har.> Well if -chuk means Smith, and we all know that Ivan is a Russian version of John, then Vassily Ivanchuk 's surname means "John Smith". |
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| Jun-01-16 | | diagonal: biography (no new information if you have followed the chessgames postings, but an easy to read summary of his life, working & chess career, including Bohartirchuk's games against Botvinnik): http://www.chessdevon.co.uk/HTML/ga... |
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| Jun-02-16 | | posoo: Dis man looks INSANE and UNSTABILE. It is a relef dat he is NOT one of my frends DOS HE SMASH? |
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| Nov-27-17 | | whiteshark: Today CB published a big bio report about him: https://de.chessbase.com/post/der-m... (The man who was Dr Schiwago - in German) The non-working correspondencechess.com-link in his bio should be replaced by
https://web.archive.org/web/2016030... |
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| Nov-28-17 | | whiteshark: and here's the a.m. CB report in English: https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-m... |
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Nov-28-17
 | | ketchuplover: <posoo> the feeling is probably mutual :) |
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| Jul-11-20 | | jith1207: Is there any update on Bohatirchuk project mentioned earlier 16 years ago? I guess it's important to share the knowledge and resources with more volunteers for future continuation for avoiding the risk of losing all the good work done so far. |
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