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Feb-04-05 | | euripides: Judging from the games, Stanley appears to be an American, who was playing in New York and New Orleans in the 1840s and visited England in the 1850s. Anyone know more ? |
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Feb-04-05 | | sneaky pete: <euripides> Born England, 1819, moved to the USA in the 1840s, was considered the American champion from 1845 when he defeated Rousseau in a match until 1857 (Morphy). |
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Feb-04-05 | | euripides: <pete> many thanks ! |
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Jun-27-05 | | Knight13: Charles Henry Stanley (1819 - 1901) was the first chess champion of the United States. He became the champion in 1845 after defeating Eugène Rousseau of New Orleans in a match for the championship.
Stanley was an Englishman who came to the USA in 1843, and his English ideas had a great influence on American chess. One of his ideas was to have a regular newspaper column devoted to chess, which he started in 1845 in The Spririt of the Times. He also started the American Chess Magazine in 1846, but others copied the idea (which originated in England), and competition forced the magazine out of business. In 1855 he organized the first World Problem Tournament. In 1846 he published the first US book on a chess match, 31 Games of Chess. Stanley is a little known figure who has been eclipsed by the achievements of the world famous Paul Morphy. He played Morphy in 1857, losing the title of US Chess Champion to his much better opponent. He was married and later had a daughter Pauline, who was named after Morphy. --- Wikipedia
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Apr-02-09 | | WhiteRook48: from 1881 to 1901 he got drunk?! |
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Dec-20-10
 | | Phony Benoni: Stanley seems to have had that wonderful editorial knack of handling correspondents with subtle insults in the stately Victorian manner. Here are a couple of examples from his column in <The Albion>: (October 10, 1852) <"...but the fact of your ability to solve a three move problem is not conclusive as to its unfitness for publication."> (November 6, 1852) <"Your four move problem can be solved in two. As regards No. 201, notwithstanding your extreme confidence you are in error; it not being "soluble" (without the aid of nitric acid) in less than the stipulated number of moves. In the game of Chess, you should always look at least one move deep."> |
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Jan-16-13 | | thomastonk: In the "New York Spirit of the Times" on May 24th, 1845 he gives the number of wins in the three matches with John William Schulten:
11:5, 11:9 and 15:13, each time in Stanley's favour. |
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Jan-16-13 | | thomastonk: In the "New York Spirit of the Times" on October 11, 1845 Stanley reports on a match with Schulten which is "now in course", and hence both played even a fourth match! There is no result of this match published until Stanley leaves NY for New Orleans, where he played the well-known match with Eugene Rousseau. But Stanley must have won it, too, because he calls himself the strongest player in the North, when he played Rousseau. |
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Jan-16-13
 | | jnpope: The fourth match was temporarily halted so Stanley could play Rousseau. When Stanley returned to New York the match was resumed: <The following games were contested at the N. Y. Chess Club, on Monday evening, in continuation of a match which has been for some time pending, and has at length terminated in Mr. Schulten's favor. The result of a total number of twenty-two games played, is as follows:-Won by Mr. Schulten . . . 11
Won by Mr. Stanley . . . 7
Drawn games . . . 4
Total number of games played . . . 22
We have much pleasure in congratulating Mr. Schulten on the achievement of his victory, which, indeed, his great skill and untiring perseverance have well merited.> source: New York Spirit of the Times 1846.03.28 |
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Jan-16-13
 | | jnpope: From the bio above:
<In 1948, the New York Albion published his chess column until 1856, & it was not until 1866 when George Henry Mackenzie revived the column a decade later (3).> Ok, who writes this stuff? The column ran continuously. I haven't gotten around to posting the decade of Perrin and Young columns because 99.9% of them are just problems, no news, no games... so I gave those a lower priority in getting them scanned and uploaded to the Chess Archaeology website. |
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Jan-16-13
 | | Phony Benoni: <jnpope> Apparently, the biographer assumed that the gap at Chess Archaeology was due to the column being discontinued. Thanks for the information. I've made a change to that part, but haven't examined the rest of the bio carefully. |
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Jan-16-13
 | | jnpope: <Phony Benoni> Thanks. Small things like that drive me nuts. |
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Jan-17-13 | | thomastonk: <jnpope> Thank you very much for the results of the fourth Schulten match! The columns of 1846 I will read only today ... This lost match is quite remarkable, I think, because Stanley just won the title of the U.S. chess champion. Moreover, Schulten's results in these four matches have a clear upward tendency! |
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Sep-29-13
 | | offramp: One thousand ante-bellum dollars. That's a whole heap of mazoolah. |
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Sep-30-13
 | | offramp: In fact I had a look at http://www.measuringworth.com/uscom...
and it gives the following answer:
<In 2012, the relative value of $1,000.00 from 1846 ranges from $23,300.00 to $7,870,000.00.>So it is easy to see that the Stanley-Rousseau match, with a prize fund of just under $8,000,000.00, is the sporting event with the highest prize fund in the history of the entire world. Magnus Carlsen would weep into his Rakfisk if he ever found that out! |
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Aug-29-14 | | BIDMONFA: Charles Henry Stanley STANLEY, Charles
http://www.bidmonfa.com/stanley_cha...
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Jul-25-15 | | Ke2: ^you should ask floyd mayweather about that |
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Aug-19-17
 | | offramp: ^ Some people do this thing called adjusting for inflation. Sometimes people see adverts in old newspapers, where brand new cars cost $300. Some people say, "Wow! Why didn't people back then buy a new car every week!" In fact there are sound economic reasons why people did, in general, <not> buy a new car every week. |
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Aug-19-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: <offramp>
Hmmm.. logically spoken there should have to be no inflation in times of gr... peace. |
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Jul-25-21 | | Nosnibor: He did well to live to 82 years of age bearing in mind he was an alcoholic for the last twenty years of his life. Very sad to note in view of his achievements in chess and journalism. |
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Jul-25-21
 | | MissScarlett: I think it more accurate to congratulate him on surviving the sixty odd years before he was committed. Journalism and diplomacy are two fields sodden with drink. |
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Jul-29-21
 | | MissScarlett: I've recently turned to Stanley's biography with special regard to the following questions: i) what evidence is there that he was born in Brighton? ii) when did he emigrate to America?
iii) what's the source of the story about Morphy sending the match winnings to Mrs Stanley? iv) likewise, the naming of Pauline?
v) why did he return to England (minus family) between 1860 and 1862? vi) when/why was he first institutionalised? |
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Jul-29-21
 | | MissScarlett: Not unexpectedly, getting nowhere in particular, I remembered that I ought to check edochess ... <Although Stanley moved to New York around 1842, problems by 'C. Stanley, of Brighton' were appearing in the Illustrated London News (e.g. 27 Sept. 1845, p.208), and the Chess Player's Chronicle (e.g. Sept. 1845, p.257) in 1845. This was, however, a different Charles Stanley (see Townsend, pp.93-94).> http://www.edochess.ca/players/p24....
Hold your horses, I have that Townsend book.... |
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Aug-09-21
 | | MissScarlett: <But gradually, some answers also began to emerge along with Gaige’s skill as a researcher which he acquired largely by trial and error. His approach was described in the appendix of his Catalog of USA Chess Personalia. A case in point: By all accounts (such as A Sketchbook of American Chess Problemists, Vol. I , page 6), Charles Henry Stanley died in New York City on 16 March 1894. Gaige’s increasingly systematized research found that was the approximate date of death in England of a Henry Stanley, not of Charles Henry Stanley. A painstaking search through New York City’s records of death showed that Stanley did not die there before 1900. Examination of the 1900 US Census Report showed an 80-year-old Charles H. Stanley living in New York City at the time. From there, it was simple enough to find the date of death but not, unfortunately, the exact date of birth. (A full account is given in the BCM, 1982, pages 364-367.)> https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... |
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Aug-09-21
 | | MissScarlett: <C.N. 6563. Staunton v Stanley match Rod Edwards (Victoria, BC, Canada) writes:
‘The record of Howard Staunton’s matches given on pages 129-130 of your 1981 book World Chess Champions shows the result of his match with Charles Henry Stanley at the odds of pawn and two moves as +2 –3 =1, and the year is given as 1841. The Oxford Companion to Chess (first edition, page 324; second edition, page 389) concurs on the result and the year. Feenstra Kuiper’s Hundert Jahre Schachzweikämpfe (page 12), Golombek’s Encyclopedia (pages 307 and 456 of the hardback and paperback editions respectively) and Chess Results, 1747-1900 by Di Felice (page 3) all have the same result but give the year as 1839. Fiske’s New York, 1857 tournament book (page 406) states that the match was played not long before Stanley’s departure for the United States (which he says was in 1842), and that Stanley won “by a large majority”. However, in the 1842 volume of the Chess Player’s Chronicle (page 368) Staunton wrote: “Messrs St--n and S--y have played in all but 12 games, exclusive of drawn ones, at the odds of ‘the pawn and two moves’. Of these 12, Mr S--y won seven, and Mr St--n five.” I wonder where the +2 –3 =1 result comes from originally, and how it can be reconciled with Staunton’s claim in the Chess Player’s Chronicle. World Chess Champions indicates (page 130) that in cases where the final scores were not known the match results given “are those of surviving games”. Presumably, this does not apply to the Staunton-Stanley match, since I count eight game-scores in volume two of the Chess Player’s Chronicle (pages 117-118, 200, 211-212, 213, 226-228, 241-242, 293-294 and 324-325), amounting to +3 –4 =1 for Staunton. I wonder whether all these games were considered part of the formal match.’ The Staunton biography and results tables in World Chess Champions were by R.N. Coles. The only addition that we can offer at present is that an account of Stanley’s life on pages 364-367 of the August 1982 BCM (following research by Jeremy Gaige) stated that Staunton was defeated +2 –3 =1 and that the contest took place in December 1841.> I have some <BCM> volumes from around that time but not 1982. Where's <Miss Sally> when you need her? |
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