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|May-09-13|| ||Graham1973: The correct date is 1879.04.15. I've also taken the step of submitting an updated pgn file via the correction process. I left out the annotations as no author is given.|
|May-09-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <Graham1973> I've changed the date, but I did a little further checking trying to track down the annotations and found some conflicts in the date. The Newark Sunday Call for April 20, 1879, puts the exhibition on Wednesday, April 16:|
The New York Sun for Sunday, April 13, also puts the performance on Wednesday.
(Under the headline "Footlight Flashes".)
|May-09-13|| ||Graham1973: I think you may be right, I just used a calendar program and the 15th of April is a Tuesday. I based my date on the Globe-Herald article which gave the date as "...Wednesday evening, 15th ultimo...".|
Apparently the game was also covered by the New York Herald, but the issues on the Chess Archeology site only go as far back as 1889.
|May-09-13|| ||Graham1973: <Phony Benoni>When the fully updated version is uploaded, it might be best to change the date to 1879.04.16.|
|May-09-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <Graham1973> I've made the date change. The Gametype should be changed to "Exhibition" as well.|
Another site for searching the old New York papers is http://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
The searching interface is hard to get used to, but at least there is one. Here's the relevant pages from New York Herald for April 15 and April 16 (PDF files):
And here is the problem mentioned, "Atalanta, the fleet-footed queen" by Eugene B. Cook:
click for larger view
White mates in 11: <1.Bd4+ Kxd4 2.Qg7+ Qe5 3.Qxa7+ Ke4 4.Qe3+ Kf5 5.Qg5+ Ke4 6.f3+ Kd4 7.Qg1+ Qe3 8.Qg7+ Kc5 9.Qc7+ Kd4 10.Qb6+ Ke5 11.Qf6#>
|May-09-13|| ||Graham1973: <Phony Benoni> Thanks.|
|May-10-13|| ||Graham1973: <Phony Benoni>I've added a better summary of the event to the Mackenzie-Delmar 1879 page.|
Mackenzie vs E Delmar, 1879
|May-12-13|| ||Graham1973: I've found another Mackenzie-Delmar exhibition match with living chess pieces (Drawn) in the Hartford Weekly Times of 15/03/1883.|
Not sure whether to upload or not although the score was also given in the St Louis Globe-Democrat in the edition of the 25/03/1883.
|May-12-13|| ||Graham1973: Thought I'd try transcribing the results from the 1883 Mackenzie-Delamar Exhibition match and found a discrepancy in the scores between the two accounts I've uncovered so far.|
The discrepancy in the endgame moves is as follows.
(St Louis Globe-Democrat)
1. P-K4 P-K4
2. P-Q4 PxP
3. QxP QKt-B3
4. Q-K3 B-Kt5
5. B-Q2 Q-B3
6. QKt-B3 Kt-Q5
7. O-O Kt-K2
8. Qkt-Q5 KtxKt
9. P-Kt B-K2
10. B-B3 Kt-B4
11. Q-K Q-Kt4
12. K-Kt O-O
13. Kt-KB3 Q-R4
14. P-KKt4 QxP
15. R-Kt QxKt
16. B-Kt2 Q-R
17. B-B3 QxB
18. R-Q3 Q-B5
19. QxB KtxQ
20. RxP K-R
21. RxBP K-Kt
22. R-Kt7 K-R
23. R-R3 P-KR3
24. R-Kt6 K-R2
25. R-Kt7 K-R
26. R-Kt6 Drawn.
(Hartford Weekly Times)
19. QxB KtxQ
20. RxP K-R
21. R-Kt7 K-Kt
22. R-KR3 P-KR3
23. R-KKt6 K-K2
24. R-KKt7 K-Kt
...and drawn in two moves.
|May-13-13|| ||Graham1973: Several games by Mackenzie from the 1860s can be found in this online article.|
|May-17-13|| ||thomastonk: From his cg biography: "In 1883, he lost a match to Wilhelm Steinitz in New York (+1-3=2)."|
From the BCM, 1883, p. 105: "The program included a series of six game (not to be called a match) with Captain Mackenzie - score at finish, Steinitz 3 ; Mackenzie 1 ; drawn 2 - (the prizes being 15 dols. per game to the winner, 5 dols. to the loser),...".
|May-17-13|| ||TheFocus: <thomastonk> Here is that match.|
Game Collection: 1883 Steinitz - Mackenzie Match
|May-17-13|| ||thomastonk: <TheFocus> Thanks. Maybe I have to learn something here.|
My intention was to emphasize that in 1883 there has been a distinction between a match and a series of games. That's the way I interpret "(not to be called a match)". If I am wrong here, I would like to know that, of course.
Regarding this 6 games, I found also American newspapers that spoke only about a series of games. The program, to which the BCM refers, was that of Steinitz' engagement at the Manhattan Chess Club, which lasted 10 days and included blindfold and simultaneous exhibitions as well as other individual games. The general description of the conditions of such an engagement were described in the "Cleveland Herald", March 25, 1883: "The terms demanded by Herr Steinitz, the chess champion, are $200 for an engagement, and, in addition, the winner of each game the champion plays shall receive $15 and the loser $5. The St.Louis Chess Club voted a visit from Mr Steinitz too expensive a luxury, and his offer has been declined." That is the complete text there.
|May-17-13|| ||TheFocus: <thomas> Not having seen your sources, I took it to be a match from Steinit's bio. That is how it was listed. Forgot who the compiler was. That bio is at home.|
I would list it as a series. I will add your sources to my collection.
|May-17-13|| ||TheFocus: <thomastonk> Thank you for that clarification. I added the following to my collection:|
<thomastonk> pointed out that these games may not be considered a match: From the BCM, 1883, p. 105: <"The program included a series of six game (not to be called a match) with Captain Mackenzie - score at finish, Steinitz 3 ; Mackenzie 1 ; drawn 2 - (the prizes being 15 dols. per game to the winner, 5 dols. to the loser).>
<thomastonk> adds: Regarding this 6 games, I found also American newspapers that spoke only about a series of games. The program, to which the BCM refers, was that of Steinitz' engagement at the Manhattan Chess Club, which lasted 10 days and included blindfold and simultaneous exhibitions as well as other individual games. The general description of the conditions of such an engagement were described in the "Cleveland Herald", March 25, 1883: "The terms demanded by Herr Steinitz, the chess champion, are $200 for an engagement, and, in addition, the winner of each game the champion plays shall receive $15 and the loser $5. The St.Louis Chess Club voted a visit from Mr Steinitz too expensive a luxury, and his offer has been declined."
|May-18-13|| ||Graham1973: I've found an 1878 game between Mackenzie and Ware with extensive notations by Steinitz at the Jack O'Keefe project.|
Does anyone think this one might be worthy of inclusion?
|May-08-14|| ||ljfyffe: MONTREAL SIMUL 1879 Mackenzie-Hicks, Msckenzie-Shaw, Shaw-Mackenzie: Mackenzie visitait Montreal par Larry Fyffe, AU NOM DU ROI
Pp. 267-268. (Toronto Globe du fevrier 1879).|
|May-14-14|| ||ljfyffe: Mackenzie-Hicks Montreal 1879 1e4 e5 2d4 d5 3Nc3 Bb4 4Bd3 Ne7 5Nf3 0-0 6e5 Ng6 70-0 Bxc3 8bxc3 b6 9Bg5 Qd8 10h4 Nh8 11Bf6 g6 12Ng5 Nd7 13Qh5 Nxf6 14exf6 1-0|
|Jun-10-14|| ||ljfyffe: Also, played: Mackenzie-John Barry of Montreal, 1879, not to be confused with the more famous John F. Barry.|
|Jul-13-14|| ||wwall: Did Mackenzie die of TB or from something else? The Scranton Republican, April 28, 1891, reported that Dr. S.B. Minden expressed the opinion that Captain Mackenzie died of morphine taken accidentally or with suicidal threats.|
|Jul-13-14|| ||zanzibar: A nice, large, 600dpi photograph of him:
|Jul-13-14|| ||zanzibar: <wwall> Winter discusses this, CN #7772|
(Scroll down two items)
|Jul-13-14|| ||zanzibar: So, the suggestion of suicide is unclear.
I would suggest it not be made here, but a link to Winter's discussion certainly could be added.
|Jul-13-14|| ||zanzibar: By the way, BCM vol 11 May, 1891 (p225, 244-248) gives this:|
<The news of poor Capt. Mackenzie's death caused a very painful impression in chess circles here, not that it was altogether unexpected, but as recent news spoke of him as being considerably improved in health, people had begun to think he might be spared for some few years. What a fine genial fellow he was, and how everyone admired and respected him.
Mackenzie was found dead in his room at a New York hotel on the 14th of April, the immediate cause of death being <heart disease>[ed-!]>
So, much as we like to put store in contemporaneous sources, they too can be misleading (maybe even more so, in some cases).
|Jul-25-14|| ||ljfyffe: <zanzibar> As a researcher in chess history, l can attest to the accuracy of your comment on "contemporaneous sources".|
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