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Mar-03-09 | | Dredge Rivers: Have a happy Lawrence Day! :) |
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Mar-04-09 | | James Demery: I`ve had my doubts about this book IM Day. Do you think its real? |
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Mar-04-09 | | James Demery: Nice pic of you with your beloved ducks by the way!! |
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Mar-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: I would advise Mr. Day to decide right now, at the start, if he wishes for his page to become the site for the latest round of attacks and counterattacks concerning this book, which after all is not available to the general public through any traditional channel. It has gotten ugly on other pages (I'm not innocent, though far from the worst), and I think Mr. Day should decide right now if he wants a long series of inflammatory posts between hackmate and others on this page. (I made a comment about the Toronto Star column above, but deleted it.) |
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Mar-04-09 | | timhortons: Thats a lot of ducks in youre picture IM day, as a little boy i had fond memories of ducks. I grow up in a farm in the philippines, we raised native ducks chickens and turkeys, i remember exchanging the the layed eggs of a duck with the layed egg of a chicken vice versa , they incubate the egg for around 30 day after which the egg get hatched. The result of my bad joke is that chicken got ducklings instead of a chick and the duck get chicks instead of duckling,I remember the mother hen wait in the dry land if its time for the ducklings to swim and she really take care of the ducklings as her own.My father who later know what i did scold me and rescued the chicks from the duck before they cruhsed them with her wait. One thing ive noticed is that the hen did take care of the ducklings as her chicks and the duck like wise did take care of the chicks as her ducklings. |
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Mar-04-09
 | | chancho: <I Found this in the Chesstalk site:
<From: Yasser Seirawan>
<Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:04 AM>
<To: 'Edward Labate'; ‘Malcolm Pein’; 'Jeremy Silman'; ‘John Donaldson’>
<Cc: ‘John Watson’; 'Anthony Saidy'>
<Subject: RE: Need a little help here? Do you gentleman believe that> <Bobby Fischer wrote My 61 Memorable Games??? Why or Why not???> <Dear Edward,>
<No. I do not believe that RJF was the author of “My 61 Memorable Games.”> <My reasons are several-fold. When I met RJF in 1992 during the Sveti Stephan match I got the distinct impression that RJF built walls around himself. That is he was very distrustful of others. He most definitely feared that folks would take advantage of his fame and status. We spoke about his project to write a book about how the K-K matches were all fixed. That every move of every game was scripted in advance. Of course RJF explained that he would have to be author and publisher as well. In short, he certainly would not hand over his manuscript to others.> <Secondly, over the past few years, RJF has explained about his disenchantment with chess and he wanted to promote Fischer Random only. A work that did not promote his variant would be at odds with his stated goal of advancing Fischer Random.> <Lastly, if there was a standard publisher/author agreement, the publisher would have come forth and trumpeted the fact that such an agreement was signed, that monies had been advanced, that checks had been cashed and so forth. Such facts are missing in this case.> <Best,>
<Yasser> |
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Mar-04-09
 | | chancho: That's a lot of Mallard Ducks. |
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Mar-04-09
 | | IMlday: In the 'caveat lector' sense I definitely think Fischer wrote it. It has his distinctive blend of anthropophobia and egomania. For example to try to write the world's longest annotation, over 50 moves with only a few branches, or the world's broadest note with so many branches that the Phoenecian alphabet is used up and recourse must be made to a few Greek letters, who but Fischer could combine such goofiness of form with
brilliance of content?
In the 'caveat emptor' sense this copy is clearly marked "second printing" so it's not the edition making the Maltese Falcon style fuss. I don't know if it was printed when Larry Evans theorized that it may only exist on a computer. It doesn't matter much. This copy is real enough. While I agree with Yaz that Fischer wouldn't want to hand over his manuscript to others, nevertheless
he'd need layout somehow wouldn't he?
The Humber mallard flock increased by about a dozen this year. There's also a few pairs of browns and when the river froze upstream new visitors included a pair of divers which did not mingle. At the peak there were about 112. The Spring melt came early in mid-February and I was lucky to witness the flash flood up close. Ducks flew in from upstream squacking a warning and the flock took off south. About 30 seconds later came thick fog and coming downstream a wall of piled up ice shelves, megatons of it, flooding the banks a foot per minute and making a loud rumbling noise. It took a few minutes to pass by; literally awesome! |
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Mar-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: Mr. Day: I think this book is printed via the "books by demand" system, where it's possible to print just a few (or even one) at a time, at a higher unit cost, of course. And each small printing can be personalized. |
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Mar-04-09 | | Riverbeast: Mr. Day, are you aware that Fischer denied EVER playing internet chess ? I forgot who asked him, but after Nigel Short thought he had lost a bunch of games to Fischer on ICC or playchess, someone asked Bobby if it was him. He said it wasn't him, and when asked if he ever played on the net, he said "Never" Also, don't you think this book would have been mentioned on Fischer's website, if he had written it? According to Fischer's friends in Iceland, Fischer was very upset when he heard people were trying to peddle this book while he was on his DEATHBED. My sincerest wish is that Ms. Watai, or one of Fischer's Icelandic friends who were with him during his last days, would come forward and denounce this book once and for all |
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Mar-04-09 | | timhortons: I just bought a book bobby fischer the wandering king by bohm and jongkind Bobby fischer denied the claims of nigel short that he played with him at icc, i think shorts claim was already busted at krabbes site so fischer is making sense in saying he is not playing chess online. Short encounter a cheater at icc and he blamed fischer for it. |
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Mar-04-09 | | mack: <At the peak there were about 112> Mega jealous. |
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Mar-04-09
 | | IMlday: There is an editors' note mentioning they have five unpublished internet games but not vs Short whom Fischer denied playing. |
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Mar-04-09 | | Riverbeast: Mr. Day, I wish you hadn't given this obvious fraud of a book credence in your article...I'm sure you had honest intentions and thought the book may have been real, but all it took was a reasonable amount of background research to realize that it's not.... Whether you intended it or not, you may have motivated many uninitiated and unaware people to buy this book....and put money into the hands of scam artists. I believe as a journalist you have a responsibility to seek the truth |
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Mar-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: RB: But it seems you have to be super-motivated to buy a book, it's like a treasure hunt to find one. I wonder if you have to know a secret password. |
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Mar-04-09 | | hackmate: I think an International Master who made his IM the same year Fischer won the World Championship and who has represented his country in 13 Olympiads knows a little bit more than most about being able to recognize Fischer's handiwork. As so many of you doubters have put it-
"Nuff said." |
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Mar-04-09 | | Riverbeast: <Jim Bartle> Yeah, it probably gets sent to your house in a plain brown wrapper with no return address.... Or you have to meet a masked man in a 'diner'
<I think an International Master who made his IM the same year Fischer won the World Championship and who has represented his country in 13 Olympiads knows a little bit more than most about being able to recognize Fischer's handiwork> Does he know more than the people who actually MET Fischer or knew him intimately, like Yasser Seirawan and Larry Evans....Who publicly denounced the book as a hoax? We can recognize Trice's handiwork in that b.s. excerpt of "Fischer's", as well as your own posts, <hackmate> "Nuff said"
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Mar-04-09
 | | chancho: Notice how <hackey> uses Day's chessic accomplishments as if that makes his opinion an all infallible one. Well, he makes mistakes just like the rest of us. And Seirawan (he met Fischer) who is a Grandmaster, Silman, and Saidy who are IM's, don't think Fischer wrote the book. And as far as reading some of those excerpts from the book here, I don't think Fischer wrote them. |
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Mar-04-09 | | blacksburg: Mr. Day,
if you think that this book is real, you probably haven't read this. http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice... |
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Mar-04-09 | | JonDSouzaEva: Mr Day, were you responsible for the Fischer press conference story in the "London Free Press"?
(see http://london.craigslist.co.uk/bks/...). |
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Mar-04-09
 | | IMlday: Let's not compare apples and oranges. Speculations regarding the likelihood of forgery made before examining the document itself will of necessity be less likely to be correct than those speculations regarding its authenticity made after having read the document.
Aside from that I did meet Fischer in 1968. However, from the Preface:
"...I know many readers seek answers to probing questions regarding the Bobby Fischer of 1972. That person no longer exists..." so it doesn't really matter. Botvinnik had written in his collection that the reason a player published his games was so he could get criticized and corrected by his peers. I think Fischer took him at his word and M60MG was the product. After he'd absorbed all his critics points he could see what he'd been doing wrong and correct it. It was like free lessons from the world's best. So he had the big quantum jump in 1970-72 and played way better than anyone else. Neat trick eh! I read over all the info available on the net before I wrote the review. That UK link didn't work but I don't know anything about it anyway. Here is a real thick book existing in three dimensional space. The book is real. The author is given as Bobby Fischer. There is a theory that the work is forged. I read the book with that in mind but found the theory unlikely for a great many reasons, most pointedly that the book was just too good. Since
no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous, no doubt the thing will eventually be on the web and you will be able to make an informed decision. |
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Mar-04-09 | | Ed Trice: My email address is GothicChessInfo@aol.com for anyone who has the guts to come out from behind the shadows and back up what they say on here. Ed Labate never paid me any money for anything.
Bobby Fischer died hating Ed Labate for something he had written about Fischer years prior. Labate knows it, I know it. Everything else on his site is a reaction against knowing Bobby Fischer himself closed the door on Ed Labate. |
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Mar-04-09 | | timhortons: <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous, no doubt the thing will eventually be on the web and you will be able to make an informed decision> Do you think fischer in his good sense well agree to these? The man youre referrin who live in iceland and made these book suffered from chronic renal failure and refused treatment, how could he accomplished the task of making these book? |
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Mar-04-09
 | | chancho: Trice has been in run ins with various people from what I've heard.
It's a well known fact that Trice mentioned the book in chessgames.com early on, and said he helped Fischer find a printer for the book, but later, all hell breaks loose when he accuses Ed Labate of being behind the book scam. He gets sued by Labate, who showed e-mails written by Frank Cammareta, and Cathy Purdy confirming that Trice talked about the book with them. According to Dan Heisman, Trice showed the book manuscript. Trice even showed up at the World Open wearing a t-shirt with a picture of the book cover. Trice knew that Fischer was ill before it became public knowledge, and he left a hidden message in one of his posts here in chessgames.com that he later revealed. And one has to wonder: if Labate's lawsuit has no real legal basis, then why hasn't Trice countersued Labate for all the stuff written in that website? |
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Mar-04-09
 | | Joshka: <Ed Trice> I of course know it as well, Labate told me. He of course also told me he was very sorry for what he did, but that's besides the point. |
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