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| Mar-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: There are so many possibilities here: all Fischer, no Fischer (forgery), started by Fischer and finished by others, a collaborative effort from the start... The truth will have to come out at some point. If Fischer wrote it, there will be proof. If it's a forgery, that cannot be hidden forever. If Fischer worked on it but lost or ceded control at some point due to illness or any other reason, we will know. What I really would like to understand is why it has been published as a bootleg. Not available at bookstores or online, no publisher listed, etc. Why does it cost hundreds of dollars (and highly negotiable at that) when a paperback that size should cost no more than $50, even if the print run is as low as 1000? If it's due to copyright ownership problems, or existing contracts Fischer had with a publisher, I'd like to know the details. |
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Mar-04-09
 | | chancho: <timHorton The man youre referrin who live in iceland and made these book suffered from chronic renal failure and refused treatment,> The guy was suffering strong symptoms from his kidney ailments and as soon as he lands in Iceland he decides to rewrite his classic book and does it in less than 2 years. Meanwhile, no one who was close to Fischer has acknowledged Fischer writing it. But the truth will come out sooner or later, and if it was indeed written by Fischer, well great.
But if not, that too will come out for certain. |
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| Mar-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: Did Fischer ever (and I mean going back to the 70s) talk about writing a MSMG 2, or "Road to the WC"? |
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Mar-04-09
| | chancho: <Jim> Seirawan spoke with him back in 92, and if Fischer had said he was interested in rewriting it, Yasser would have said as much in a NY minute. But according to Yasser, Fischer was interested in exposing prearranged games and writting a book about that. Fischer mostly played Fischer Random,iirc. |
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Mar-04-09
 | | Joshka: <Chancho> That meansnothing, heck 1992!!...LOLOL....that's like saying Oh, Bobby could not have fathered a child in 2001, cause if he was thinking about it he would have told Seirawin back in 1992...LOL...heck Bobby's venom about My 60 didn't reallysurface until 1996! |
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Mar-04-09
| | chancho: <Joshka> And here I thought I was on your ignore list. |
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| Mar-04-09 | | Jim Bartle: Joshka, chancho was just answering my question (three posts above). He wasn't claiming it was relevant to "61." And I wasn't clear referring to "MSMG 2." I meant a game collection of 69-72, not a rewrite of MSMG. |
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| Mar-05-09 | | Riverbeast: <Here is a real thick book existing in three dimensional space. The book is real. The author is given as Bobby Fischer> Mr. Day, I have an unknown book written by Capablanca. A real gem. It exists in three dimensional space, and it has his name on the cover. So it must be real! Please give it a review in your article and tell everyone it's real, so they'll buy it! <There is a theory that the work is forged. I read the book with that in mind but found the theory unlikely for a great many reasons, most pointedly that the book was just too good> You think that drivel is good, huh?
And you REALLY thought that was Fischer's writing style? <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous> This doesn't bother you at all?
How did you get the book, Mr. Day? Did you meet the person who gave it to you? Was there a name or return address from the mailer? Either you're extremely gullible, or something's rotten in Denmark |
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| Mar-05-09 | | timhortons: <There is an editors' note mentioning they have five unpublished internet games but not vs Short whom Fischer denied playing.> Post the game here mr day since you are now the advocate of these book.Maybe we can hear icc side after or playchess.com side after you post that game,btw in what blitz site did the match happen? Tim krabbe busted the nigel short account with out asking the opinion of fischer,and fischer is denying of playing chess in the internet, the man is promoting fischer random chess and not standard chess. <A former world champion who had a long lay off in chess all of a sudden resurrect himself in the internet and kick ass of everybody?> or maybe what you talkin that fischer game is ed trice claims of playing fischer in the internet with his trice variant. |
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| Mar-05-09 | | blacksburg: <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous> <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous> <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous> |
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| Mar-06-09 | | hackmate: <chanco - Trice knew that Fischer was ill before it became public knowledge> How did he know before anyone else?
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| Mar-06-09 | | hackmate: <chanco - The guy was suffering strong symptoms from his kidney ailments and as soon as he lands in Iceland he decides to rewrite his classic book and does it in less than 2 years.> Fischer didn't play any chess from 1972-1975. What do you think he was doing all that time? He was preparing for his World Championship title defense, probably going over all of his games and making many notes. On pages 127 and 128 of My 61 Memorable Games this is supported - <In 1968 I again began probing the depths of the variations springing forth from 19. Nf5 and eventually I filled pages and pages with notes. I had to chop off much of this when it came time to get it to press because it generated a nearly endless list.
So, in My 60 Memorable Games, I deliberately made the dismissive remark: “Weird complications result from the key line 19. Nf5!” and I only offered two short pieces of analysis. Since my editor friends gave me free reign with no constraints on the final size of this book, I decided to state my true sentiments with all of my remaining energy.- - -
(Editor note: While these games go in chronalogical order based on when they were played, Bobby visits the games in a hodgepodge fashion as we prepare to republish the book. His comments and earlier zeal are from before his recent kidney illness. This is the last game he is actually annotating before the anticipated Chritmas 2007 release of this book just over a month away. I’m sad to say, some of his handwritten notes we could not decipher nor has he expressed the desire to look at them now, and some of that which we could read contained ambiguous moves. What remains below are from about 2 full pages of scrawlings.> |
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| Mar-06-09 | | Jim Bartle: Curious to see that the words "rein," "chronological," and "Christmas" are misspelled in the section cited above. Impossible to know if they are in the original or are errors of transcription. "This is the last game he is actually annotating before the anticipated Chritmas 2007 release of this book just over a month away." This is possible, but would be very unusual in publishing. Publishing a book, even after the manuscript is complete, is time-consuming. Hard to imagine that competent editors and/or publishers would expect to get a book out to the public only one month after the text is handed in. |
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Mar-06-09
| | chancho: <Fischer didn't play any chess from 1972-1975. What do you think he was doing all that time? He was preparing for his World Championship title defense, probably going over all of his games and making many notes. On pages 127 and 128 of My 61 Memorable Games this is supported -> Pure speculation. The evidence that the book was written by Fischer is not yet sufficiently established as a fact. And while I respect IM Day, his opinion of who wrote it, is not enough to convince me. |
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Mar-06-09
 | | keypusher: <Jim Bartle:
And I wasn't clear referring to "MSMG 2." I meant a game collection of 69-72, not a rewrite of MSMG.> Definitely #1 on my list of greatest chess books never written. I never gave up hope that he would write it until the day he died. |
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Mar-06-09
| | chancho: The debacle of Joshka's post of the Craiglist UK of M61MG with the mention of the Day article, and the newspaper showing Fischer holding the book, (which was shown to be fake) should make people take notice. If the damned book is so authentic, why go to the trouble of using deception to convince people of it's authenticity? |
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| Mar-06-09 | | Petrosianic: <Fischer didn't play any chess from 1972-1975. What do you think he was doing all that time? He was preparing for his World Championship title defense> <chancho> <Pure speculation> Not only speculation, but it goes against the few facts we do have. Check out Harold Schonberg's 1973 article in the NY Times, entitled <Fischer's Friends Fear He'll Never Play Chess Again>. I don't have the date off the top of my head, but I have a complete copy at home. Its upshot is that Fischer's friends were afraid even this early that this absence from the game was going to be permanent, and that he seemed to have made a clean break with the game. They said that on previous occasions when Bobby had been away, he had still been familiar with the latest wrinkles in the openings and had played over all games from recent tournaments. However, this time they found him to be completely unfamiliar with recently played games. There's room for doubt, of course. The unnamed friends who said this were... well, unnamed, of course. But there's certainly no evidence for the idea that he did do substantial work during this time, other than the evidence of how he had behaved during previous absences. But those times he always came back, didn't he? |
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| Mar-06-09 | | mack: I want to hear more about the ducks, personally. |
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| Mar-06-09 | | blacksburg: just so everyone is clear about this....<Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous> |
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| Mar-06-09 | | timhortons: <mack> if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck. <Since no copyright is claimed, no publisher listed and the editors anonymous- i dont know how these quack> |
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| Mar-06-09 | | timhortons: IM day how much canadian dollar it cost you to buy these book?If you believe these is real why dont you facilitate the selling of these book to our very own boutique strategy so the canadian public can gain valuable info and chess knowledge on it? I think thats better other some people peddling it in fischers page. Youre influence could faciliate these im sure.
Its just a suggestion IM day, so everything could be legitimize, the hiers of fischer estate could gain some money on it, the publisher and writer as well could get back what they invest on it and the canadian government could earn taxes on it. |
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Mar-06-09
 | | Open Defence: <if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck.> its probably a platypus |
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| Mar-06-09 | | rouse: hello.. |
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| Mar-07-09 | | ILikeFruits: hello... |
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Mar-07-09
 | | IMlday: I got up yesterday and my mail box was full. When I checked out cg there was Riverbeast's post with six hostile questions. It wasn't quite as rude as Emperor Valerian's minions grilling San Lorenzo for their grail quest, but nevertheless I was tempted to respond in Latin: Assum est inquit versa et manduca. Then I remembered I don't speak Latin so I went down to the river to discuss it with the ducks. They don't speak Latin either but it's always nice to clear the mind and toss out all those old out-dated preconceptions, a veritable reboot and consequent repriortization. Like the movie Watchmen was opening day, I couldn't miss that historic moment. It proved even better than I'd expected and at one point had Dr. Manhattan, the uber superhero, overdosed on celebrity and earthling commotion, declaring "Leave me alone". Those words rang a bell: Bobby's last comment to the journalists after his Reykjavik arrival.
The burdens of superheros, so it goes. Dr. Manhatten has Mars for retreat. Superman had his "Fortress of Solitude". Bobby had Iceland as getaway.
Akiba Rubinstein had that anthropophobia thing as well in his later years. Howard Hughes famously.
Curious it is how myth and history intertwine. |
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