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| Mar-07-09 | | ughaibu: Another vacuous post. You're a naive guy, and that's your problem only. |
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Mar-07-09
 | | keypusher: <ughaibu> I think 61MG is a crock of you-know-what. But Mr. Day is one of cg.com's treasures. (As are you, in fact). Respect the man. |
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| Mar-07-09 | | hackmate: <chanco - Trice knew that Fischer was ill before it became public knowledge> How did he know before anyone else?
Still no answer chanco? |
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Mar-08-09
 | | chancho: Trice posted a hidden message about Fischer's condition on Nov 9, 2007. How did he come to know about it before anyone else here? Maybe he got wind of Fischer's severe kidney trouble when the story broke out in Iceland and some contact he met there (on his previous trip when he tried to set up the Fischer vs Karpov Gothic chess match) sent him an e-mail. |
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Mar-08-09
 | | IMlday: Nov. 9, 2007 is also the date on the Preface suggesting signing off on the book before entering the hospital. So, email might explain that, but how did he get the current photograph? Or the copy of Fischer's lawyer's correspondence with the gnomes?
Or the analysis Fischer claims he did while in the Japanese jail (referenced as Fischer vs The Rats 2004:)
And why did he go on about the donkey at Sousse? Wouldn't a forger want to avoid detection? Why mention it at all? If the object was to make money then why not claim copyright to some numbered company? Running a really complex scam while giving away the end product doesn't seem to make sense to me. But preemptive PR from UBS would be quite logical as they disliked attention drawn to them.
You suspicious guys would make poor conspiracy theorists. Why in the world would Fischer feel the slightest bit motivated to tell truth to the media? When he told the absolute truth about
Pasadena they weren't slightly interested. All media's "unnamed sources" back then claiming to be close friends of Fischer weren't, else they wouldn't have been talking. And Fischer was quite capable of telling different things to different people to see what leaked, a plumber tactic old as Nixon.
Fischer's closest friends wouldn't talk until after he was dead, if then. |
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Mar-08-09
| | chancho: <Or the analysis Fischer claims he did while in the Japanese jail (referenced as Fischer vs The Rats 2004:)> Fischer was complaining about the food, the constant noise, was in distress about the possibility of being deported to the USA, was feeling the effects of kidney disease, and still with all that, he did a Mikhail Botvinnik, and managed to work with analysis while in that Japanese detention center? Really? |
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Mar-08-09
| | chancho: <IMDAY> You know how the Paparazzi stalk celebrities. They can shoot a close up from a distance of a movie star eating in a restaurant with utter ease. I remember back in the 90's seeing Richard Simmons in the same hotel where there was a chess tournament going on, when he was approached by three people which he began conversing with. It would have been so easy to zoom in and take a photo of him. |
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| Mar-08-09 | | Jim Bartle: IMlday: "Running a really complex scam while giving away the end product doesn't seem to make sense to me." That's a key point. Very perplexing.
On another subject, whatever sins Trice may not have committed, he should be given a pass on not telling whatever he knew about Fischer's illness, even if he had to lie. (Not saying he did.) It just wasn't his place, and would have been a breach of confidence. |
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Mar-08-09
| | chancho: It's worth reposting this post by
<AnalyzeThis>:
<hackmate: I only said there are 4 things that defy explanation if Fischer was not involved. > Actually, there are explanations.
< A. Explain how on Jan 1 2008 the eBay girl knew Fischer was about to die, when nobody else in the world was predicting Bobby's death. > Ed Trice posted on these pages on November 9, 2007 a message that indicated knowledge of Fischer's serious kidney problems. <B. Explain how a girl from eBay knew that 14.… Nxd5? 15. Bxg7 Kxg7 16. exd5 Bd7 17. Rde1 was never played by Korchnoi and Suetin in 1953, and how she knew that only Larry Evans knew the answer to how it made its way into My 60 Memorable Games in 1969. > The forger knew from OMGP that the game was never played, and researched old MCO's to find Evans's notes. Then he put two and two together. Later, he told the girl what to say. < C. If this was a put on, explain why the girl from eBay even needed to ask the question, since you insist she didn't know Fischer was dying, and she wasn't being asked through Bobby to contact Larry Evans on his deathbed. > The girl knew Fischer was dying because the forger told her. < D. Explain why the eBay girl said to Evans "YOU WERE MUCH MORE THAN JEDEDIAH, MY FRIEND", a very cryptic quote which Evans recognized and understood. Evans went on to explain what this meant in the original article. > It's not that cryptic. The quote came from an interview that Evans gave in 2004 and was publicly available on the internet. All that was necessary was for the forger to have the ability to read and tell the girl. <IMlday: "Running a really complex scam while giving away the end product doesn't seem to make sense to me."> The best of any given scheme or scam can go awry at any given moment. We are only human afer all. If this were not so, scammers would get away with it every time. |
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| Mar-09-09 | | Riverbeast: I'm sorry you found my questions hostile, but it seems like you're looking for reasons to explain the books authenticity, instead of being objective...Which is your duty as a journalist. In one post, you say the text was riddled with typos and grammatical errors, in another you say it must be Fischer because it's 'too good.' Dr. Frank Brady said Ed Trice approached him about marketing this book....Who approached you, Mr. Day? If the book is real, there shouldn't be any reason not to answer that Or did you actually know who sent it to you?
I find your explanations strange and lacking in substance...Like the Pillsbury Dough Boy, you reach in and try to grab a hold but it just keeps squeezing around your fingers |
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| Mar-09-09 | | blacksburg: <In 1968 I again began probing the depths of the variations springing forth from 19. Nf5 and eventually I filled pages and pages with notes.> anyone who has read the original 60MG should immediately notice the obvious difference between Fischer's language and Trice language. "probing the depths"? "variations springing forth"? this is not fischer. is it a coincidence that the 61MG annotations sound nothing like the 60MG annotations, but sound exactly like ed trice's posts on this website? |
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| Mar-09-09 | | hackmate: Larry Evans wrote more of My 60 Memorable Games than most people realize. He made many mistakes. He said that Fischer had only 2 draws "out of 6 times at bat" against Tal, when really Fischer had 3 draws out of 7 at the time. Clearly Fischer knew his own record, especially against a rival like Tal. 4 of Fischer's losses against Tal were from the Candidate Match. There's no way Fischer forgot he drew Tal 3 more times. Evans wrote it up real quick and inserted it in the 1969 book. The 1969 book is more like "Fischer abridged". He did not have the permission of the publisher to say whatever he wanted. Chess books sold few copies and the page count had to be considered. The 2007 book is Fischer "telling it all" exactly as he wanted, because he could get away with it. The 2007 book is real. It's got more of Fischer than the 1969 book. This is obvious. |
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| Mar-09-09 | | hackmate: <chanco - How did he come to know about it before anyone else here? Maybe he got wind of Fischer's severe kidney trouble when the story broke out in Iceland> The story broke in a Spanish newspaper late in the second week of November. Not a word came out of Iceland. Your "maybe" was wrong.
How about this for a "maybe" -
Maybe when Trice was in Iceland to meet Fischer, just like he said in the video, that he learned of his illness. The video talks about "an undisclosed project" and the timing of it is perfect. |
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| Mar-09-09 | | blacksburg: <The 2007 book is real. It's got more of Fischer than the 1969 book. This is obvious.> The 2007 book is <fake>. It's got more of <Ed Trice> than the 1969 book. This is <OBVIOUS>. fix'd.
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Mar-09-09
| | chancho: <hackmate> For someone who claims he is from a poor African country called "Burkina Faso" you sure know a lot about Trice and his book. You spend your time promoting it on different forums, you say it's real like if you have a vested interest in it. And you claim that you are a pilot. Yeah, you pilot a plane full of BS. Why don't you comment on the craiglist debacle where that fake Fischer photo was exposed?
Why don't you explain why you went apesh*t when I said that Joshka was a good guy and yet he turned on Labate when he received that fake book? A guy you never met, who has not done anything to you, and yet you spewed all that venom. Do you honestly think people here really believe your BS?
They know who you really are. |
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| Mar-09-09 | | Jim Bartle: "The 2007 book is real. It's got more of Fischer than the 1969 book. This is obvious." More does not necessarily mean better. |
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| Mar-09-09 | | GeauxCool: <Ed Trice> should quit playing in the chatrooms and sell the rights to the people producing the Bobby movie. |
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Mar-10-09
| | chancho: <The story broke in a Spanish newspaper late in the second week of November. Not a word came out of Iceland.> When you mean "spanish newspaper" you are saying the story broke first in Spain? Not the country of origin?
That's like hearing about Obama getting shot in California and Australia breaks the story before the rest of the USA knows about it. The very idea sounds preposterous to say the least. |
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| Mar-10-09 | | FHBradley: Who on earth is <Ed Trice>? |
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Mar-10-09
| | chancho: From one of the most respected kibitzers here:
Jul-12-06
Robert James Fischer
<ughaibu: Gothic chess is a derivative of Capablanca chess, which in turn was derived from Bird's chess. Gothic chess's "inventor" hinted, last year, that he was playing with Fischer by e-mail. I consider the inventor, Ed Trice, a highly dubious source and dont believe it for a minute. If proof is forthcoming, fine. I also find the idea that someone would pay 20,000 to talk to Fischer unbelievable, given Fischer's record this would be paying for the disappointment of seeing him refuse. People aren't that naive, after 35 years they get the picture.> |
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| Mar-10-09 | | sharro: <hackmate: The 1969 book is more like "Fischer abridged". He did not have the permission of the publisher to say whatever he wanted. > where do you get that from? even if its true, were not talking about the book content. you cant hide the writing style , which is obviously in the style of hackTrice |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Jim Bartle: It's perfectly reasonable for a publisher to set a limit--or a minimum--for the author concerning the number of pages. In "Nunn's Best Games" he apologizes for the absence of an index, saying he had a page limit and an index wouldn't fit in. |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Petrosianic: <IMlday> <I got up yesterday and my mail box was full. When I checked out cg there was Riverbeast's post with six hostile questions. It wasn't quite as rude as Emperor Valerian's minions grilling San Lorenzo for their grail quest,> He's one of Fischer's Acolytes, sworn to lay down his life and credibility for Bobby without question. I expect him to explode in a crowded marketplace some day. That being said, I don't believe the book is genuine either, though it's not a life and death issue for me. I admit a possibility of error, after all, I once didn't think The Dark Tower was genuine C.S. Lewis, and now it seems it is. If the same kind of evidence turns up in support of 61MG, I might change my mind. But I'm not holding my breath. <but nevertheless I was tempted to respond in Latin: Assum est inquit versa et manduca. Then I remembered I don't speak Latin> The only phrase I know is "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabris, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." ("I have a catapult. Unless you give me all of your money, I will fling an enormous rock at your head.") It's gotten me out of many a scrape. <so I went down to the river to discuss it with the ducks. They don't speak Latin either> No, but I hear the pigs do. And the pidgens speak English, oddly enough. |
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Mar-10-09
| | chancho: <Fischer stayed in an apartment in the same building as his closest friend and spokesman, Garðar (Gardar) Sverrisson, whose wife Krisín happens to be a nurse and looked after the terminally ill patient. Gardar's two children, especially his son, were very close to Bobby. They were his only close friends and contacts during the last two years of his life.> http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
If good ol Gardar would verify that Fischer was writting the book and that he met Trice, it would put the matter to rest, but like <Petrosianic> said: But I'm not holding my breath. |
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| Mar-10-09 | | Riverbeast: <Petrosianic> I told you never to mention my name again...I let the first one go...If you do it again, I'll expose you in another lie ('Riverbeast never asked me not to use a computer, because he thought I was too honest') just like I exposed the first ('Riverbeast backed down after I asked him for an apology') Frankly, I'm getting tired of slapping you around, and I would think you would get tired of it too...So stop chasing me (Would someone please cut and paste this for <Petrosianic>'s benefit, so he can't claim not to have read it) |
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