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Dec-12-05
 | | paulalbert: <KingG>My first thought is Akiba Rubinstein, since I just read the article in New in Chess about Rubinstein's anti-Meran variation, an early Ne5. The preface to the discussion points out the numerous opening variations with Rubinstein's name attached.
I wholly agree with your point that Mark Taimanov deserves to be known for more than the 6-0 loss to Fischer. He was a very talented GM, as well as being a virtuoso concert pianist.
I like your game collections.
Paul Albert |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: Nimzowich. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: One of the lines in the Open Ruy is known as the Tarrasch defense. And then of course there is the Tarrasch French and QGD. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: Chigorin also has two different lines in the closed Ruy named after him plus his defense to the QG. |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: Smyslov. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: Steinitz has a line in the caro-kann, the Petrov, and the Ruy. But your point is more accurate if you talk about modern players. |
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Dec-12-05 | | square dance: steinitz has a line in the french too. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: Botvinnik has a line in the caro-kann, the nimzo, and the dutch. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: Alekhine has a defense, Catalan and QGA. |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: Alekhine... and French (Alekhine-Chatard attack) |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: Nimzo-Larsen, Larsen-Bronstein, and ....? |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: Bronstein, Larsen, Richter, and Keres too. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: <Gypsy> Richter-Rauzer (Bronstein variation) - B61. |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: http://www.answers.com/topic/list-o... |
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Dec-12-05 | | KingG: Yeah, i forgot about Botvinnik and Tarrasch. |
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Dec-12-05
 | | keypusher: OK, a super-GM can invent stuff (or have it named after him anyway). How about a really lousy player with three lines named after him (lines in openings like 1 f3, 1 a4 etc. don't count)? Caro and Kann have a whole defense named for them -- that's pretty good. But who is the Chatard in Alekhine-Chatard? Who was Snyder (1 e4 c5 2 b3)? Finally, is the Moller Attack in decay? |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: But I think your point is a good one. The Tarrasch defense isn't all that common in the QG and the Ruy. Botvinnik's Dutch isn't played all that often. On the other hand Taimanov's variation in the Grunfeld is considered practically a refutation. And his lines in the Sicilian and KI are still played quite frequently. |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: Who would be the most significant pathbreakers in the opening theory? Definitely these 20 names: Morphy
Paulsen
Steinitz
Tarrasch
Chigorin
Rubinstein
Nimzovich
Breyer
Reti
Alekhine
Gruenfeld
Saemish
Botvinnik
Keres
Boleslavsky
Bronstein
Smyslov
Larsen
Miles
Kasparov
And I go back and forth on Petrov, Alapin, Pillsbury, Lasker, Capablanca, Tartakover, Bogolubov, Najdorf, Tajmanov, Gligoric, Spassky, Ujtelky, Ufimcev, Portish, Polugaevsky, Benko, Fischer, Karpov, ... Btw, who is credited with the invention of the Sicilian hedgehog? |
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Dec-12-05
 | | keypusher: <Btw, who is credited with the invention of the Sicilian hedgehog?> I don't know if any single individual gets credit -- kind of like Bronstein, Geller et al. with the modern King's Indian. Anyway, Suba, Adorjan, Andersson are the names you tend to hear associated with the development of the hedgehog. See the discussion on Suba's page. Mihai Suba |
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Dec-12-05 | | who: <Gypsy> why are Boleslavsky and Smyslov on your definite list? |
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Dec-12-05 | | KingG: <Gypsy> I can't beleive that after what has just been said, that you left out Taimanov from your original list. You put Miles ahead of Taimanov, Fischer(!) and Polugaevsky? |
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Dec-12-05 | | KingG: By the way, here a couple of games where Polugaevsky introduced some important opening ideas. Zagorovsky vs Polugaevsky, 1959 (Polugaevsky variation of the Najdorf) Polugaevsky vs Korchnoi, 1988 (New way of playing the Gruenfeld exchange) |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: <who: ... why are Boleslavsky and Smyslov on your definite list?> Smyslov has many, many lines do his credit. As for Boleslavsky: people in the West do not quite realize the impact of this guy on the opening theory. King Indian and e5-Sicilians are just the most known examples. But as the head trainer of Sbornaya, many of his inventions came out trough other players, eg, Petrosian. Just a random example : few people know that the modern treatment of Fischer-Sozin Sicilian was given life by ... Boleslavsky. |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: <kind of like Bronstein, Geller et al. with the modern King's Indian.> Bronstein and Boleslavsky are considered the fathers of modern KID. But Geller (I spaced out about him), Gligoric (Mar del Plata), ... were part of that great generation. |
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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: <KingG: <Gypsy> I can't beleive that after what has just been said, that you left out Taimanov from your original list. ... > Oh I chiefly wanted to open this debate. The definite list was quick and dirty, and it realy depended on the immediate angle of view : That is why Miles (Modern English 1.d4 e6 2.c4 b6 ... ) made it, and Tajmanov (does he realy stand above such as Gligo, Najdorf, Polu...?) did not. But I can be convinced otherwise. Also, realize that most of the opening manuals I still have lying around here are in Russian or Czech and that many date to 50's and that in those books variations have different names and/or history of invention. (Btw, maybe we should not leave Marshall completely out?) |
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